CE&P social thread: why do the people I disagree with hate freedom so much?
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Droppersneck
Bluelighter
I guarantee when you guys get out into the real world granted you arnt going the professional student route you will change your views when you see the government obliterate your paycheck in taxes.
Bardeaux
Bluelight Crew
^The government paid for much of my education in the first place, which will allow me to pay 25% of my $70k salary in taxes. Opposed to 10% of my $16k salary. I'd say it's a fair trade off.
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
Just wait....
Considering you think im a single mom living on welfare, im not too bothered about your predictions regarding my future.
The way I see it, government is largely responsible for my success. Without roads to drive on, law enforcement to protect my rights, sanitary public utilities, national defense and security ect I wouldnt be where I am today. I will more than likely be making a good living after college, and Ill be ok sparing some of that so that the next generation will have the same opportunities, especially since they will be the ones paying into the government programs that benefit the elderly when im in my old age.
Regarding my test..... easiest writing assignment ive had in years. My class writing assignments are always so boring and rigid compared to this, it was almost fun. On the first essay they asked me to respond to some libertarian trash advocating for unrestricted advertising for alcohol/tobacco companies, I raped his argument pretty well IMO. The second one was about what, if any, role government should play in financing higher education.
Both are things im familiar with, were relatively open ended, and were pretty similar to the shit I like to talk about on this forum. Easy peasy. A passing grade is worth 3 units and fulfills a graduation requirement.
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Droppersneck
Bluelighter
Oh yeah I forgot you were this uber smart ken doll guy. Im sure you will be fine!
Bardeaux
Bluelight Crew
I'll most likely be working for a government as well.
Say, don't you have a public job too droppers? Where does your paycheck come from?
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
What does that have anything to do with. I have established that I do think limited government is good.
Bardeaux
Bluelight Crew
Minimize the government!
(Just not my government job, cut the other government jobs so I don't have to pay all these taxes)
(Just not my government job, cut the other government jobs so I don't have to pay all these taxes)
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
My territory is gigantic. My job is necessary the people that have never been in the field but tell us how to do our jobs are another story.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
the only possible relevance one's occupation has to their ideology are measures of things like hypocrisy/commitment/apathy/whatever. They have little to do with the point being made (unless someone's suggesting they're, individually, of significant relevance/influence to their point)
/still entertaining or enlightening, but wrt an idea's merit, they're as relevant as an ad hom (so long as this person is not an integral part of their point)
/still entertaining or enlightening, but wrt an idea's merit, they're as relevant as an ad hom (so long as this person is not an integral part of their point)
The point is that Droppers pushes paper for the government all the while complaining about government spending. In the minds of most small government advocates (who dont really understand the government at all past the fact that they take some of their money) people like him are the problem, yet he has the audacity (stupidity?) to take their side.
If libertarians ran the government, you wouldn't have a job Droppers.
If libertarians ran the government, you wouldn't have a job Droppers.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
i don't know what he does..
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
I work the blue collar area of government work as I interact with people daily and often see the Appalachian distaste for regulation which is very uncomfortable at times. I like my job and do it very efficiently as I pride myself in my work. I am one of the few that practices what he preaches. Ken when you enter the real word try getting a government job it isnt easy
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
yes i know that- he's not advocating anarchism, so the sole fact of "working for the state" is in and of itself meaningless.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
i don't know what any of that means and am a retard. can you elaborate?
/my only governmental job was the easiest paid-work i've ever done.
Bardeaux
Bluelight Crew
It's hypocritical to argue against taxes generally and accept them as a salary at the same time. Especially after choosing a public sector job over a private sector job, where he could have just as easily made a living without relying on the taxpayer for his income. Especially while income taxes haven't been lower in decades, especially while advocating less government expenditure during a fiscal crisis. It stems from a comment about entering the real world and being screwed by taxes, therefore changing political orientation, coming from someone earning a living collecting the very same tax dollars.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
i don't disagree it's hypocritical- i just meant that such hypocrisy (whether there or not) only has bearing on his character and no direct bearing on the right/wrong of, well, the shit he says. accordingly it's trivia/entertainment/lulz/etc but isn't a rebuttal, not in the way ppl try to use it..
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