CE&P social thread: why do the people I disagree with hate freedom so much?

[Damien]

lol @ "social thread".

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

the richard bastion show

Quite good!

 

[ebola?]

(Source, including 'hover-over')

ebola

 

[panic in paradise]

^
W is a High-Priest Black-Magician - there were two trucks loaded with Gold in the "basement" of the Alamo, and TWC tower 2.

the Gold upon being melted was in Honor to Saturn, in attempt to please Venus, to have both of these planets Deities on his side...how do you like that, Big Mac, a Whopper enough for you?? you can have it your way the same, ill teach anyone..............................

 

[ebola?]

Ah....what the hell. I think that you're due back soon.

1.Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2.A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3.Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4.Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5.Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6.Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7.Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8.Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9.Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.
10.Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.


I think Mao and Stalin did follow through nicely on Marx and Engel's proposals.

1. The Communist Manifesto was written in particular for the audience of the Communist Party of Belgium of the mid-late 19th C. Thus, in many cases, it makes little sense to import its prescriptions outside of the time and space of its origins without modification.
2. More specifically, Marx drew up this program prior to the existence of the contemporary capitalist welfare state. Thus, some prescriptions which seem quite pedestrian through contemporary eyes were actually quite radical in their time.
3. Stalin and Mao's authoritarian cooptation of many of these projects, coupled with additional oligarchical use of their allure, renders illegitimate many facets of their project.

Actually the professor's income or white-collar work are really not the main things that define them as elite now that I think about it somemore. In addition to possesing an "elite" education level, they are in a position to exploit simply by being instructors to students. It may not be obvious "class based" exploitation as you mention, but it they can exploit by requiring certain readings and the subsequent examinations and essays. Being in a position of "authority over knowledge" can be very powerful.

Technically, this is domination rather than exploitation. But regardless, for how many of these students, is the professor's word carried forward into life as gospel? From where I sit, not many. And most educators that I've worked with welcome well thought dissent from their own opinions.

I've heard this threat about "ignoring" me before, but I hope you don't accidently read something I posted when your are rapidly scrolling down the page to avoid my posts and then get "bored" enough to reply to it

You've noticed vast sections of your posts that I'm neglecting to reply to, right? You also overestimate how long it takes me to read.

As for ideological -isms, I avoid adopting any of the dogamtic sets of beliefs. We are what we make of the world every single moment that we live in it. There are no hard and fast rules or set plans for dealing with a situation.

But restriction of political thought and action to the immediate situation conditions a certain 'myopia', whereby it becomes difficult to imagine a program extending out beyond the immediate situation, including a social base beyond the immediate participants. This type of myopia tends to be inherently conservative.

Because of the Cultural Revolution, Mao had set the stage for huge productive purpose labor which even found odds with the Soviet system and most certainly the Capitalist system.

I might break from Harvey here (though I rarely do; The Limits of Capital was fucking brilliant! ), but I think that even accepting his larger point, Mao's model fails to conform to any Marxist conception of revolution. Namely, Mao took relations of production and ideological superstructures as his 'motors' of revolutionary change, rather than fettered possibilities lying within productive forces. This marks a fundamental inversion of Marx's argument, which depends on a particular relation between the forces and relations of production for its particular conception of historical dynamism.

ebola

 

[L2R]

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment...unches-instore-tv-channel-20111018-1lwv1.html

Its the end of the world as we know it....

I saw this on Zegeist when I used to tweak I remember thinking that someone must be in charge and there trying to destroy America and its all a conspiracy. Im not insane anymore but I will say this. This is a bad idea, our government clearly does not care about us at all, and something needs to happen or else and soon. Something big to let the government know that this is our country and that there replaceable.

Sadly most people are fat sheep who just want to do drugs, eat, and sleep. So sit back and watch America destroy its self. Im right. Nothing will change. Its funny how the conspiratorial shit is right. I was not crazy I had it all right *sigh* oh well I don't really care by the time it gets bad I will be dead. Just sad people will remain brainless sheep and never really understand whats going on. Bahhhh Bahhhh

 

[Pander Bear]

lol, keep it up, l2r

 

[severely etarded]

So I'm reading a book, and I came across this part:

"... lived in a bunker at the wrong end of a very strange realtiy tunnel, in a world dominated by the spectre of the CIA funded Jew-banker spooks who faked crashing the airliners into the Pentagon and the WTC to cover up how they'd bankrupted the nation by stealing all the gold from the Federal Reserve and used it to fund their evil scheme for vaccinated the children of dissidents with an autism-causing virus."

I thought of CE&P immediately.

not so much "Jew-banker", as "global bankers". Hilary Clinton was rumored to run for president of the World Bank, and despite being pro-Israel, I don't think that actually makes her a Jew. Lots of non-Jews are pro-Israel. I think Zionism affiliation with Judaism is shoddy at best.

"faked" crashing airliners" theories are both wrong and stupid.

The logical conclusion from my view on history is that over the course of civilization, an aristocracy of organized criminals have always sought to rule. When the government has higher authority than the citizens, this shelters this kind of criminal activity.

The only thing they are doing is keeping themselves rich by keeping everyone else poor. They scheme ways for that, but that's it... Bilderberg conference, etc.

I also read something about all the gold in Ft. Knox missing? But it was on a credible business news site, not a conspiracy site..

http://www.eutimes.net/2011/05/russia-says-imf-chief-jailed-for-discovering-all-us-gold-is-gone/
http://agmetalminer.com/2009/12/03/fake-gold-bars-discovered-in-hk-lbma-approved-vaults/

 

[L2R]

i especially liked the assurance of sanity.

i aint crazy or nothing BUT....*here's a whole lot of crazy shit*

 

[Max Power]

So I'm reading a book

brought to you by The Tea Party

 

[Shrooms00087]

The only thing they are doing is keeping themselves rich by keeping everyone else poor. They scheme ways for that, but that's it... Bilderberg conference, etc.

I also read something about all the gold in Ft. Knox missing? But it was on a credible business news site, not a conspiracy site..

http://www.eutimes.net/2011/05/russia-says-imf-chief-jailed-for-discovering-all-us-gold-is-gone/
http://agmetalminer.com/2009/12/03/fake-gold-bars-discovered-in-hk-lbma-approved-vaults/

Bilderberg conference is laughable, T.L.C. is much more central but even the TLC has to pander to outsiders. You'd be hard pressed to find a government in history (with a trade network) that didn't 'pander' to the rich, or anyone who could convince the masses to slave themselves over rocks.

The eutimes.net is a dirty looking news site. I don't know about the other. But even so, so what all the water that keeps us afloat is financial which is incorporated with gold but not even close to a life support. "Oops someone stole gold from our military outpost, time to wreck some airliners. Be sure you don't forget to have deeply embedded international banks/companies to throw in put options to be less suspicious about.....stealing gold"

 

[severely etarded]

You'd be hard pressed to find a government in history (with a trade network) that didn't 'pander' to the rich, or anyone who could convince the masses to slave themselves over rocks.

The problem is that the US government has been and still is run by organized criminal activity. It is precisely what fuels the drug "war" and other "wars".

The media pretends organized crime = italian, and ended when they got John Gotti. The truth is there are many more mafias more powerful than the Italian mafia, and it is an ignorant stereotype that the news portrays Italians as the leaders of organized crime.

The truth is the US government has been helping Mexican cartels deal drugs in exchange for --->insert BS here<---, supplying them with weapons, etc. All while it locks up people for being in possession of a little grass and setting up suspicionless internal checkpoints. To throw them in private prisons and make them work for 25 cents/hr

 

[MyFinalRest]

^this.
http://www.osia.org/documents/IA-Fall11-Feature.pdf

 

[MyFinalRest]

@ebola

@Communist Manifesto - Whenever I want a writing to remain confined to a particular group, I too like to finish it up with snappy catch phrases like "Workers of the world, Unite!"

@"ignoring MFR" No, I simply meant ignoring me in general, as if I didn't exist, which isn't so hard since I am getting banned so often these days. My comment had nothing to do with your "reading skills" or ignoring particular parts of my arguments. I naturally wouldn't expect someone to address every single thing I mention in a post.

@political outlook - Myopic...I'll give you that, but I'm myopic without being dogmatic, so in this type of outlook, you can remain flexible to change ideas and methods to suit a new situation where previous shortsightedness has failed, but one still must be cautious of possible far-reaching consequences - of course. So you consider this view to be "inherently conservative"? This kind of approach was advocated by Edmund Burke, but that's not to be confused with today's fanatic right-wingers calling themselves "conservative." I doubt the Right Hon. Mr. Burke would approve of some of my posts though...but, I was surprised that when I read him, I actually liked him quite a bit.

From On the Revolution in France
"The circumstances are what render every civil and political scheme beneficial or noxious to mankind."

It also seems trying to hold on to a far-sighted ideology only causes trouble. Subscribing exclusively to a dogmatic belief like Marxism or Capitalism; Conservatism or Change; is bound to fail because the ideologies remain too inflexible or are meaningless when they stand alone without regard to the prevailing circumstances. I do tend to be dogmatically anti-authoritarian though...
Really, all you hear from politicians and journalists is either "I'm for it" ; "I'm against it" ; or the falsely claimed 'wisest' path - "the middle of the road." Nobody ever talks about circumstances possibly affecting views in a given situation.

@"educators as elites" How thick is the boundary between "domination" and "exploitation"?

 

[MyFinalRest]

So I'm reading a book, and I came across this part:

"... lived in a bunker at the wrong end of a very strange realtiy tunnel, in a world dominated by the spectre of the CIA funded Jew-banker spooks who faked crashing the airliners into the Pentagon and the WTC to cover up how they'd bankrupted the nation by stealing all the gold from the Federal Reserve and used it to fund their evil scheme for vaccinated the children of dissidents with an autism-causing virus."

I thought of CE&P immediately.

So I'm checking out youtube clips on 9/11 and then I came across this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4yGICFsi8&feature=related

I thought of you immediately.

 

[MyFinalRest]

lol @ "social thread".

You're welcome!

 

[Shrooms00087]

The problem is that the US government has been and still is run by organized criminal activity. It is precisely what fuels the drug "war" and other "wars".

The media pretends organized crime = italian, and ended when they got John Gotti. The truth is there are many more mafias more powerful than the Italian mafia, and it is an ignorant stereotype that the news portrays Italians as the leaders of organized crime.

The truth is the US government has been helping Mexican cartels deal drugs in exchange for --->insert BS here<---, supplying them with weapons, etc. All while it locks up people for being in possession of a little grass and setting up suspicionless internal checkpoints. To throw them in private prisons and make them work for 25 cents/hr

There's a lot to the drug war in banking, in military, agriculture (probably the worst aspect), control of peasants, immigration, to State policy in both areas of migration, and then regular crime/prisons. So yes, I agree. Capitalism needs these things, capitalism is criminal, I agree. But conspiracy theories that completely reroute blame to a single (or small) bank[ing] or gold or Jews whatever you'd like, only hinders the process of finding true power structures.

 

[severely etarded]

There's a lot to the drug war in banking, in military, agriculture (probably the worst aspect), control of peasants, immigration, to State policy in both areas of migration, and then regular crime/prisons. So yes, I agree. Capitalism needs these things, capitalism is criminal, I agree. But conspiracy theories that completely reroute blame to a single (or small) bank[ing] or gold or Jews whatever you'd like, only hinders the process of finding true power structures.

It's just a planet run by criminals, designed for criminals. They make laws just to exploit them.

Not blaming any power structure in particular, but they mostly seem to all work together, in order to maintain their power. If regular people could be as united as global elites are, maybe something could get done. Nothing good comes out of the system right now though. The system we are living in is just going to breed more chaos, corruption, and poverty.

The problems our society have are deeply rooted in central banking and the drug war. Not any particular bank, just the small group of international mega-banks.

 

[qwe]

^occupy wall street.

 

[Shrooms00087]

The problems our society have are deeply rooted in central banking and the drug war. Not any particular bank, just the small group of international mega-banks.

I agree with just one minor deviation. Banks usefulness is null without mega-corporations, energy corporations, public relations, medicine, and church (etc). It's a whole tapestry of inter-beneficiaries are of complexity. Thus, capitalism and all it's lawlessness must cease to exist, entirely.