CE&P social thread: why do the people I disagree with hate freedom so much?
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MyFinalRest
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hahaha, I love it!
I've heard of that Robert Menzies, but that's about it.
Escher's Waterfall
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ebola?
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Escher's Waterfall
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MyFinalRest
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I can't believe this shit! I made 35 gigantic super-awesome posts + Bing research on that thread, but since qwe said I'm not allowed to say "I won the thread" I'm at least gonna say I won it for droppers!
Hey, don't get mad at me...I learned about "winning threads" from you guys!
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MyFinalRest
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In fact, I "win" just about every thread I post in. I won two more today! haha!
qwe
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i'm not mad.
just disappoint.
just disappoint.
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You know what they say about winning on the internet...
@ L2R
America may not be perfect, but we're a lot better then any other military hegemon in history in how we deal with things. Despite our imperfections we promote democracy and supply lots of aid to people that need it. Sure we start wars to secure vital resources, but is that really that bad of a goal in the grand scheme of things? Would you rather have communist China/Russia or fascist Japan/Germany running the show? I think not.
I guess what im saying is criticize where criticism is due, but just realize that things could be a lot worse than they currently are. And while the economic recovery has been slow it is starting to happen.
On another note, I got a job today! Better pay and more hours than my last one, things are lookin up!
America may not be perfect, but we're a lot better then any other military hegemon in history in how we deal with things. Despite our imperfections we promote democracy and supply lots of aid to people that need it. Sure we start wars to secure vital resources, but is that really that bad of a goal in the grand scheme of things? Would you rather have communist China/Russia or fascist Japan/Germany running the show? I think not.
I guess what im saying is criticize where criticism is due, but just realize that things could be a lot worse than they currently are. And while the economic recovery has been slow it is starting to happen.
On another note, I got a job today! Better pay and more hours than my last one, things are lookin up!
Congratulations on the new job. Well done, man!
As for the rest of it, actually i would MUCH RATHER live in communist china (and there's a fairly high chance that one day i will) than live in america. actually, with my growing consciousness of public policy over the last few years, i have gradually moved to a point where i'd rather the chinese hold the hegemony. as counter-intuitive as it sounds, they seem to be doing more to lift people out of poverty (both in their own country and in africa) than any other state. could things be worse than the current u.s. regime? of course they could, but considering some horrific eras in history, that isn't really saying much.
just curious, to which post were you responding? my last few in here have been jokes, except that quote.
As for the rest of it, actually i would MUCH RATHER live in communist china (and there's a fairly high chance that one day i will) than live in america. actually, with my growing consciousness of public policy over the last few years, i have gradually moved to a point where i'd rather the chinese hold the hegemony. as counter-intuitive as it sounds, they seem to be doing more to lift people out of poverty (both in their own country and in africa) than any other state. could things be worse than the current u.s. regime? of course they could, but considering some horrific eras in history, that isn't really saying much.
just curious, to which post were you responding? my last few in here have been jokes, except that quote.
More of a response to your general poking at America as some sort of evil empire on this page and in other threads.
And im not exactly anti-Chinese, like so many Americans are. However I would be very wary of the type of censorship and control that their government exerts over their population. They do not allow average citizens to be politically active and power in their country is controlled by a few elite, even more so than in america. It could be argued that one of the major reasons they have been held in check from expansion in the region is because of fear of America. Be careful what you wish for as far as China controlling Southeast Asia and beyond.
And I think it is saying a lot that things are better than in the cruel regimes of the past. America could easily be much more cruel to the rest of the world for its benefit then than it currently is (and especially since the end of the cold war until now). There is a stabilizing effect on the international political environment when one state holds the vast majority of power and I would say that (with a few exceptions) America has done a pretty good job at it.
I realize this must sound very high and mighty coming from an American, but believe me, I am aware of numerous problems with my country. There are some things that irk me so bad I want to beat the shit out of whoever came up with the idea. However, its human nature to focus on the bad and take the good for granted and I think the world tends to do that when they consider Americas involvement in the international arena.
Another note on China, they are backing Asad in Syria right now. If China becomes a global hegemon, you can bet they will back the authoritarian elements in foreign conflicts, which is not good for the world as a whole IMO.
And im not exactly anti-Chinese, like so many Americans are. However I would be very wary of the type of censorship and control that their government exerts over their population. They do not allow average citizens to be politically active and power in their country is controlled by a few elite, even more so than in america. It could be argued that one of the major reasons they have been held in check from expansion in the region is because of fear of America. Be careful what you wish for as far as China controlling Southeast Asia and beyond.
And I think it is saying a lot that things are better than in the cruel regimes of the past. America could easily be much more cruel to the rest of the world for its benefit then than it currently is (and especially since the end of the cold war until now). There is a stabilizing effect on the international political environment when one state holds the vast majority of power and I would say that (with a few exceptions) America has done a pretty good job at it.
I realize this must sound very high and mighty coming from an American, but believe me, I am aware of numerous problems with my country. There are some things that irk me so bad I want to beat the shit out of whoever came up with the idea. However, its human nature to focus on the bad and take the good for granted and I think the world tends to do that when they consider Americas involvement in the international arena.
Another note on China, they are backing Asad in Syria right now. If China becomes a global hegemon, you can bet they will back the authoritarian elements in foreign conflicts, which is not good for the world as a whole IMO.
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come on, man.... this stuff again. ..
okay..*sigh*
Much of it is sincere, much of it is jest. I put a bit back into the jovial to and fro between the yanks (americans) and the skips (australians) here.
Have a look at the sociological concept of power-distance. trust me, within the cultural context, people are happier in china than in most western places. also, the idea of political involvement is different to what we are used to. their one party system reaches all the way down to children in school, those who behave are rewarded with like kids club membership (you see some kids around with red scarves). there is a system to get into political roles. there are avenues to raise concerns to the government.
and remember, in any large group of people, it is impossible to keep everyone happy. now expand that to 1.6B.
If any moron tries that argument, they'd be completely wrong. There is no record of China ever exerting push on external territories (don't even start with that hong kong/taiwan/tibet bs).
lol, yeah that's what the hype machine says. Actions on the other side, which speak far more than propaganda, clearly indicate that american exertion of influence is one of the world's major antagonising forces. Many of the internal disputes in south america, africa and asia over the last 30 years are subsequent to the u.s. assisting one side over another for some ideological or even outright illegal reason.
not so much high and mighty as led astray. you don't sound boastful or gloating, so don't worry about that.
Actually just last week a chinese delegation went to syria to tell them to chill the fuck out.
okay..*sigh*
Much of it is sincere, much of it is jest. I put a bit back into the jovial to and fro between the yanks (americans) and the skips (australians) here.
Have a look at the sociological concept of power-distance. trust me, within the cultural context, people are happier in china than in most western places. also, the idea of political involvement is different to what we are used to. their one party system reaches all the way down to children in school, those who behave are rewarded with like kids club membership (you see some kids around with red scarves). there is a system to get into political roles. there are avenues to raise concerns to the government.
and remember, in any large group of people, it is impossible to keep everyone happy. now expand that to 1.6B.
If any moron tries that argument, they'd be completely wrong. There is no record of China ever exerting push on external territories (don't even start with that hong kong/taiwan/tibet bs).
lol, yeah that's what the hype machine says. Actions on the other side, which speak far more than propaganda, clearly indicate that american exertion of influence is one of the world's major antagonising forces. Many of the internal disputes in south america, africa and asia over the last 30 years are subsequent to the u.s. assisting one side over another for some ideological or even outright illegal reason.
not so much high and mighty as led astray. you don't sound boastful or gloating, so don't worry about that.
Actually just last week a chinese delegation went to syria to tell them to chill the fuck out.
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