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Just to get an idea of how much speed you took, you said you took "10 lines" how much would this be in a weight? Say a gram? More or less than a gram?
 
To the moderators i appoligise for my last post .. it was a normal user who i was offended by .. i was off my face when posting ...
be safe friends...
 
Wow, you got offended by THAT? Don't visit the lads in Other Drugs, then ;)
I was just trying to stop this thread from a series of pointless bragging posts, which it now isn't. I even apologised for being a naggy Nelly in my original post.
 
Maybe some explanation...

I'm not trying to appear hard - I've been doing this for a while, I always test, I'm not a candy raver going nuts off my head on goey - most of the times I roll it's at home with friends. I just had a big weekend - but not too much bigger than what I would consider a "normal" weekend.

What I actually took was more like 15 pills and 3/4 of an 8 - didn't say that because I didn't want to turn this into a pissing contest. But it wasn't like I went into it trying to fry my brain - just having a good time with friends and we just got carried away.

But I've never had a problem with the comedown before - this last week has been like hell - can't sleep, extremely paranoid, headaches trying to read. I was just surprised that it effected me so badly - having never experienced this before.

At the time I posted this I was just wondering when the hell I was going to feel normal again - if I would feel normal again. I wanted some reassurance from someone - anyone - that I hadn't permanatly damaged myself. And I wanted to see if anyone had experienced something similar - or worse.

Next time I post I'll just say something like "How good are the A's man" or "Research drugs dangerous - except when I take them because I have heaps better contacts than you - play safe kids"... wouldn't want to rock the boat...

I really like bluelight and I've learned alot on this board - you might have noticed I have been a member for over a year but have only posted twice. I do have a problem with the fact that the "chemical elite" seem to lecture a lot - until they get into their own little conversations and talk just like the rest of the "trolls".

Maybe there's more to harm reduction then just telling people they've taken to much and to slow down?

[/me gets off soapbox]

In case anyone was wondering, I am feeling fine now.

And as to the actual responses to my post

drplatypus

... never mind the cardiovascular risk..
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drplatypus, I know that you work in some capactiy for Adelaide hospitial - I have always wondered why there is any danger from elevated heart rate from taking drugs, yet not from actually exercising?

And one last thing...

What other alternatives are there to pills? I know that ploy-drug binges are looked apon with pity by most on this board, but does anyone here have a "cocktail" that they take regualry and believe enhances their life while minimising harm? The main problem I have at the moment is the law of diminishing returns with MDxx.
 
I'm glad your feeling much better now Gooooonee, and this may just have been the awakening you needed to realise it's time to take it easy. I don't have no cocktail advice i can give you, except that everything is moderation seems to work quite well.
 
Originally posted by gooonnneee
...I know that ploy-drug binges are looked apon with pity by most on this board, but does anyone here have a "cocktail" that they take regualry and believe enhances their life while minimising harm?...

You are increasing the possible harms and risks associated with drug use when more than one drug is taken. It is impossible for there to be less risk when there are two drugs involved rather than one.
 
The cardiovascular system is just that; a system, of which the heart is just the pump (a pretty important role!). When you exercise, the entire system responds, like when you are driving a car well, you use both the accelerator and the gears. The Circulation reponds to triggers from higher centres and the changes in blood composition itself to ensure maximal performance. When you take a substance that just acts on one part of the system, it's like putting the boot down on the accelerator, and ignoring the the gears; you will see a change but the engine (the heart) will have to work in a way that puts it under stress e.g. against a circulation that doesn't know what it's supposed to be doing. All the NIDA anti-drug people have spent ages trying to scare pill-takers about the neurological problems of amphetmine like substance use, and completely forgotten/ignored the cardiovascular effects. I apologise if I have over-simplified this; an example of the latest research in this field can be obtained from your nearest uni library
Wijetunga M, Seto T, Lindsay J, Schatz I.
Crystal methamphetamine-associated cardiomyopathy: tip of the iceberg?
J Toxicol Clin Toxicol. 2003;41(7):981-6.
And FYI, I am an emergency doctor with a specialist research interest in the effects and treatment of recreational drug use;)
 
gooonnneee said:
I just had a big weekend - but not too much bigger than what I would consider a "normal" weekend.

What I actually took was more like 15 pills and 3/4 of an 8 -
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8) I think you seriously need to re-think what your evaluation of a
"Normal weekend" is mate.

gooonnneee said:
What other alternatives are there to pills? I know that ploy-drug binges are looked apon with pity by most on this board, but does anyone here have a "cocktail" that they take regualry and believe enhances their life while minimising harm? The main problem I have at the moment is the law of diminishing returns with MDxx.
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I honestly believe the problems you have here is not thinking responsibly about what your doing to your body and looking to drugs to get off your face instead of using them to "enhance" fun your already having.

All IMO of course and none of what I said is intended to be a flame. I just see you going down the wrong road if you don't take a step back and realise the damage your doing to your body.

Respect your body you only got one.

As a side note you should really do a search on Pre/Post-Loading and always stay hydrated, get as much sleep as possible & invest in multivitamins most of the "scatterdness" usually comes from Malnutrition & Sleep Deprivation.
 
Cowboy Mac said:
You are increasing the possible harms and risks associated with drug use when more than one drug is taken. It is impossible for there to be less risk when there are two drugs involved rather than one.
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Ok while I do agree with this statement, I do have to add that in some respect poly drug use can reduce harm. I used to eat 5 or 6 pills in a night in order to get to that really munted state. But then I discovered about candy flipping, and now I can take a blotter and a pill and get the same effect. True, with poly drug use you are playing with fire since you can never be sure of the effects of combining drugs, (either intensity, or health wise) but with a lot of careful reaseach and by experimenting safely you can get a better balance.

Well that's jsut what I've found.
 
Although gooonnnneee appears to be alright this thread made me remember about some research that was being conducted for an alternative non-drug therapy for people who had schizophrenia.

With intensive and constant reinforcement, through a number of techniques, they could help the sufferer distinguish the symptoms of the illness from reality. Going from memory they found that some suffers could live with their illness, drug-free, with what essentially was the use of will power, essentially they were constantly telling themselves that the voice in their head was simply a problem with their brain chemistry and that it wasn't really happening.

It was hypothised that this "convincing" itself subtly changed brain chemistry thus being the catalyst for a reduction in symptoms.

It was a long time ago and I don’t know how exactly successful it was for the schizophrenics but i've always used this "technique" to assist in reducing and calming myself down from the drug induced psychosis that you get when one has had an uber-heavy session. That and valium :)
 
^ can you find a reference for this research? It could be helpful to include it in the post.

BigTrancer :)
 
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