Hi all!
I have posted once or twice on the forum so far but still pretty much consider myself a lurker and newbie, love this place and the people here...such a wealth of information and caring community.
My post is just something simple I have been thinking about and "googling" hasn't really enlightened me any so here goes!
After reading various forums and also posts/threads on here I educated myself about Kratom, I am dependent (not addicted, dependent as in "to get by day to day due to pain") on several different pain medications (generally opiate based, only DHC though and similar though, refused tramadol due to SSNI (SSRI like somewhat) addition, I want paint relief only, no mood changers or happy pills) for my condition (MS) which although do help pain levels (and also provide a nice buzz, lets be real here, the buzz is enjoyable) have some nasty side effects (constipation, sweats etc) and Kratom has provided me with all the same benefits as the opiates without the liver damage (had levels checked) and also available at a very reasonable cost.
There are also various strains available which vary in effect slightly and it is easier to target specific problems with specific pain (I find "Bali" and "Red Vein Sumatra" two of the best types for pain relief and relief from insomnia, I am so in love with this plant but am sure to be strict on my daily dosage and never falter from it to ensure continued relief and results from this wonderful plant).
Now I am lucky enough to have RRMS (Relapsing & Remitting MS) rather than progressive, so I thank my lucky stars for that as I am not on the opiates all the time as they are not always needed which has the bonus of tolerance never really developing to a bad point and I also have Diazepam for the muscle related issues MS provides so I can go between these two medicines also to get relief without ever really ballsing up mp tolerance for either.
Sorry for the waffle, I'm afflicted with it, my main point for this post was a simple question about Kratom and other substances currently legal in the UK (this is more geared towards ethnobotanical and more natural substances rather then "research chemicals" which are likely to at some point become legislated and part of the medical system as such).
Currently it is legal in the UK to buy and consume Mitragyna speciosa (Kratom) and a few other select substances, what would happen if I was to buy a large quantity of this (price drops exponentially upon higher volume order) like a Kilo or so to do a few months and a month or so down the line the substance becomes legislated and criminalized for possession and/or consumption? Given it was bought and stored at a time where it was legal would you still be shat upon from a great height by the legal system if you were caught in possession of it? Would a court/police take into account the fact that it was purchased legally or would this make no difference at all?
I realize common sense would say it makes no difference when you got it or the circumstances, if it is illegal at the time you are caught then you would be treated in the same way as being caught with any other "drug" in the same legal class however I was just wondering if anyone has any experiences with things like this or if they know of any legal precedents set in relation to this?
Apologies for the novel however this is simply how I am, I always end up writing a book to get my point across, I like to make sure I am understood correctly so feel a need to go into huge details, sorry if this bothers anybody however I have always found it the best way to get the right types of replies to a question.
Thanks all, and thank you to the creators of this site, you have no idea how much it has helped me through my journey of recreational drug taking and also in gaining a better understanding of my required medical drug use.
Much Love
EDIT: TL;DR - Does the changing of legality of a substance fuck you over if you have a large quantity in supply from when it was legal and get caught with it.
I have posted once or twice on the forum so far but still pretty much consider myself a lurker and newbie, love this place and the people here...such a wealth of information and caring community.
My post is just something simple I have been thinking about and "googling" hasn't really enlightened me any so here goes!
After reading various forums and also posts/threads on here I educated myself about Kratom, I am dependent (not addicted, dependent as in "to get by day to day due to pain") on several different pain medications (generally opiate based, only DHC though and similar though, refused tramadol due to SSNI (SSRI like somewhat) addition, I want paint relief only, no mood changers or happy pills) for my condition (MS) which although do help pain levels (and also provide a nice buzz, lets be real here, the buzz is enjoyable) have some nasty side effects (constipation, sweats etc) and Kratom has provided me with all the same benefits as the opiates without the liver damage (had levels checked) and also available at a very reasonable cost.
There are also various strains available which vary in effect slightly and it is easier to target specific problems with specific pain (I find "Bali" and "Red Vein Sumatra" two of the best types for pain relief and relief from insomnia, I am so in love with this plant but am sure to be strict on my daily dosage and never falter from it to ensure continued relief and results from this wonderful plant).
Now I am lucky enough to have RRMS (Relapsing & Remitting MS) rather than progressive, so I thank my lucky stars for that as I am not on the opiates all the time as they are not always needed which has the bonus of tolerance never really developing to a bad point and I also have Diazepam for the muscle related issues MS provides so I can go between these two medicines also to get relief without ever really ballsing up mp tolerance for either.
Sorry for the waffle, I'm afflicted with it, my main point for this post was a simple question about Kratom and other substances currently legal in the UK (this is more geared towards ethnobotanical and more natural substances rather then "research chemicals" which are likely to at some point become legislated and part of the medical system as such).
Currently it is legal in the UK to buy and consume Mitragyna speciosa (Kratom) and a few other select substances, what would happen if I was to buy a large quantity of this (price drops exponentially upon higher volume order) like a Kilo or so to do a few months and a month or so down the line the substance becomes legislated and criminalized for possession and/or consumption? Given it was bought and stored at a time where it was legal would you still be shat upon from a great height by the legal system if you were caught in possession of it? Would a court/police take into account the fact that it was purchased legally or would this make no difference at all?
I realize common sense would say it makes no difference when you got it or the circumstances, if it is illegal at the time you are caught then you would be treated in the same way as being caught with any other "drug" in the same legal class however I was just wondering if anyone has any experiences with things like this or if they know of any legal precedents set in relation to this?
Apologies for the novel however this is simply how I am, I always end up writing a book to get my point across, I like to make sure I am understood correctly so feel a need to go into huge details, sorry if this bothers anybody however I have always found it the best way to get the right types of replies to a question.
Thanks all, and thank you to the creators of this site, you have no idea how much it has helped me through my journey of recreational drug taking and also in gaining a better understanding of my required medical drug use.
Much Love
EDIT: TL;DR - Does the changing of legality of a substance fuck you over if you have a large quantity in supply from when it was legal and get caught with it.
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