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Can't seem to get effects from salvia..

ChipTrippyFox

ChipTrippyFox

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Im begining to be a little frustrated.

It seems i am, or rather, have become immune to the effects of salvia divinorum

I used to use it and had profound effects back in the day (about 7 years ago) but now i do not seem to get any effect at all. I only ever used 10x before but it required very little to get me into that headspace.

now i used 40x and 20x extract, both from the same brand. Im starting to belive that its bunk stuff.. Possibly had the salvinorin A extracted from it and added to a different batch? (a cheap money grab)


Does anyone else have an issue with this? I know my technique is fine.

Im feeling the need for a very strong psychedelic experience.. I need personal insite and i am hoping to achive that.
 
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If you know what you're doing and you know the way you do it is correct, the problem should be with the material.
The other way round: Imo there is no way you correctly administer a dose of a psychedelic that should lead to full effects, without getting effects.

If you only take 1/4 of the 40x extract, try upping the dosage (if no effect at all, just double).

Just for ruling things out: Describe your technique anyway.

Do you use a bong and hold it in as long as you can?
 
There is no need to not use water in your bong, as Salvinorin A is not particularly water soluble.


ChipTrippyFox: Salvia has a kind of reverse tolerance that comes out with regular use. This has most probably reset to zero, if you haven't used it in many years.
 
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Read up, we got a central subthread on the topic: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=100556

:)

Maybe the no water in bong idea sprung from the same notion that salvia needs to be vaped at high heat with a butane torch i.e. some people might fear that it condenses quickly. All in all, I don't know of any substantial evidence to support that.

Switch to another product and/or mix up your smoking techniques?
 
"There is no need to not use water in your bong, as Salvinorin A is not particularly water soluble."
This does not make sense xD
You use water for cooling + probably filtering ashes.
If a substance is soluble in water, some of it would end up in the water instead of your body.
 
Read again, there is like a double or triple negative in that sentence.
 
I've tried both pipe and bong AND bong with no water.

I use a normal Bic lighter and hold the flame to the material for the entire duration of the inhale and hold it in for about a minute.

I truly do belive that this is material related. My first time ever trying the substance I only had the tiniest pinch of 10x and I felt more effects than I do these last few attempts. And regarding the reverse tollerance, I thought the same thing so I've been trying every couple days to see if there is any change... nope.

So that being said I think my best bet is to aquire some other brand. :/ if that still doesn't work.. Well then idk what to do.
 
The salvia I have now is the same.
Very very bunk and the guy at the store assured me it was 40x, whereas a few years back when I had 20x all I needed was two small pinches to blast me off into salvia land
 
I tried again not long ago with aproximately double what ive been using.. nadda...

Im thinking that whatever company is behind this line has another seperate line which has real extract. They likely take the salvinorin from this material and put it into their real stuff and sell it under a seperate name.

This is what i have

*pics removed - no brands please* (mod edit: the maths of the dosage/extraction details work out as far as I can tell) *

also correction, its 20x not 30x like i previously stated but that really shouldnt matter much..
 
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Salvinorin can degrade over time if it's not stored under ideal conditions, or the extraction was too rough, if it's exposed to acids or bases, strong light etc. You may just have to switch "brands" until you find one that works. Especially if you buy these from a smoke shop that has low turnover, they may have been sitting on a shelf for quite some time.

If you have the technique down (smoked it before successfully), blame the material.
 
Yeah.. In a while I'm going to try again with a different brand. I don't doubt that this store likely did have it on its shelf for quite some time, it doesn't seem to be one of the things they would regularly sell. So if ssalvnorin a really does degrade like you say (I didn't know that :p) then there is a chance that may be what happened.

The package was double based and sealed pretty air tight with the cardboard cover wrapped around it however. But still.

I know people say avoid buying from head shops but there is one in town that I was told had salvia with noticeable effects, I may try there.
 
salvinorin does not degrade.
super stable.
some stores don't have good product
some extract is not made in a uniform manner, or mixed properly into the leaf base.
in any case, 1/2 gram should be more than enough of plain leaf to make you soar if inhaled over 90 seconds.
1/10 th of a gram of 5x is enough
1/20 th of a gram of 10x is enough
1/40 th of a gram of 20x is enough...
based upon the stats that 2200micrograms of salvinorin A is in a gram of plain leaf.
and 1000 micrograms is the universal serious dose to be in the visionary or immaterial mind state.

for me 1/3 of those amounts (consumed within 90 seconds) is enough to go visionary or immaterial.

if the process of inhaling goes slowly as it can for marijuana, the metabolic breakdown will exceed the threshold concentration build up and you will not really get going.
 
Based on your numbers, if I have .2 grams of "20x" that means ( if my math a and understanding is correct) i effectively have 8 doses worth of product. That being said, I should have way more than enough getting into my system with one singular hit. If all this is true, surely there is somthing wrong with the product.
 
Don't get 'brand' salvia. From what I heard those ones do actually come bunk quite often, or they're a lower extract than stated.
 
I don't doubt this. In fact the first time I started using salvia I was buying it from a shop that sold it by the gram from a bucket rather than having pre packaged material and that stuff was insane!
 
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