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CEPS Meme and Satire Megathread v2019
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It's kinda crazy how obsessed republicans are with AOC. Crazy...scary...sad...some combination of the three.
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Retired Never Was, Coulda been wannabe
I f'n hate watching a meme thread get dragged into discussion. But I can't let you sit there and be wrong.
Reagan Preferred an open border, believing we could have free passage with Mexico and Canada, offering the Mexican population safety from the unemployment in their own country. However, he also had this in recognition of there being an issue of too many undocumented immigrants.
Not that I can see. I suppose this issue magically disappeared during his term.
During Bush Jr's term:
Clinton's terms included:
During Obama's Presidency:
Now, my math may be a bit off, but that's roughly a metric fuckton and a half of actions by Obama alone to try and address all the illegal immigrants, no? Oh, did you catch where he tried the wall? Or added drones and a lot more border agents? Hey, he even sent the National Guard down there! Did you get where he wanted, repeatedly, to create a 'rigorous' path to citizenship...you know, not free for all but actually come into America properly and earn citizenship? All things Trump is speaking about?
Other than Bush Sr's magical time in office, it appears Presidents since the 80's have been dealing with the flow of illegal immigrants. Call it a crisis or an issue or whatever - changing the term (Emergency!) doesn't change the reality it has been a long standing problem without a proper solution. And in looking at what I've provided, I have even less expectation that whatever Trump does will resolve it, because it's more of the same.
So, given your central lack of facts, what's the value in challenging a meme like this? If, that is, we're still not letting memes go at face value with a tenuous grasp on facts in an effort for a haha.
Reagan Preferred an open border, believing we could have free passage with Mexico and Canada, offering the Mexican population safety from the unemployment in their own country. However, he also had this in recognition of there being an issue of too many undocumented immigrants.
1986 IRCA: amnesty in exchange for tough border & penalties
Rising levels of illegal immigration [led to] the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA). It provided amnesty for 3 million illegal immigrants, in return for increased border security and penalties for companies "knowingly" hiring illegal immigrants. Aside from creating the H-2A visa for seasonal employment, IRCA failed to create new avenues for legal immigration. The combination of amnesty and inadequate avenues for legal immigration exacerbated the problem of illegal immigration.
Rising levels of illegal immigration [led to] the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA). It provided amnesty for 3 million illegal immigrants, in return for increased border security and penalties for companies "knowingly" hiring illegal immigrants. Aside from creating the H-2A visa for seasonal employment, IRCA failed to create new avenues for legal immigration. The combination of amnesty and inadequate avenues for legal immigration exacerbated the problem of illegal immigration.
Not that I can see. I suppose this issue magically disappeared during his term.
During Bush Jr's term:
We're a nation of immigrants, but also a nation of laws
In 2006, I gave the first-ever primetime presidential address on immigration. "We're a nation of laws, and we must enforce our laws," I said. "We're also a nation of immigrants, and we must uphold that tradition, which has strengthened our country in so many ways." I then laid out a five-part plan to reform the immigration system:
A major new investment in border security, including doubling the Border Patrol by the end of 2008 and temporarily deploy 6000 National Guard troops
The temporary worker program, which would include a tamper-proof identification card
Stricter immigration enforcement at businesses, which would reduce exploitation and help slow demand for illegal workers
Promote assimilation by requiring immigrants to learn English
What to do with the approximately twelve million illegal immigrants in the country? [I outlined] a rational middle ground between granting an automatic path to citizenship for every illegal immigrant and a program of mass deportation.
Source: Decision Points, by Pres. George W. Bush, p.303-304 , Nov 9, 2010
Ended "catch-and-release" policy
Bush ended "catch and release," the practice of picking up illegal aliens from countries other than Mexico and then releasing them on their own recognizance until their deportation hearing, for which most never showed. Bush thought it encouraged contempt for law. So he expanded the facilities to hold these illegals until deportation hearings. In 2000, it took nearly a hundred days on average to process someone out of the country. When Bush left office, it took less than twenty.
Source: Courage and Consequence, by Karl Rove, p.468 , Mar 9, 2010
Deploy border fence; end ?catch and release?
America needs to secure our borders--and with your help, my administration is taking steps to do so. We?re increasing worksite enforcement, deploying fences and advanced technologies to stop illegal crossings. We?ve effectively ended the policy of ?catch and release? at the border, and by the end of this year, we will have doubled the number of border patrol agents. Yet we also need to acknowledge that we will never fully secure our border until we create a lawful way for foreign workers to come here and support our economy. This will take pressure off the border and allow law enforcement to concentrate on those who mean us harm. We must also find a sensible and humane way to deal with people here illegally. Illegal immigration is complicated, but it can be resolved. And it must be resolved in a way that upholds both our laws and our highest ideals.
2005: Catch-and-release is an unwise policy & we'll end it
"This practice of catch and release has been the government's policy for decades," said Bush. "It is an unwise policy and we're going to end it."
In the 3rd year following 9/11, 160,000 border crashers from nations all over the world were turned loose into our society and only 1 in 5 turned up in court.
Bush conceded that our government and laws have been frozen in a pre-9/11 world: "Under current law, the federal government is required to release people caught crossing our border illegally if their home countries do not take them back in a set period of time. Those we were forced to release have included murderers, rapists, child molesters, and other violent criminals."
"This undermines our border security" and the work "these good folks" of the Border Patrol are doing, added the president.
Source: State of Emergency, by Pat Buchanan, p. 14-5 , Oct 2, 2007
Dealing with immigration requires guest worker program
After 5 years of ignoring the border, President Bush declared in Tucson, "we will not be able to effectively enforce our immigration laws until we create a temporary worker program." This is naked extortion.
The president was saying he cannot do his constitutional duty to protect the country from invasion unless we first agree not to deport the 12 million invaders already here.
President Bush needs to be told politely but pointedly, "No deal, Mr. President! No amnesty!" His guest worker program is a scheme that means open borders forever. Though President Bush may declare, "I oppose amnesty!" every time he speaks, his guest worker program is amnesty, both for the illegals and for the businesses that hired them.
Source: State of Emergency, by Pat Buchanan, p.252 , Oct 2, 2007
Massive deportation is unrealistic
"Massive deportation of the people here is unrealistic. It's just not going to work," an embattled President Bush railed in Irvine, CA. "You can hear people out there [demonstrators] hollering it's going to work. It's not going to work." John McCain repeatedly demands that opponents of his McCain-Kennedy bill explain how they propose to remove 12 million illegal aliens from the US.
Bush is attacking a straw man. We do not need to create a Gestapo or send federal agents to round up and deport nannies or gardeners. And the answer to McCain may be summed up in a single word: attrition. Vigorous enforcement of US laws will persuade millions to go home. If they cannot find jobs, if they are denied welfare, food stamps, and rent supplements, if their children are not all educated for free after they break in, they will not come, and many will go home, as earlier immigrants went home who did not find what they sought here.
Source: State of Emergency, by Pat Buchanan, p.268-9 , Oct 2, 2007
Take pressure off border with guest worker program
Extending hope and opportunity in our country requires an immigration system worthy of America--with laws that are fair and borders that are secure. When laws and borders are routinely violated, this harms the interests of our country. To secure our border, we are doubling the size of the Border Patrol--and funding new infrastructure and technology.
Yet even with all these steps, we cannot fully secure the border unless we take pressure off the border--and that requires a temporary worker program. We should establish a legal and orderly path for foreign workers to enter our country to work on a temporary basis. As a result, they won?t have to try to sneak in.
We will enforce our immigration laws at the work site, and give employers the tools to verify the legal status of their workers--so there is no excuse left for violating the law. We need to resolve the status of the illegal immigrants who are already in our country--without animosity and without amnesty.
Source: 2007 State of the Union address to Congress , Jan 23, 2007
Minuteman Project are vigilantes
The planned Minuteman Project in Arizona first came to my attention in Dec. 2004, and like many Americans I had some doubts about it. What if some "crazies" infiltrated the group and shot some unarmed immigrant? I decided to keep an eye on the project and to ask lots of questions before endorsing it or participating.
The more I learned about their plans and preparation, the more impressed I was. What struck me was not only the ambition and vision of the two founders, but the immense outpouring of patriotism by 1,000 volunteers. The other astonishing thing was the reaction of officialdom to this emerging civilian defense force, which came into existence only because the government failed to do its job.
More astonishing still was the reaction of Pres. Bush, who called the Minutemen "vigilantes" in March 2006. The Minutemen patriots would not need to devote their time & energies to this task if the president gave the Border Patrol the resources and the mandate to actually accomplish its mission.
In 2006, I gave the first-ever primetime presidential address on immigration. "We're a nation of laws, and we must enforce our laws," I said. "We're also a nation of immigrants, and we must uphold that tradition, which has strengthened our country in so many ways." I then laid out a five-part plan to reform the immigration system:
A major new investment in border security, including doubling the Border Patrol by the end of 2008 and temporarily deploy 6000 National Guard troops
The temporary worker program, which would include a tamper-proof identification card
Stricter immigration enforcement at businesses, which would reduce exploitation and help slow demand for illegal workers
Promote assimilation by requiring immigrants to learn English
What to do with the approximately twelve million illegal immigrants in the country? [I outlined] a rational middle ground between granting an automatic path to citizenship for every illegal immigrant and a program of mass deportation.
Source: Decision Points, by Pres. George W. Bush, p.303-304 , Nov 9, 2010
Ended "catch-and-release" policy
Bush ended "catch and release," the practice of picking up illegal aliens from countries other than Mexico and then releasing them on their own recognizance until their deportation hearing, for which most never showed. Bush thought it encouraged contempt for law. So he expanded the facilities to hold these illegals until deportation hearings. In 2000, it took nearly a hundred days on average to process someone out of the country. When Bush left office, it took less than twenty.
Source: Courage and Consequence, by Karl Rove, p.468 , Mar 9, 2010
Deploy border fence; end ?catch and release?
America needs to secure our borders--and with your help, my administration is taking steps to do so. We?re increasing worksite enforcement, deploying fences and advanced technologies to stop illegal crossings. We?ve effectively ended the policy of ?catch and release? at the border, and by the end of this year, we will have doubled the number of border patrol agents. Yet we also need to acknowledge that we will never fully secure our border until we create a lawful way for foreign workers to come here and support our economy. This will take pressure off the border and allow law enforcement to concentrate on those who mean us harm. We must also find a sensible and humane way to deal with people here illegally. Illegal immigration is complicated, but it can be resolved. And it must be resolved in a way that upholds both our laws and our highest ideals.
2005: Catch-and-release is an unwise policy & we'll end it
"This practice of catch and release has been the government's policy for decades," said Bush. "It is an unwise policy and we're going to end it."
In the 3rd year following 9/11, 160,000 border crashers from nations all over the world were turned loose into our society and only 1 in 5 turned up in court.
Bush conceded that our government and laws have been frozen in a pre-9/11 world: "Under current law, the federal government is required to release people caught crossing our border illegally if their home countries do not take them back in a set period of time. Those we were forced to release have included murderers, rapists, child molesters, and other violent criminals."
"This undermines our border security" and the work "these good folks" of the Border Patrol are doing, added the president.
Source: State of Emergency, by Pat Buchanan, p. 14-5 , Oct 2, 2007
Dealing with immigration requires guest worker program
After 5 years of ignoring the border, President Bush declared in Tucson, "we will not be able to effectively enforce our immigration laws until we create a temporary worker program." This is naked extortion.
The president was saying he cannot do his constitutional duty to protect the country from invasion unless we first agree not to deport the 12 million invaders already here.
President Bush needs to be told politely but pointedly, "No deal, Mr. President! No amnesty!" His guest worker program is a scheme that means open borders forever. Though President Bush may declare, "I oppose amnesty!" every time he speaks, his guest worker program is amnesty, both for the illegals and for the businesses that hired them.
Source: State of Emergency, by Pat Buchanan, p.252 , Oct 2, 2007
Massive deportation is unrealistic
"Massive deportation of the people here is unrealistic. It's just not going to work," an embattled President Bush railed in Irvine, CA. "You can hear people out there [demonstrators] hollering it's going to work. It's not going to work." John McCain repeatedly demands that opponents of his McCain-Kennedy bill explain how they propose to remove 12 million illegal aliens from the US.
Bush is attacking a straw man. We do not need to create a Gestapo or send federal agents to round up and deport nannies or gardeners. And the answer to McCain may be summed up in a single word: attrition. Vigorous enforcement of US laws will persuade millions to go home. If they cannot find jobs, if they are denied welfare, food stamps, and rent supplements, if their children are not all educated for free after they break in, they will not come, and many will go home, as earlier immigrants went home who did not find what they sought here.
Source: State of Emergency, by Pat Buchanan, p.268-9 , Oct 2, 2007
Take pressure off border with guest worker program
Extending hope and opportunity in our country requires an immigration system worthy of America--with laws that are fair and borders that are secure. When laws and borders are routinely violated, this harms the interests of our country. To secure our border, we are doubling the size of the Border Patrol--and funding new infrastructure and technology.
Yet even with all these steps, we cannot fully secure the border unless we take pressure off the border--and that requires a temporary worker program. We should establish a legal and orderly path for foreign workers to enter our country to work on a temporary basis. As a result, they won?t have to try to sneak in.
We will enforce our immigration laws at the work site, and give employers the tools to verify the legal status of their workers--so there is no excuse left for violating the law. We need to resolve the status of the illegal immigrants who are already in our country--without animosity and without amnesty.
Source: 2007 State of the Union address to Congress , Jan 23, 2007
Minuteman Project are vigilantes
The planned Minuteman Project in Arizona first came to my attention in Dec. 2004, and like many Americans I had some doubts about it. What if some "crazies" infiltrated the group and shot some unarmed immigrant? I decided to keep an eye on the project and to ask lots of questions before endorsing it or participating.
The more I learned about their plans and preparation, the more impressed I was. What struck me was not only the ambition and vision of the two founders, but the immense outpouring of patriotism by 1,000 volunteers. The other astonishing thing was the reaction of officialdom to this emerging civilian defense force, which came into existence only because the government failed to do its job.
More astonishing still was the reaction of Pres. Bush, who called the Minutemen "vigilantes" in March 2006. The Minutemen patriots would not need to devote their time & energies to this task if the president gave the Border Patrol the resources and the mandate to actually accomplish its mission.
Clinton's terms included:
700 new Border Patrol agents; increased penalties on aliens
The Clinton Administration sent a legislative proposal to Congress in 1995 to strengthen the country's strategy for combating illegal immigration. This proposed legislation provides for:
No fewer than 700 new Border Patrol agents.
An Employment Verification Pilot Program to determine the most effective means of removing a significant incentive to illegal immigration: employment in the US.
Increased penalties for alien smuggling, illegal reentry, failure to depart, employer violations, and immigration document fraud.
Streamlined deportation procedures so that criminal aliens can be more expeditiously removed from the US.
Source: State of the Union, by T.Blood & B.Henderson, p. 44 , Aug 1, 1996
Strict enforcement against illegal immigration
We must not tolerate illegal immigration. Since 1992, we have increased our Border Patrol by over 35%; deployed underground sensors, infrared night scopes and encrypted radios; built miles of new fences; and installed massive amounts of new lighting. We have moved forcefully to protect American jobs by calling on Congress to enact increased civil and criminal sanctions against employers who hire illegal workers. Since 1993, we have removed 30,000 illegal workers from jobs across the country.
The Clinton Administration sent a legislative proposal to Congress in 1995 to strengthen the country's strategy for combating illegal immigration. This proposed legislation provides for:
No fewer than 700 new Border Patrol agents.
An Employment Verification Pilot Program to determine the most effective means of removing a significant incentive to illegal immigration: employment in the US.
Increased penalties for alien smuggling, illegal reentry, failure to depart, employer violations, and immigration document fraud.
Streamlined deportation procedures so that criminal aliens can be more expeditiously removed from the US.
Source: State of the Union, by T.Blood & B.Henderson, p. 44 , Aug 1, 1996
Strict enforcement against illegal immigration
We must not tolerate illegal immigration. Since 1992, we have increased our Border Patrol by over 35%; deployed underground sensors, infrared night scopes and encrypted radios; built miles of new fences; and installed massive amounts of new lighting. We have moved forcefully to protect American jobs by calling on Congress to enact increased civil and criminal sanctions against employers who hire illegal workers. Since 1993, we have removed 30,000 illegal workers from jobs across the country.
During Obama's Presidency:
Common sense executive action: Deport felons, not families
The President's Immigration Accountability Executive Actions will help secure the border, hold nearly 5 million undocumented immigrants accountable, and ensure that everyone plays by the same rules. These executive actions crack down on illegal immigration at the border, prioritize deporting felons not families, and require certain undocumented immigrants to pass a criminal background check and pay their fair share of taxes as they register to temporarily stay in the U.S. without fear of deportation. These are common sense steps, but only Congress can finish the job. The President will continue to work with Congress on a comprehensive, bipartisan bill--like the one passed by the Senate more than a year ago--that can replace these actions and fix the whole system.
Three critical elements of the President's executive actions are:
Cracking Down on Illegal Immigration at the Border
Deporting Felons, Not Families
Accountability--Criminal Background Checks and Taxes
Source: White House press release, "Immigration Accountability" , Nov 20, 2014
Deferred-action: Let under-age illegals remain lawfully
When Pres. Obama issued his deferred-action policy, hundreds of thousands of young people who were brought illegally into the US became eligible to remain lawfully. For the first time those young people were able to take a tenuous step toward the only status many of them have ever known: Americans.
For Dulce Vazquez, 21, and her sister, Bibiana, 19, who were profiled by the "Arizona Republic," [whose parents brought them to the US illegally when they were under-age,] the policy was a dream come true
Source: Immigration Wars, by Jeb Bush, p.156-159 , Mar 5, 2013
Since 2008, deported a record number of illegal immigrants
Obama alienated many Hispanics by breaking his 2008 campaign promise to lead the charge for comprehensive immigration reform and, especially, by deporting a record number of illegal immigrants. But [in 2012] Obama reversed course, announcing his policy to allow young people who were brought here illegally to remain. The policy was enormously popular, and it appeared to demonstrate presidential leadership, energize Hispanic voters, and paint Republicans into a corner from which they could not escape.
Source: Immigration Wars, by Jeb Bush, p.202 , Mar 5, 2013
Comprehensive immigration reform including legal immigration
Our economy is stronger when we harness the talents and ingenuity of striving, hopeful immigrants. And right now, leaders from the business, labor, law enforcement, and faith communities all agree that the time has come to pass comprehensive immigration reform.
Real reform means strong border security, and we can build on the progress my Administration has already made--putting more boots on the southern border than at any time in our history, and reducing illegal crossings to their lowest levels in 40 years.
Real reform means establishing a responsible pathway to earned citizenship--a path that includes passing a background check, paying taxes and a meaningful penalty, learning English, and going to the back of the line behind the folks trying to come here legally.
And real reform means fixing the legal immigration system to cut waiting periods, reduce bureaucracy, and attract the highly-skilled entrepreneurs and engineers that will help create jobs and grow our economy.
Focus deportations on criminals and those without US roots << WAIT! There are criminals in there? When did this happen?
Q: You have been the President who has made the largest number of deportations in history--more than 1.5 million so far. Since you've granted deferred action [for students], would you consider doing something similar to other groups of non-criminal illegal immigrants such as the parents of US-born children?
A: We focus our enforcement on people who genuinely pose a threat to our communities, not to hardworking families who are minding their own business and oftentimes have members of their family who are US citizens. We don't have the capacity to enforce across the board. So more than half of our enforcement now is directed at people with criminal records. Of the remaining half, about 2/3 are people who are apprehended close to the border, so these are not people who have longstanding roots in our community. And what we've tried to do then is focus our attention on real threats, and make sure that families are not the targets.
Sent unmanned aircraft drones to monitor Mexican border
[The Arizona anti-immigration law] SB1070 was scheduled to become law in 16 hours when a district judge finally announced her last-minute ruling on the lawsuit brought by Obama and the Justice Department: Much of the bill was unconstitutional.
Inside the White House, Obama and his aides conceded that they expected a long battle, predicting that the fate of SB1070 might eventually rest with the Supreme Court. What at first had seemed like a hard-earned immigration victory for Obama began to look more like a defeat as summer turned to fall. The president tried to appease both conservatives and liberals with immigration policies that instead satisfied nobody. He sent unmanned aircraft drones to monitor the border and deported record numbers of illegal immigrants. Such attempts to secure the border further enraged Hispanic voters who already felt like Obama had failed them.
Send 1,200 National Guard troops to southern border
President Obama is not trying to do just enough to create the impression of some activity to address border security. He announced that he will send 1,200 National Guard troops to the border, as a temporary measure, until an additional 1,000 Border Patrol agents are on the job. This has generated headlines--and I suppose it is better than the alternative of no additional troops or officers--but it is really a drop in the bucket. Consider that of those 1,200 troops, only 286 were assigned to Texas. The southern border of the United States stretches 1,954 miles, and 1,255 of them are in Texas. We have 60 percent of the border, yet less than 25 percent of the resources were given to Texas to deal with it. In the face of the soaring violence infesting our border communities as a result of the drug trade, this paltry effort is simply inviting more problems.
Source: Fed Up!, by Gov. Rick Perry, p.124 , Nov 15, 2010
Crack down on employers who hire illegal immigrants
Obama wants to remove incentives for illegals to enter the country by cracking down on employers who hire undocumented immigrants. Obama has championed a proposal to create a system so employers can verify that their employees are legally eligible to work in the US.
Obama believes the time to fix our broken immigration system is now. He is in favor of stronger enforcement at the border and at the workplace. He has properly identified the magnitude of the problem, and said that the undocumented population is exploding. Obama recognizes that immigration raids are ineffective, netting only 3,600 arrests in 2006.
Obama's priority is to stop the current wave of illegal immigration into the United States, and then deal compassionately and fairly with the illegal immigrants who re already living here. If the flood of new immigrants can be slowed considerably, Obama believes that those currently living here, over time, can be effectively absorbed into the population and the economy.
Need to look at different aspects of immigration reform
We need stronger border security. We are cracking down on employers that are taking advantage of undocumented workers because they can?t complain if they?re not paid a minimum wage and not getting overtime. Worker safety laws are not being observed. We have to make sure that doesn?t lead to people with Spanish surnames being discriminated against. We have to require that undocumented workers go to the back of the line, so that they are not getting citizenship before those who have applied legally.
Source: 2008 Democratic debate at University of Texas in Austin , Feb 21, 2008
Have border patrolled, surveillance, and deploy technology
Q: Do you think your vote on the border fence or the implementation of it was wrong?
A: The key is to consult with local communities, whether it?s on the commercial interests or the environmental stakes of creating any kind of barrier. The Bush administration is not real good at listening. I will reverse that policy. There may be areas where it makes sense to have some fencing. Having border patrolled, surveillance, deploying effective technology, that?s going to be the better approach.
Source: 2008 Democratic debate at University of Texas in Austin , Feb 21, 2008
Deporting 12 million people is ridiculous and impractical << So, 12m people isn't an issue? Right?
The American people want fairness, want justice. They recognize that the idea that you?re going to deport 12 million people is ridiculous, that we?re not going to be devoting all our law enforcement resources to sending people back. But what they do also want is some order to the process. We?re not going to be able to do these things in isolation. We?re not going to be able to deal with the 12 million people who are living in the shadows and give them a way of getting out of the shadows if we don?t also deal with the problem of this constant influx of undocumented workers. That?s why comprehensive reform is so important. Something that we can do immediately that is very important is to pass the Dream Act, which allows children who through no fault of their own are here but have essentially grown up as Americans, allow them the opportunity for higher education. I do not want two classes of citizens in this country. I want everybody to prosper. That?s going to be a top priority.
Source: 2008 Democratic debate at University of Texas in Austin , Feb 21, 2008
Immigration raids are ineffective
THE PROBLEM
Immigration Bureaucracy is Broken:The immigration bureaucracy is broken and overwhelmed, forcing legal immigrants to wait years for applications.
Immigration Raids are Ineffective: Despite a sevenfold increase in recent years, immigration raids only netted 3,600 arrests in 2006 and have placed all the burdens of a broken system onto immigrant families.
OBAMA?S PLAN
Improve Our Immigration System: We must fix the dysfunctional immigration bureaucracy and increase the number of legal immigrants to keep families together and meet the demand for jobs that employers cannot fill.
Bring People Out of the Shadows: Allow undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, learn English, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens.
Work with Mexico: We need to do more to promote economic development in Mexico to decrease illegal immigration.
Undocumented workers come here to work, not to drive
When I was a state senator in Illinois, I voted to require that illegal aliens get trained, get a license, get insurance to protect public safety. That was my intention. The problem we have here is not driver?s licenses. Undocumented workers do not come here to drive. They?re here to work. Instead of being distracting by what has now become a wedge issue, let?s focus on actually solving the problem that this administration, the Bush administration, had done nothing about it.
Source: 2007 Democratic debate in Las Vegas, Nevada , Nov 15, 2007
Support granting driver?s licenses to illegal immigrants <<< Do we need to point out the hypocrisy of the above statement, or link to where more than one illegal has killed an American in the last year by vehicular homicide? Hmm?
Q: In the absence of comprehensive immigration reform, do you support driver?s licenses for illegal immigrants?
A: Yes. I am going to be fighting for comprehensive immigration reform, and we shouldn?t pose the question that, somehow, we can?t achieve that. The American people desperately want it; that?s what I?m going to be fighting for as president.
Reform must include more border security, and border wall
Q: None of the 9/11 terrorists entered the US through the Mexican border. Why build a wall there in the name of national security? I would like to mention that Senator Obama, Clinton and Dodd voted in favor of the wall.
OBAMA: I have been a consistent champion of comprehensive immigration reform. And keep in mind that my father came to this country from a small village in Africa because he was looking for opportunity. And so when I see people who are coming across these borders, whether legally or illegally, I know that the motivation is trying to create a better life for their children and their grandchildren. So I was one of the leaders, along with several other senators, in passing comprehensive immigration reform. It failed in the House. That is going to involve some elements of border security because we?ve got to make our borders more secure. We can?t just have hundreds of thousands of people coming into the country without knowing who they are.
Source: 2007 Democratic primary debate on Univision in Spanish , Sep 9, 2007
Sanctuary cities show that feds are not enforcing law
Q: Would you allow ?sanctuary cities? to ignore the federal law & provide sanctuary to immigrants?
A: The federal law is not being enforced not because of failures of local communities, but because the federal government has not done the job that it needs to do.
Q: You would allow the sanctuary cities to exist?
A: What I would do as president is pass comprehensive immigration reform. And controlling our borders but also providing a rational immigration system, which we currently don?t have.
Source: 2007 Democratic primary debate at Dartmouth College , Sep 6, 2007
Pathway to citizenship, but people have to earn it
Q: Are you going to create a path to the citizenship for undocumented workers?
A: We have to make sure that employers are held accountable, because right now employers are taking advantage of undocumented workers. And we?ve got to give a pathway to citizenship. But people have to earn it. They?re going to have to pay a fine. They?ve got to make sure that they?re learning English. They?ve got to go to the back of the line so that they?re not rewarded for having broken the law.
Do a better job patrolling the Canadian and Mexican borders
We should certainly do a better job patrolling the borders in Canada. This recent case with the young lawyer who had tuberculosis being waved through by a border guard because, he said, he looked okay is a problem. We?ve got to strengthen our border patrols on both sides. We are a country of immigrants. We?re also a country of laws. And the question is, how do we balance that appropriately? I am hopeful that we can solve this problem constructively.
Source: 2007 Dem. debate at Saint Anselm College , Jun 3, 2007
Give immigrants who are here a rigorous path to citizenship
We want to have a situation in which those who are already here, are playing by the rules, are willing to pay a fine and go through a rigorous process should have a pathway to legalization. Most Americans will support that if they have some sense that the border is also being secured. What they don?t want is a situation in which there is a pathway to legalization and you?ve got another several
The President's Immigration Accountability Executive Actions will help secure the border, hold nearly 5 million undocumented immigrants accountable, and ensure that everyone plays by the same rules. These executive actions crack down on illegal immigration at the border, prioritize deporting felons not families, and require certain undocumented immigrants to pass a criminal background check and pay their fair share of taxes as they register to temporarily stay in the U.S. without fear of deportation. These are common sense steps, but only Congress can finish the job. The President will continue to work with Congress on a comprehensive, bipartisan bill--like the one passed by the Senate more than a year ago--that can replace these actions and fix the whole system.
Three critical elements of the President's executive actions are:
Cracking Down on Illegal Immigration at the Border
Deporting Felons, Not Families
Accountability--Criminal Background Checks and Taxes
Source: White House press release, "Immigration Accountability" , Nov 20, 2014
Deferred-action: Let under-age illegals remain lawfully
When Pres. Obama issued his deferred-action policy, hundreds of thousands of young people who were brought illegally into the US became eligible to remain lawfully. For the first time those young people were able to take a tenuous step toward the only status many of them have ever known: Americans.
For Dulce Vazquez, 21, and her sister, Bibiana, 19, who were profiled by the "Arizona Republic," [whose parents brought them to the US illegally when they were under-age,] the policy was a dream come true
Source: Immigration Wars, by Jeb Bush, p.156-159 , Mar 5, 2013
Since 2008, deported a record number of illegal immigrants
Obama alienated many Hispanics by breaking his 2008 campaign promise to lead the charge for comprehensive immigration reform and, especially, by deporting a record number of illegal immigrants. But [in 2012] Obama reversed course, announcing his policy to allow young people who were brought here illegally to remain. The policy was enormously popular, and it appeared to demonstrate presidential leadership, energize Hispanic voters, and paint Republicans into a corner from which they could not escape.
Source: Immigration Wars, by Jeb Bush, p.202 , Mar 5, 2013
Comprehensive immigration reform including legal immigration
Our economy is stronger when we harness the talents and ingenuity of striving, hopeful immigrants. And right now, leaders from the business, labor, law enforcement, and faith communities all agree that the time has come to pass comprehensive immigration reform.
Real reform means strong border security, and we can build on the progress my Administration has already made--putting more boots on the southern border than at any time in our history, and reducing illegal crossings to their lowest levels in 40 years.
Real reform means establishing a responsible pathway to earned citizenship--a path that includes passing a background check, paying taxes and a meaningful penalty, learning English, and going to the back of the line behind the folks trying to come here legally.
And real reform means fixing the legal immigration system to cut waiting periods, reduce bureaucracy, and attract the highly-skilled entrepreneurs and engineers that will help create jobs and grow our economy.
Focus deportations on criminals and those without US roots << WAIT! There are criminals in there? When did this happen?
Q: You have been the President who has made the largest number of deportations in history--more than 1.5 million so far. Since you've granted deferred action [for students], would you consider doing something similar to other groups of non-criminal illegal immigrants such as the parents of US-born children?
A: We focus our enforcement on people who genuinely pose a threat to our communities, not to hardworking families who are minding their own business and oftentimes have members of their family who are US citizens. We don't have the capacity to enforce across the board. So more than half of our enforcement now is directed at people with criminal records. Of the remaining half, about 2/3 are people who are apprehended close to the border, so these are not people who have longstanding roots in our community. And what we've tried to do then is focus our attention on real threats, and make sure that families are not the targets.
Sent unmanned aircraft drones to monitor Mexican border
[The Arizona anti-immigration law] SB1070 was scheduled to become law in 16 hours when a district judge finally announced her last-minute ruling on the lawsuit brought by Obama and the Justice Department: Much of the bill was unconstitutional.
Inside the White House, Obama and his aides conceded that they expected a long battle, predicting that the fate of SB1070 might eventually rest with the Supreme Court. What at first had seemed like a hard-earned immigration victory for Obama began to look more like a defeat as summer turned to fall. The president tried to appease both conservatives and liberals with immigration policies that instead satisfied nobody. He sent unmanned aircraft drones to monitor the border and deported record numbers of illegal immigrants. Such attempts to secure the border further enraged Hispanic voters who already felt like Obama had failed them.
Send 1,200 National Guard troops to southern border
President Obama is not trying to do just enough to create the impression of some activity to address border security. He announced that he will send 1,200 National Guard troops to the border, as a temporary measure, until an additional 1,000 Border Patrol agents are on the job. This has generated headlines--and I suppose it is better than the alternative of no additional troops or officers--but it is really a drop in the bucket. Consider that of those 1,200 troops, only 286 were assigned to Texas. The southern border of the United States stretches 1,954 miles, and 1,255 of them are in Texas. We have 60 percent of the border, yet less than 25 percent of the resources were given to Texas to deal with it. In the face of the soaring violence infesting our border communities as a result of the drug trade, this paltry effort is simply inviting more problems.
Source: Fed Up!, by Gov. Rick Perry, p.124 , Nov 15, 2010
Crack down on employers who hire illegal immigrants
Obama wants to remove incentives for illegals to enter the country by cracking down on employers who hire undocumented immigrants. Obama has championed a proposal to create a system so employers can verify that their employees are legally eligible to work in the US.
Obama believes the time to fix our broken immigration system is now. He is in favor of stronger enforcement at the border and at the workplace. He has properly identified the magnitude of the problem, and said that the undocumented population is exploding. Obama recognizes that immigration raids are ineffective, netting only 3,600 arrests in 2006.
Obama's priority is to stop the current wave of illegal immigration into the United States, and then deal compassionately and fairly with the illegal immigrants who re already living here. If the flood of new immigrants can be slowed considerably, Obama believes that those currently living here, over time, can be effectively absorbed into the population and the economy.
Need to look at different aspects of immigration reform
We need stronger border security. We are cracking down on employers that are taking advantage of undocumented workers because they can?t complain if they?re not paid a minimum wage and not getting overtime. Worker safety laws are not being observed. We have to make sure that doesn?t lead to people with Spanish surnames being discriminated against. We have to require that undocumented workers go to the back of the line, so that they are not getting citizenship before those who have applied legally.
Source: 2008 Democratic debate at University of Texas in Austin , Feb 21, 2008
Have border patrolled, surveillance, and deploy technology
Q: Do you think your vote on the border fence or the implementation of it was wrong?
A: The key is to consult with local communities, whether it?s on the commercial interests or the environmental stakes of creating any kind of barrier. The Bush administration is not real good at listening. I will reverse that policy. There may be areas where it makes sense to have some fencing. Having border patrolled, surveillance, deploying effective technology, that?s going to be the better approach.
Source: 2008 Democratic debate at University of Texas in Austin , Feb 21, 2008
Deporting 12 million people is ridiculous and impractical << So, 12m people isn't an issue? Right?
The American people want fairness, want justice. They recognize that the idea that you?re going to deport 12 million people is ridiculous, that we?re not going to be devoting all our law enforcement resources to sending people back. But what they do also want is some order to the process. We?re not going to be able to do these things in isolation. We?re not going to be able to deal with the 12 million people who are living in the shadows and give them a way of getting out of the shadows if we don?t also deal with the problem of this constant influx of undocumented workers. That?s why comprehensive reform is so important. Something that we can do immediately that is very important is to pass the Dream Act, which allows children who through no fault of their own are here but have essentially grown up as Americans, allow them the opportunity for higher education. I do not want two classes of citizens in this country. I want everybody to prosper. That?s going to be a top priority.
Source: 2008 Democratic debate at University of Texas in Austin , Feb 21, 2008
Immigration raids are ineffective
THE PROBLEM
Immigration Bureaucracy is Broken:The immigration bureaucracy is broken and overwhelmed, forcing legal immigrants to wait years for applications.
Immigration Raids are Ineffective: Despite a sevenfold increase in recent years, immigration raids only netted 3,600 arrests in 2006 and have placed all the burdens of a broken system onto immigrant families.
OBAMA?S PLAN
Improve Our Immigration System: We must fix the dysfunctional immigration bureaucracy and increase the number of legal immigrants to keep families together and meet the demand for jobs that employers cannot fill.
Bring People Out of the Shadows: Allow undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, learn English, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens.
Work with Mexico: We need to do more to promote economic development in Mexico to decrease illegal immigration.
Undocumented workers come here to work, not to drive
When I was a state senator in Illinois, I voted to require that illegal aliens get trained, get a license, get insurance to protect public safety. That was my intention. The problem we have here is not driver?s licenses. Undocumented workers do not come here to drive. They?re here to work. Instead of being distracting by what has now become a wedge issue, let?s focus on actually solving the problem that this administration, the Bush administration, had done nothing about it.
Source: 2007 Democratic debate in Las Vegas, Nevada , Nov 15, 2007
Support granting driver?s licenses to illegal immigrants <<< Do we need to point out the hypocrisy of the above statement, or link to where more than one illegal has killed an American in the last year by vehicular homicide? Hmm?
Q: In the absence of comprehensive immigration reform, do you support driver?s licenses for illegal immigrants?
A: Yes. I am going to be fighting for comprehensive immigration reform, and we shouldn?t pose the question that, somehow, we can?t achieve that. The American people desperately want it; that?s what I?m going to be fighting for as president.
Reform must include more border security, and border wall
Q: None of the 9/11 terrorists entered the US through the Mexican border. Why build a wall there in the name of national security? I would like to mention that Senator Obama, Clinton and Dodd voted in favor of the wall.
OBAMA: I have been a consistent champion of comprehensive immigration reform. And keep in mind that my father came to this country from a small village in Africa because he was looking for opportunity. And so when I see people who are coming across these borders, whether legally or illegally, I know that the motivation is trying to create a better life for their children and their grandchildren. So I was one of the leaders, along with several other senators, in passing comprehensive immigration reform. It failed in the House. That is going to involve some elements of border security because we?ve got to make our borders more secure. We can?t just have hundreds of thousands of people coming into the country without knowing who they are.
Source: 2007 Democratic primary debate on Univision in Spanish , Sep 9, 2007
Sanctuary cities show that feds are not enforcing law
Q: Would you allow ?sanctuary cities? to ignore the federal law & provide sanctuary to immigrants?
A: The federal law is not being enforced not because of failures of local communities, but because the federal government has not done the job that it needs to do.
Q: You would allow the sanctuary cities to exist?
A: What I would do as president is pass comprehensive immigration reform. And controlling our borders but also providing a rational immigration system, which we currently don?t have.
Source: 2007 Democratic primary debate at Dartmouth College , Sep 6, 2007
Pathway to citizenship, but people have to earn it
Q: Are you going to create a path to the citizenship for undocumented workers?
A: We have to make sure that employers are held accountable, because right now employers are taking advantage of undocumented workers. And we?ve got to give a pathway to citizenship. But people have to earn it. They?re going to have to pay a fine. They?ve got to make sure that they?re learning English. They?ve got to go to the back of the line so that they?re not rewarded for having broken the law.
Do a better job patrolling the Canadian and Mexican borders
We should certainly do a better job patrolling the borders in Canada. This recent case with the young lawyer who had tuberculosis being waved through by a border guard because, he said, he looked okay is a problem. We?ve got to strengthen our border patrols on both sides. We are a country of immigrants. We?re also a country of laws. And the question is, how do we balance that appropriately? I am hopeful that we can solve this problem constructively.
Source: 2007 Dem. debate at Saint Anselm College , Jun 3, 2007
Give immigrants who are here a rigorous path to citizenship
We want to have a situation in which those who are already here, are playing by the rules, are willing to pay a fine and go through a rigorous process should have a pathway to legalization. Most Americans will support that if they have some sense that the border is also being secured. What they don?t want is a situation in which there is a pathway to legalization and you?ve got another several
Now, my math may be a bit off, but that's roughly a metric fuckton and a half of actions by Obama alone to try and address all the illegal immigrants, no? Oh, did you catch where he tried the wall? Or added drones and a lot more border agents? Hey, he even sent the National Guard down there! Did you get where he wanted, repeatedly, to create a 'rigorous' path to citizenship...you know, not free for all but actually come into America properly and earn citizenship? All things Trump is speaking about?
Other than Bush Sr's magical time in office, it appears Presidents since the 80's have been dealing with the flow of illegal immigrants. Call it a crisis or an issue or whatever - changing the term (Emergency!) doesn't change the reality it has been a long standing problem without a proper solution. And in looking at what I've provided, I have even less expectation that whatever Trump does will resolve it, because it's more of the same.
so given it's central premise is untrue, what's the value of a meme like this?
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![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
So, given your central lack of facts, what's the value in challenging a meme like this? If, that is, we're still not letting memes go at face value with a tenuous grasp on facts in an effort for a haha.
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when there are multiple federal investigations involving AOC, and her closest associates start getting indicted, let me know.
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All that comes to mind in looking back at my post is
I'm going to ban myself from this thread for a bit. Ya'll have fun.
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nah keep posting memes pls I like the cortez one that made me smile a lot
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Throwing out a challenge to any: find a funny meme from the 'other side' of politics, whatever that is to you...
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This doesn't go against my beliefs, but it's apt:
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^Ha, love it. :D
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How true
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I'm not sure how many others here would get this one, but LOL ur naughty hahaha
Rethink pls. Your memes are good.
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