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Heroin Can't Sleep Without Dope

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Bluelighter
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So I've run into a problem. The last couple of days I've been on a heroin binge and have had heroin to put me to sleep at night. Now I find myself with no heroin and no money to get any but I do have seven 10mg methadone pills. I know it isn't the same but how many of these do you reckon will put me to sleep if I usually take 2-4 bags to put me into the gentle embrace of opiate induced sleep?
 
Try one-half (5mg), wait a few hours before it takes full effect.

Methadone is very potent and can kill you if overdosed. It can take up to 3hrs to take full effect so don't redose if you're new to it.

It may be better to try e.g. diphenhydramine or promethazine to get you to sleep. Methadone is an opiate and will just make your eventual w/d worse.
 
I've popped over 200mg of benadryl over the past two hours. that shit does diddly squat to me. That's because I've abused the fuck out of it before (also trying to get to sleep). I do however think you might be underestimating my habit. One 10mg isn't even enough to get me feeling right when I'm sick...I really don't think it'd be enough to get me to sleep =\ I've taken one 10mg and gone throughout my day and never felt absolutely anything.
 
Cannabis is helpful if you can find it, but you will need a heavy stony indica if not some quality water hash in your bowl as well. Skullcap can be found at herb stores and is useful.
 
I'm having the exact same problem atm rules, I feel for you. I'm about the same take about 2-4 bags to get a good sleep under my belt. I find a joint and some benzo's or over the counter sleeping tablets help. but i wouldn't get into the habbit of using the benzo's every night for obvious reasons though. Take care <3
 
For some people, Benadryl can worsen the kicks/restless legs and arms that go along with opiate withdrawal...especially at night, when your cursing in bed just to stay still long enough to fall asleep, while it feels like there is also a busy subway station running inside of your brain.
 
heroin keeps me awake or i'll be able to sleep in like 30 min intervals. If I'm able to nod, I'll be out for a few hrs but that's about it. I'm kinda on subs now and think that's what causing my sleep problems.
 
You have my deepest sympathies seeing as this was where I was at one week ago. I wasn't really dope sick even as I'd IVed early that morning, just had really awful insomnia and anxiety.

Here's what I tried:
Advil PM
Nyquil
Tyenol PM
Sometrex
Unisom
Benadryl
Immodium (figured why not, helps w/ WD)
Melatonin
Valerian
Kava Kava
Alcohol
Weed

As you can guess, none of the above worked. Alcohol was the WORST, never ever drink for anxiety it was awful.. don't even want to go into detail.

What did work:
Benzos
More opiates.

I took 12mg Klonopin. They were prescribed to me but I don't think I can tell you how to get drugs, even if it's legal.
PM me if you'd like.

Wouldn't go down the methadone road, my dad is 7 years down that road and regrets not going with bupe. Back then he didn't have health insurance like millions of other Americans and back when bupe first came out it was barely cheaper than the rent I pay on my 1BR/1B apartment now. It's way cheaper now, I'm actuallygiving up IV H for bupe tomorrow. Wish me luck! :)

Methadone's effects last 24 hours (to be fair, I believe bupe lasts longer...?) So if you end up on a high dose it could take years to taper off.. tT My dad is on 257mg, which he told me is enough to kill 6 opiate naive people? Not positive if that's correct. but it's a very high dose. So basically he's been putting off tapering for years cause it would be such a bitch. Some users with a very long, extensive past with H have to remain on methadone the remainder of their lives. He's not an ex H addict, but this may be the case... Which is incredibly sad to me.

Around here, the starting dose is 30-40mg at our methadone clinic So I would just do that tonight for sleeping purposes if you have no other resources at your disposal. Anyway I'm nodding so bad, really hope this post made sense somehow... Best of luck :) Since it looks like we deal w/ the same shit we can compare notes. PM me and update me for sure!
 
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I had the same problem. I learned the hard way that too many Benadryls actually worked opposite it-kept me wide awake. Alot of times I would take Methadone inbetween getting my H, and if I took it too late it kept me awake, or worse it kept making me wake myself up just so I could nod off. Thats what my body wanted. If I tried to sleep I would just keep waking myself back up. Have a smoke, take a toke, and nod off. If I took about 30 MGS (3 pills) earlier in the day, I could function, as well as sleep that night. A few specifics: I was iving the H, and the Methadones. Dont know if, or how that makes a difference, but there it is. Just FYI: the post above about the guy taking 257 MGs of Methadone a day is insanely high, but I know the clinics do dose this high. Crazy thing is a patient I know at a pain clinic is on 50 MGs a day of Methadone and the prescribing nurse is always talking about how high a dose they are on, and how bad it is for them. This patient gets told to try to cut down every 3 months. They already took away 10 MGs. Now we are talking about a patient with documented osteoporsis, degenerative disk disease, facet disease, and has something wrong with L4 and L5 vertibre. Complete with MRIs to back it up. Not to mention this person had colorectal cancer surgery removing part of their intestine just a little over a year ago.
Just nuts how drs vs clinics are. This is only my opinion, but H took longer to get off then Methadones, but Methadones were harder to get off. The withdrawl was worse. The state of mind a person has while on either one seems to be close to the same. Who that person is when they are balanced. When they have enough: not too much, not too little. The junkie lifestyle is different then the junkie state of mind, and is obvious in the H user because of the nature of aquiring the drug, and the legalities surrounding it. The social outlook on H vs Methadone is another factor. Fluxuating tolerances based on H's quality, the quanity the individual can afford, as well as the short life span of the high. Other contributing factors such as the scheduling or routine of taking the H: is the user just maintaining or is the user a nodder. ROA also contributes although some might not agree. The Methadone lifestyle is different in that Methadone is long lasting. You dont wake up sick and thus unable to control any other thought besides getting well. Methadone is routinely administered so the body can find its tolerance level and its balance (assisted by a dr of coarse) without all the ups and downs of varying potentcy. This coupled with educational and positive reinforcement gives the user the knowledge of how to recognize and deal with mental or physical situations that could lead them back to using. That junkie state of mind is still there though. They are just a controlled junkie now. NOT in any way is that a bad thing though. I would much rather see folks get into a Methadone program rather then use H. Now if H was prescibe-ably legal and could be controlled like Methadone is-in a program, well then......;)
I got a Subutex dr now who gives me 12 MGs a day. I choose to iv it as my ROA. I do 8 MGs everyday, I do the other 4 MGs later in the day, but only 2-3 days alternated through the week. I have a quesion posted in the Bupe megathread regarding the fact that I might be doing too much. I will say this: I didnt like the Subutex at first. It would keep me from being sick, and let me function, but that was it. It took over 2 weeks before I started to like it. Now, I wont go back to H. Im good. That lifestyle was literaly killing me, and that is what keeps me on Subutex. I like Subutex enough that coupled with the memorys of that world I was in, I am able to stay away from H. I still love H more then anything else. Im an addict, but until I can get from a dr (never going to happen) in H what I am getting with the Subutex, I wont change my mind. I sleep great now every night. Wow I really went on a rant. I didnt mean it. Meant to convey my thoghts on the subject is all. If you are still with me, another thing I learned that worked to get me to sleep was Trazadone which I found were easy to get prescribed or easy to find around. A fan blowing on me became a regular event to help me sleep when I didnt have H. Try it. Anyway I hope this helps you. Helps someone else maybe. heck-helps anyone. If not its just another long posting most will skip over in a forum anyway.
 
lol when you are on heroin and you are at the point u need it to sleep, and u dont have any, NOTHING that is OTC will help you sleep..u can take a half bottle of melatonin and combine it with nyquil and tylenol pm and put it in a blender and drink it down and u will still be awake..the only thing that works in this situation is seroquel, methadone, benzos or perhaps maybe phenibut....just be lucky you are just at the 'unable to sleep' stage and not at the 'miserably ill and unable to sit still, sleep or stand up stage'...

id say 10-20 mgs of methadone would give you some sleep....
 
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Yeah trazadone worked for me, they give you it in rehab to help sleep (its also for depression) and my bf got a script for it from his rehab (i never took it at mine, suboxone took care of my sleep problems there but be careful - contrary to what some will tell you (including some doctors) it IS addictive when taken for longer than about a week) but took some of the bfs on a different occasion, worked like a charm but made my nose all stuffed up for some reason (i took it orally so idk why but apparently its a common side affect with trazadone). As for the meth, 40 mgs helped me sleep and took away some wds and its the starting dose at my bfs clinic so id go with that to start
 
I choose to iv it as my ROA. I do 8 MGs everyday, I do the other 4 MGs later in the day, but only 2-3 days alternated through the week.

I understand you're probably addicted to your RoA, which is IV. But bupe has excellent oral BA and there's really no difference in shooting.. except most likely a shorter duration. Also as I'm sure you are aware IV is extremely bad for your body, especially your veins. I IV my dope and I personally can't wait to take my bupe orally. I strongly urge you to do the same, for the sake of your health. And bupe is also used off label for depression and pain issues as well as ORT, it's really a great drug I agree.
 
^ or if you still feel the need to inject id suggest trying out the micron filter method (theres a great article with detailed instructions and pictures on this site, i cant remember what its under but i think its a mega thread, try searching micron filter or something similar); it'll require some special purchases (i doubt youd have everything on hand and i personally dislike using the rigs with separate bodies and heads cause if it gets clogged w/o you knowing you risk losing your whole shot) but its definately worth it for the health of your veins
 
I understand you're probably addicted to your RoA, which is IV. But bupe has excellent oral BA and there's really no difference in shooting.. except most likely a shorter duration. Also as I'm sure you are aware IV is extremely bad for your body, especially your veins. I IV my dope and I personally can't wait to take my bupe orally. I strongly urge you to do the same, for the sake of your health. And bupe is also used off label for depression and pain issues as well as ORT, it's really a great drug I agree.

According to the megathread the BA is:

sublingual: ~30%
"Buprenorphine is well absorbed sublingually, with 60% to 70% of the bioavailability of intravenous doses"
"Study results indicate that bioavailability of sublingual buprenorphine is approximately 30%"
"Literature on bioavailability of sublingual buprenorphine presents variable numbers ranging from. 19–58% of the administered dose."
"Relative to the 100% bioavailability from the intraarterial route the mean bioavailabilities were [...] sublingual, 13%"

And

intravenous: 98%-100%

Unless something has changed.
 
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