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Cannabis usage before sleeping and dreams

I can't go to sleep after getting stoned.

The only time I can is when I'm either coming down from being stoned or when I'm coming down and I've drank some beer. I've tried to take naps while exhausted and high and I can't fall asleep at all.

I once ate lots of herb about 3g in edibles and I did pass out/black out some but that happens when you eat too much.

As for dreaming after smoking I've had them but I don't remember them nearly as well as when I'm sober. I did have a satisfying night's sleep after smoking all the times I've done it.

I have very vivid dreams while sober and I've had lucid dreams too but I just trained myself how to have lucid dreams when I was a teenager.
 
Old thread.

Long story short, you may fall asleep faster, but you need to sleep longer to get necessary REM rest cycles - wave 4 cycles. When you smoke you stay stuck at wave 3 and fluctuate between 2 and 3, hit 4 for a short period of time, then fall back into 3. 4 REM, when you muscles heal, move, contract, eyes flutter, and when you unconsciously roll around. So yes, cannabis does effect your sleep.

as for dreams, this is because CB/CB2 receptors are loaded around your hippocampus, where short term memory is stored. I don't feel like that needs much more explanation.
 
I rarely am able to recall my dreams when I smoke, but when I do they are some weird dreams. For example, last night I remembered my dream and lets just say it involved crab shacks, lightning storms, the first lightbulb Thomas Edison invented, and Michelle Obama.
 
A friend of mine also regularly practices lucid dreaming and reckons that waking up in the middle of the night and smoking bowl gives the good results.... However I agree that I probably sleep too deeply to dream after smoking, or at least I can never remember them if I do.
 
same here.

No dreams while smoking, or maybe sorta remember little blurs.

Super vivid and easy to remember sober.
 
i never can remember any dreams if i smoke before bed, even the ones i have right before i wake up. things that enhance dreams in my experience are nutmeg, lsa/lsd, ginseng(this especially), kava, diphenhydramine, and other
 
I usually smoke fairly high quality stuff multiple times every day usually between 1 and 2 grams. When I do this I either dont dream or have a very cloudy unclear recolection of something that resembles a dream. I take multi week breaks occasionally to lower my tolerence and I always start having vivid intricate dreams after about 5 days of no smoking give or take a day. Its like clock work some of these dreams have been quite intense and are usually well worth the nosmoking time.
 
Hey everyone, I recently stopped smoking about 2 weeks ago. Before that, I smoked on average once a day before going to bed, but I often smoked more during weekends. I did that for a few months, and I smoked pretty small amounts of good cannabis each time.

When I stopped, I noticed that during these few months, I couldn't remember a single dream I had. Also, during the two past weeks, almost each morning I could remember very clearly dreams I had the past night. Sometimes, I could remember more than one dream and my dreams were so vivid they almost felt real.

Is there anything similar that hapenned to you guys? Does smoking weed before going to bed prevent you from having dreams? Are dreams more frequent and vivid when taking a break from cannabis after a long time of usage before going to bed?

I find the exact same thing. Really interesting that someone else posted that. Pretty cool to find someone on almost the exact same smoking schedule as me :D

Same here.
When I smoke every day, I never have/remember any dreams.
Then, when I quit, I have and remember many dreams every night.
Among my dreams are many dreams about weed - about smoking "by accident" when I was supposed to have quit, or finding some, or trying to find some...
I dream about weed for 3 weeks or more, and then (when my addiction is finally over, as I see it), I stop dreaming about weed.

From the one time I have quit, I did dream about weed. But I do notice that when I stop smoking foreven 2-3 nights I start remembering dreams. I'd love to see a study on this
 
I have the hardest time remembering my dreams if I smoke weed during that day/night..

So I think it's possible that cannabis might suppress REM sleep (the cycle of sleep that you dream in)
 
recently, the same thing has been happening every time I sleep. I get super baked, go to bed around 3 or 4 am, and don't dream. THen I always wake up in the morning and go back to sleep and have crazy dreams that I almost always remember.
 
I generally dream between 6 and 7:40am (that's how long I hit snooze) when I drift back to sleep between alarms. They're usually dreams so close to my real life that I will, for example, go to work thinking I had a conversation with one of my coworkers about something, and realize when I bring it up again that I'd talked to them in my dream. Or I'll think I cleaned my room or something because while awake I was thinking about cleaning it...and wake up and be disappointed because it's still a mess. Either that or I dream about food. Lots of food. Maybe the munchies take over my dreams? I do love my food.

I smoke a lot every evening/night. Well, I also drink a lot every night so I don't have a "clean" pot only answer.

All I remember is before I smoked pot, my dreams were really fucked up and crazy. Lots of nightmares. Not anymore. And I like it this way.

Also, I agree with the people who mentioned melatonin as a sleep aid. There was a while when I couldn't even sleep with weed and I'd take a pill half an hour before bed. Didn't make me drowsy, but when I lay down 30 min later I was ready to sleep. Don't remember my dreams with that stuff, unfortunately.

Well, I don't remember much of anything anyway....lol
 
I have a theory that the sudden burst of dreams might come from lighter sleep. Ever notice how you remember most of the dreams right before you wake up, and have periods of lots of remembered dreams when you go back to sleep after waking up?
 
very old post I made about REM sleep cycles, dreaming, and cannabis. in terms of dreams, lower on, occurs during rapid eye movement sleep, and REM is effected by cannabis in the short term.

second post is a bit more recent, a tl;dr version and more specific to this thread.

*Sigh* I'll give this a go:

It is my understanding that THC is naturally produced in humans, and your CB-1 and CB-2 receptors are the ones that allow THC to bind to them. I am under the impression they are near your hippocampus, or the place where you store short-term memory. Your brain interprets short-term memory while you dream, but if you are high, you don't remember (your short term memory is somewhat fried). This has nothing, or very little, to do with REM sleep cycles or stage 2/3.

To clear things up:

CB-1 regards a naturally occurring chemical in the body known as Anadamide -- often called Naturally Occurring Cannabinoid Compound (similar to THC).
CB-1 receptor refers exclusively to the dendrite of a nerve cell which binds the fatty molecule metabolized THC.

What is the point of naturally occurring THC in the body, you might ask? Well, the best guesses and research I've heard (on various boards and in psyc classes), is to protect the body from stroke, concussions, or any sort of trauma to the head. Also, it helps us during prolonged stress due to lack of sleep or related variables. This is just best-guess work at this point, though, but you can see how it may figure into sleeping.

Since THC is now known to be naturally occurring, it could be that smoking weed may eliminate the need for as much REM sleep as we would normally have. This is odd, though, as REM sleep is where the body gets the majority of it's healing and rest done (studies have found that waking someone up before REM sleep cycle yields... well... sleep deprivated insanity). If weed were to actually lower the amount of REM sleep, I think it would be noticeable, right? Well, when you quit smoking, you get intense dreams, which some attribute to the body "re upping" your natural THC levels.

Based on the fact that we do (I assume all of us here) smoke weed and still get REM sleep (as have generations upon generations before us), I don't think you have much to worry about. Heavy habitual use could produce a dependency upon weed until your body gets used to producing it's own THC again, though, but this seems to be a short-lived withdrawal symptom of VERY HEAVY users.

So, to answer your question: I do not think it inhibits REM sleep so much as our body needs -less-, or thinks it needs less. If it actually did inhibit REM sleep to a significant (scientifically speaking) degree, we would have noticed it by now. Cannabis does have ZERO toxicity and zero deaths strictly due to use (though I'm sure you could suffocate), it's actually safer than a lot of food you may consume on a daily basis.



Does unnaturally occurring THC interfere with REM sleep? Yes. How? Science doesn't seem to quiet know yet. Is it bad? It might be - but to what degree or in what way, that isn't really known. All we *really* know right now is that there is a causal effect. However, this effect does help a lot of people with over-active REM dreaming or night terrors. Perhaps this is a good thing? It was also suggested, once upon a time, that smoking reduces the lubrication in your eyes, so during REM... well... draw your own picture.

To best honest, isn't science still a bit confused about what REM sleep really is? What is the purpose of dreaming, or rapid eye movement anyway? To say that effecting dreams is good or bad assumes that you have full knowledge of a topic you can't possibly have knowledge of at all.

I suggest you look up reports on PsycINFO -- it's an amazing database with a very robust amount of research information that has been peer edited and reviewed. A lot of the info tends to be outdated when you look into drugs though, as a bulk of it was done in the 70s and was funded by the government (Read: Heavy Bias). It is important when looking up publicated research that you understand that ANY research done through a college (a lot of it) is GOVERNMENT FUNDED, STAMPED, AND REPORTED TO. There is still an agenda, but that doesn't mean all the information is bad.

Also consider that cannabis isn't made solely up of THC, but has other properties like CBD and CBN which may effect sleeping. Food for thought :)

also, a shorter post I made, basically summarizing the above.

You're memory IS diminished while under the effects of cannabis due to your hyppocampus being loaded with CB1/CB2 receptors, which are being constantly bound with electrical signals which turn chemical once bound from cannabis... during this time, short term memory is greatly effected as your post synapse is pretty busy either accepting calcium (or perhaps sodium and calcium in your synaptic cleft) or, for simplicity, cannabis chemicals. This effect happens because short term memory mostly occurs in the hyppocampus, so when you are flooding the synaptic lining with electrical signals that are getting you high, you've got less of a chance of short term memory action potential... basically...

also why you don't remember your dreams. there is plenty of threads on this already, try searching.

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I've always wondered about this people who claim too smoke before bed and trip sack in their dreams...

.... Utter bullshit. .
and even if it did happen you wouldn't be able too remember it;)
 
One of the most noticeable things about ceasing cannabis use is the dramatic return of dream recall. When I stopped smoking round the clock everyday, my dreams were so vivid that they were indistinguishable from reality. It was a real headfuck.
Dreams are overrated.
You what? Dreams are amazing. Especially lucid dreams. Becoming adept at lucid dreaming is one of the most rewarding pursuits I have ever engaged in. In fact, I sometimes refrain from smoking just because I want to dream.
 
Yea man if ya smoke about 3 or 4 hours before bed ya might not remember anything at all.
But a whole day and you will have the absolutliest crazy dream.
It can be kind of disturbing if you smoke everyday and stop abruptly, then you remember like alot
 
cannavis lead to fucked up dr3eams for me, although they are foggy,
i have nightmares often though, cannabis also seems to increase the risk of sleep paralysis,

i like alcohol it blacks out all dreams, if ive been drinking for a feqw days and i stop, i start getting nightmares again,
 
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