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Car accident left me in constant neck/spine pain.

I can't say for definite, s trapped nerve is different than my problem. You could go into remission though so don't lose hope. There are some tests but they are expensive and not readily Available, I for example cannot get anything to stop it in my country, I am looking into traveling to try different treatments to help prolong the detrioration and get a little respite.

As for the addiction, you don't want to be dependent on benzo's. I take diazepam very rarely if I have something really important to do, and I ill be using them for exposure therapy for my panic disorder, but I have only had 3 short scripts this year and one last year. They really help me but the last thing I want Is another physical dependence. Especially one that could kill you.

I would suggest counselling and anti depressants in my honest opinion, that's what I am going through now, it's hard but I am willing to try anything. Again meditation will help immensely. Try buying the mood gym full book, you can get it in ebook format from amazon for £6, I don't know the current currency exchange rate but it's not a lot.

Hope this helps.
 
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The sad truth with opiates is that no matter how compliant a patient is with their dosage schedule; no matter how badly a doctor low-balls a chronic-pain sufferer to avoid potential addiction or drug-seeking types, the end result is always the same.....
They know this, so most err on the side of caution, or avoid the subject of tolerance & dependency altogether.

There are few doctors left that will actually write for enough opiates to provide adequate pain-relief. Exposure to liability is far too high, and palliative care with opiates is always a zero-sum game as the timeline for treatment gets longer.

Personally, I'll let myself croak or go into shock before I willingly step foot into a hospital again. Their idea of "pain-management" has almost killed me several times over...... I despise them with a hellish passion, and for the most part see going to one as a surefire sentence to early relapse & death. 8)

Honestly, my own life is better whilst in agony.... than while being an active addict.
 
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I know what you mean, my old pm dr traumatised me, he was shit.

Am seeing a specialist soon, she is very knowledgable so hopefully I will get more relief soon. Fingers crossed anyway.

I am sorry you went through the same as me hun, it is an experience I would not wish on my worst enemies even though they'd fully deserve it.

Hugs to ya, stay strong <3


Ixchellian said:
The sad truth with opiates is that no matter how compliant a patient is with their dosage schedule; no matter how badly a doctor low-balls a chronic-pain sufferer to avoid potential addiction or drug-seeking types, the end result is always the same.....
They know this, so most err on the side of caution, or avoid the subject of tolerance & dependency altogether.

There are few doctors left that will actually write for enough opiates to provide adequate pain-relief. Exposure to liability is far too high, and palliative care with opiates is always a zero-sum game, as the timeline for treatment gets longer.

Personally, I'll let myself croak or go into shock before I willingly step foot into a hospital again. Their idea of "pain-management" has almost killed me several times over...... I despise them with a hellish passion, and for the most part see going to one as a surefire sentence to early relapse & death. 8)

Honestly, my own life is better whilst in agony.... than while being an active addict.
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OctoberRust12 said:
I was always lurking on this website when I first started using X but I have not touched ectesey in 2 years due to being bunk'd 1 too many times. And I'm not trying to fight with my doctor. Also, I used Opana for a while to help with my lower back pain due to having muscle spasms. But I detoxed myself from Opana about 2 months ago, and been clean since and dealing with my lower back pain.
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Who prescribed the Opana? And does your current physician know that you used to take this medication?
 
Doomed2pain said:
I know what you mean, my old pm dr traumatised me, he was shit.
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Hopefully your next will have a good working knowledge, and not dig in her heels the first time your dose needs to be titrated up for needed pain relief due to inevitable tolerance.

My experience wasn't with just one doctor or clinic. It's been with a good sized portion of a government-run health care system. A few doctors along with many nurses, understand how to safely & effectively treat pain with opiates..... unfortunately they're largely hamstrung by politics & fear.
8)
 
Same here. My pm dr gave me nerve blocks and injected into my foot without anaesthesia but he couldn't get a vein (bad veins sincei was a child) so he was digging round with 4 different needles. 4 nurses had to physicallypin me, my bp and heart beat shot up, heart rate was like 180+ eventually I pleaded with him to try a premature baby cannular and it worked. The nerve block made it worse so I only tried 2 sessions.

He used to be practically abusive and left me in so many states, I was having a full blown panic attack once and he just made it worse, the nurses were disgusted with him. Absolute asshole.

This next one is going to be private once my solicitor has filed a court charge against the insurance company if they won't comply. It's just constant battles with everyone. I can't get disability living allowance yet, and have to go for a medical to see if I am disabled enough for some tosser that work's for the job centre. Blah

Anyway, positive thinking and that.

I hope you don't ever get mistreated like that again, it is neglectful and abusive as far as I am concerned.
 
Missykins said:
Who prescribed the Opana? And does your current physician know that you used to take this medication?
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I wasn't prescribed them, I was buying them from a friend until I realized I couldn't spend this much money on 1 pill just to feel good for just one day so I stopped.
 
Missykins said:
So then you were using them illicitly.
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Does illustrating the obvious like that help ORust, or anyone else?
No.

And posted to an BL message board, that reply has quite an accusational tone.

In any case, as the Opana is evidently out of the picture now, it doesn't have much bearing in the management of pain at this point.... other than taking opiate-naivete off the table.
 
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Missykins said:
So then you were using them illicitly.
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Am I under oath? lol

Doom - I am currently using your journal idea to show my doctor when I see him next. Hopefully this will make him turn around and say "well maybe I have to do something for my patient." I am writing my reports throughtout the day. I write one for that morning, afternoon, and night. At the bottom I lable my pain from 1 - 10 (10 being worst obv) I hope this helps me out in the long run if I keep feeling these pains. Thank you for the idea!

Ixchellian - Yeah, I was only doing oxymorphone rec before the accident even though it help'd with my mild back pain from before. I was able to get off in time and make my body realize that I don't need that oxymorphone crave to get through my day. But as of now, it's looking like heaven when I see a picture of one knowing it helps so much and that it would help out my current situation so much but I doubt in the future I will be able to get a script of it factoring in my age again cause I'm so young that I shouldn't rely on opiates to get me through the day. But in this case, I really do need it now to get through my day. I can't lift anything without having pain. I can't stand too long, and I cant sit too long without being in pain eaither way.
 
Can you also describe the pain? Mine is normally 2 hourly but you know I'm a bit of a wreck lol. Use very descriptive language of how the pain feels, where it affects etc.

Have you given thought to the other suggestions? Physio, nerve drugs etc etc? If you show him you will use them and you are still in pain he will begin to trust you, and you may even be pleasantly surprised. Opiates are the last line defence for nerve damage of any severity. You're lucky you are getting what you are to be honest, I was on codeine for 18 months.

And you're welcome, if I can help, I will.



OctoberRust12 said:
Am I under oath? lol

Doom - I am currently using your journal idea to show my doctor when I see him next. Hopefully this will make him turn around and say "well maybe I have to do something for my patient." I am writing my reports throughtout the day. I write one for that morning, afternoon, and night. At the bottom I lable my pain from 1 - 10 (10 being worst obv) I hope this helps me out in the long run if I keep feeling these pains. Thank you for the idea!

Ixchellian - Yeah, I was only doing oxymorphone rec before the accident even though it help'd with my mild back pain from before. I was able to get off in time and make my body realize that I don't need that oxymorphone crave to get through my day. But as of now, it's looking like heaven when I see a picture of one knowing it helps so much and that it would help out my current situation so much but I doubt in the future I will be able to get a script of it factoring in my age again cause I'm so young that I shouldn't rely on opiates to get me through the day. But in this case, I really do need it now to get through my day. I can't lift anything without having pain. I can't stand too long, and I cant sit too long without being in pain eaither way.
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Doomed2pain said:
Can you also describe the pain? Mine is normally 2 hourly but you know I'm a bit of a wreck lol. Use very descriptive language of how the pain feels, where it affects etc.

Have you given thought to the other suggestions? Physio, nerve drugs etc etc? If you show him you will use them and you are still in pain he will begin to trust you, and you may even be pleasantly surprised. Opiates are the last line defence for nerve damage of any severity. You're lucky you are getting what you are to be honest, I was on codeine for 18 months.

And you're welcome, if I can help, I will.
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Okay well I get this kinda sharp pain/cramp feeling in my L4-L5 lower neck area and it seems like it shoots right down my back and then it feels like my right side of my back goes a little numb. Also getting muscle spasms too.
 
Ok good but can you describe the intensity? I am not going to give you any clues I wanna get you used to description as efficiently and effectively as possible. Then you are in with a chance of him better understanding your pain.
 
Intensity can go from Mild to drastic during different's points of the day. Feels like my muscle are tensing up, and then releasing fast causing disscomfort. How that? lol Please chime in and guide me if I did not hit the nail on the head.
 
No, use more of a word how you'd describe the sensation of it. Think of how you'd describe the feel wintery bitter winds against your face, or what it feels like to put your hand's on something hot. Do you get my meaning? The more accurately you can describe the acute pain and the after pain, the better.
 
Maybe you should pint upand use those pain diagrams they use when you are in pain management? Have you seen/used one before? If not I will look for a link or post a pic (still new here so willneed to figure out how) but basically it's the front of a body with arms extended, and the back also. Some ask different questions or have different names or qualifiers for pain, but its usually something like "place an x where the pain is stabbing"place a slash (/) where the pain is numb" They se words like "pins and needles," "burning," "stabbing." "dull," etc. You can come up with your own terms and symbols. They also usually ask for each region to rate your pain on the 0-10 scale, and what makes it better/worse (sitting, standing, bending, lying down, etc). This may be too thorough, and can also be downright cumbersome, but will show the doc that you are dedicated to looking for patterns and tracking what helps, what doesn't, and what may bring it on.

Let me know if you cant find one online. I know many pain centers websites have them under a "paperwork" or "patient forms" section. I used this successfully, and am now, FINALLY, getting surgery after two years of all of the conservative treatments (I went so far as getting my own relief by going to a methadone clinic to control the pain, Not recommended, but it worked until I could find a doctor that could not believe I went that route for pain relief). I SO know what you are going through so hangtough, and remember your doctor works for YOU. And if he/she is not doing the job make it clear they are fired and find another (ya gotta be careful about the doctor shopping bit though).
 
I know what you mean Hun, it is ridiculous some of the methods we have to employ to get adequate relief. I am going to have to see a private dr for the medication I need, I need a semi synthetic opoid as the morphine is really really messing up my stomach and I didn't have any problems like this with fentanyl and oxycodone. I keep telling them and no matter what they prescribe to counteract the negative affects of my digestive tract, it just gets worse. It is because my nerves are knackered and so all of my organs are being badly affected by the condition. Meh

Hope you both find some relief soon and I am glad you managed to get some surgery planned bad mommy, I can't get my surgical proceedures yet, I am looking at goingto the neatherlands of Germany for treatment as they won't do it in this country :( but it all depends on if the insurance company are going to comply. *face palm against my iPad*






badmommy said:
Maybe you should pint upand use those pain diagrams they use when you are in pain management? Have you seen/used one before? If not I will look for a link or post a pic (still new here so willneed to figure out how) but basically it's the front of a body with arms extended, and the back also. Some ask different questions or have different names or qualifiers for pain, but its usually something like "place an x where the pain is stabbing"place a slash (/) where the pain is numb" They se words like "pins and needles," "burning," "stabbing." "dull," etc. You can come up with your own terms and symbols. They also usually ask for each region to rate your pain on the 0-10 scale, and what makes it better/worse (sitting, standing, bending, lying down, etc). This may be too thorough, and can also be downright cumbersome, but will show the doc that you are dedicated to looking for patterns and tracking what helps, what doesn't, and what may bring it on.

Let me know if you cant find one online. I know many pain centers websites have them under a "paperwork" or "patient forms" section. I used this successfully, and am now, FINALLY, getting surgery after two years of all of the conservative treatments (I went so far as getting my own relief by going to a methadone clinic to control the pain, Not recommended, but it worked until I could find a doctor that could not believe I went that route for pain relief). I SO know what you are going through so hangtough, and remember your doctor works for YOU. And if he/she is not doing the job make it clear they are fired and find another (ya gotta be careful about the doctor shopping bit though).
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Hello!

Sorry, I was not able to really get on as much as I liked! Anyways here's a little update on my current health. I'm still having that muscle spasm/nerve damage. I am now starting to get alot of lower back pain. I cant stand/or sit down for very long. Been getting migranes and small headaches. I don't have anymore medication for the past 5 days. I've been bad I hate to go out and get a Opana 40 the other night cause I was in so much pain. It's the only thing that helps me. Hell, I don't even take it to get a high, I actually feel like I need it now. I walk better, feel better, everything is better. But sadly this is not going to keep happening. I can't keep spending money like that for a 1 day feel good mood. I really need somethingm and someone to talk to. I wrote a pain journal for the past 12 days. I go to my doctor tomorrow. My old job called me back and asked if I wanted my position back. The sad thing is that it was labor work, and I don't feel like I can do it anymore. I am going to ask my doctor and see what he thinks. I got a lawyar for my back, but he said I gotta wait 90 days to make it an actual case because there was no fractions. Since it's a muscle/nerve damage case I have to wait to see if my pain presits. I am having a hard time because my whole family is eaither marines/hard workers and now they are talking about me being on dissability if this keeps up. My father too is also on dissability for having 3 slipped disks, herniated (sp?) disk, 2 broken rotator cufts, nerve/muscle damage. He is against taking pain meds, and usually pops a 800mg IbProfen and goes on with his day. He is always in pain but is so used to it that he learned to deal with it. I try and tell him my pain, but he just turns around and says "suck it up." We are both on anti-depressants living in the same home. I currently have no job due to my accident. My other job was under the table working taking care of elderly people helping them get up, go to the bathroom, medication, and just being there for them. That job already replaced me, and now my old job like I said called back, but I can't do what they want me to do cause of my back! I really need advice, I feel useless and lost. My girlfriend for a year is here for me, and I feel bad because I feel useless to her. I don't feel like the man I used to be. I was aways active and hard working. Now, I can't do anything without grunting because of my pain. I feel it's not right for her to be with me because she deserves someone who is healthy. I'm slowly breaking down over here and feeling like shit everyday.
 
Don't think like that, I think like that all of the time and I have severe mental health issues now because of it and I will never be back to normal, self loathing is a difficult road to walk down and even more impossible to get out of. Talk to your dr. See what he says, ask for tests done then you can get a more accurate prognosis ok?

It is still early days yet so don't start getting stressed now, now Is your time to recuperate and heal. Sending out healing thoughts to you and good luck with your dr. Also write your moods down now just the pain, the dr will be able to see how it is affecting your day to day life then.

Good luck
 
Miss ya doomed for them short days I was gone!

I did, I wrote him a 3 page letter explaining how my depression has gotten worst. And that I don't feel like myself anymore. I know I shouldn't be thinking like this, but when you have a father like I do, you tend to keep things to yourself. I've been locking all my pain up inside, and I can't do it no more. My girlfriend is the only one who knows because she had to wake me up when she found my limp body in the car. She's been there for me, but I need my father too also. He's going to the doctor with me tomorrow.
 
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