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Cannabis Legalisation (UK/US) For or Against

dylan007

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So are you For or Against? please start your post with either FOR or AGAINST

i am FOR weed legalisation... and here is why!

For

For example if cannabis was made legal in the UK/US just like in Netherlands, this would increase the amount of Jobs in this country...opportunity for new business development, increase in tourism/nightlife... there would be a large amount of money made from taxes paid on cannabis. I think it would also decrease crime rate as people would be chilled out.

Against

Arguably cannabis causes mental problems if used long term and people would need to be treated costing more money to hospitals etc
 
FOR

In my opinion I think legalisation would be very beneficial. For starters the taxes made by regulation of marijuana would benefit our economy greatly. Regulation of the drug would make it of decent quality and take away the power of the street dealers, eliminating crime funded through the sale of marijuana, certainly.

Hemp could be grown and used to cut costs, reduce C02 emissions, be overall a good new resource.

Legalising marijuana even for medicinal use in the UK would be a step in the right direction. Those who have been suffering in pain who haven't tried marijuana, will have the chance to see if the now illegal drug can make there life all that much better. Those who already use the drug for medicinal value, would no longer have to self medicate under the watchful eye of the law.

Of course i agree if marijuana was legalised, it would have to be age restricted, have quality control, make sure young people don't get hold of it etc...
Certainly educate people on how long term heavy marijuana smokers can/do develop mental illnesses. In a sense i believe if you have a mental illness to start with, smoking marijuana won't help in most cases, but that being said, i don't think it directly provokes onset of mental illness. OR as surveys suggest its hard to distinguish.

We should have the same views in society as we do for alcohol, no smoking and driving, no going to work high etc... If we were privileged enough to be able to smoke marijuana, we should respect though who don't and not let it effect others lives (by stoney people at work being slow).

I personally think with education and the right organisation, should be made legal. Would certainly be beneficial.
 
no man its just i actually seen an article for weed and one against in social education and i was just wondering what people on bluelight have to say about it =)

Also i am going to be doing a survey involving 1000 people whether or not they think weed should be legalised, if it can be proven that 50% + of people believe that it should be legal then why isn't it if we are living in a democracy =)

just a thought, maybe its just me thinking too far
 
I hope you know how to prove you've held extraneous variables constant and what your controls are! :) Good luck sir, more power to you!
 
stand.by thanks very much, sounds great! you seem to have the same thoughts as me on this issue =)

and chainer3k, don't post irrelevant stuff on my thread
are you conning us into writing your paper for you good sir?

Thankyou!
 
Well I mean, I was going to close this thread without reading into it, as there are several threads identical to it.... which I still should do... but I don't mind some new discussion on the matter.

but hey, do what you want with it. Have fun. You won't be getting any of my input senor Rude. How you see that last post as irrelevant is beyond me.
 
it was irrelevant because this is for peoples opinion on weed and legalisation, like in the first post
please start your post with either FOR or AGAINST

you are suppose to say what you think of the matter and your opinion on the weed legalisation issue.. which you never mentioned, this is not an attack on you of any sort and i am just trying to keep on topic of knowing peoples opinions

thankyou
 
My point was relevant, you just didn't understand. I was pointing out the absurdity of asking a board of stoners what the PROs/Cons of cannabis are, unless of course you are doing the same on right-wing anti-cannabis forums as well. You are going to get biased information here from a majority of the responses. Or you'll get half-assed responses like (in the first post):

I think it would also decrease crime rate as people would be chilled out.

Here's mine:

PRO: You will be able to get high legally.
CON: Your wallet will be in sever depression.

No, honestly, we all know taxes and job opportunities exist in the cannabis industry - that is not something that needs to be proven or beat to death - and around here, that's preaching to the choir. As for less crime - this is true, but not because it will "mellow people out" or anything following that logic - instead it will lower crime rates because possession or cultivation will no longer be a crime. Further, the majority of "against" would likely be from those still harboring the propaganda of old and refusing to let go - many of which will not be willing to take a survey or participate on Bluelight, but would however be willing to vote for continued prohibition. The best "against" I can think of would be the dramatic downfall of pharmaceutical companies and the mad scramble of tobacco and alcohol trying to keep their markets alive -- that or people will start regarding Cannabis as "not really a drug," which it most certainly is.

The real question you should be pondering is, "How do you go about convincing people that this is a profitable, taxable idea." Unfortunately, that is the way the world works. Check out NORML, they have a lot of great information I think you should read over. What we need now is a powerful bill that can pass.

I mean really, don't get mad at me because this thread is only half serious. Either way, this post gives you more to respond to and think about than what you were expecting anyway. =D
 
I'm not sure where I stand on this. When I smoked marijuana, I was all about it being legalized, sure.

It does baffle me how alcohol can be legal and weed is so prohibited.
 
FOR

But with controls similar to alcohol, maybe even a bit stricter. I would hate to see everyone growing six dozen plants in their yards... it really does make the neighborhood reek. Limits of 1 or 2 plants per household. Limits for legal possession (maybe under 8oz. for personal use). Fines for unauthorized sales (don't want everyone & his mom to become dealers - make sellers get a license). Big fines or jail time (repeat offenders) for selling or giving to minors. Tokers may need to be licensed too - then the license can be revoked for DUI or illegal selling or whatever.

Part of the problem is that weed is easier to hide than booze and young kids could more easily use & hide weed. I'm talking like <14 or so... their brains are still developing and too much weed or alcohol can create lifelong problems.

The thing is that there is so much shit that would revolve around legal weed that it becomes a huge mess. Look at the situation in Cali now... it's creating massive social problems even though it's small scale and regulated.

Real, meaningful legalization is going to have to move step by step. Start with decriminalization of small amounts for personal use. Keep it like that for a couple of years: study how people use the herb, demographics, volume, etc. Watch the statistics re: arrests, medical problems, weed in schools, etc. Then move to the next level.

Again, as an herb smoker I fully support eventual legalization, but for now I'd just be happy if the man would just leave me alone!
 
Well I mean, I was going to close this thread without reading into it, as there are several threads identical to it.... which I still should do... but I don't mind some new discussion on the matter.

flogging a dead horse.
fun but pointless.

oh and protip: if you are serious about making a legalisation survey,
for the love of shiva dont use words like weed.
call it what its called - CANNABIS. not ganj. not marijuana/huana, not weed.

Cannabis. say it with me.
CAN I BUSS'?
yes i cannabis
 
^ I think the government should be able to tax weed like tobacco and take the taxes away from criminals to fix our economy. But, and this is a big but, I also feel people should be allowed to grow their own for personal consumption without interference. My views are open to change however.

Black markets don't work.
they do for the pharmaceutical companies, the criminals and the people employed in the prison industry. Can you imagine how many people would lose their jobs if it were legal?
 
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You'll find that most people on here will say FOR, it's a drug forum so I really don't think for your poll that using any of the FOR votes will make your poll accurate. You're basically asking a bunch of stoners if they want cannabis to be legal or not, so what do you expect 99.99% of CD to say? To make this really accurate, you really should go downtown and ask random people this question.

That being said...

Of course I'm going to say FOR.

Why?

I could write a novel about this subject. I could go into the history of Cannabis, analyze the motives as to why after about 5000 years of use with little harm done to humanity why it suddenly became legal in the US in 1937(?) which was the real starting point in our current drug war. I could also criticize the current drug war. I won't do any of that, however I will say this: it seems that the current illegal status is designed to make criminals of large parts of our population, which benefits the DEA and the prison-industrial complex.

Now that I got that out of the way...

First of all, cannabis really isn't as harmful as drug warriors would have you believe. Nobody has ever died from cannabis alone in the 5000 years it has been used. Time and time again, the idea that somehow it causes brain damage has been proven false. The talking point that it causes more cancer than cigarettes has also been time and time again proven to be false. Alcohol misuse causes infinitely more harm when you look at it overall (ranging from drunk driving to domestic abuse) than cannabis abuse ever will.

Alcohol prohibition of the 1920's failed horrendously, so I wonder what makes the establishment think that the war on drugs will work. It's like fighting a war on oxygen! Drugs will always be around, just like people who hate the West, just like oxygen. I think this whole foolish prohibition is simply designed to fail, because it isn't a war on drugs, it's a war on us! The only winners in this war are the DEA, big pharma., gangs, and any other groups that would have a vested interest in this war. It's all a game of money. I say it a thousand times, it's the money, Lebowski.

Cannabis also presents a great deal of medical benefits as well, and it does not come with the same kind of overall health detriments that pills being forced on us do.

There are long-term mental detriments brought on by cannabis, but that is really only caused by long-term use, and it doesn't even effect everyone. After all, if someone drinks a bit of wine every night for their heart health, does that make them an alcoholic? No. Another downside to marijuana use is that it shouldn't be used by anyone with pre-existing mental issues such as bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, ect. ect. There are ways to use it responsibly, and ways to use it irresponsibly. And even then, the consequences of irresponsible use of cannabis is BY FAR less dangerous than irresponsible use of alcohol. If you drink to the point of overdose, you could fcking die. If you smoke a ton of weed, you'll probably end up falling asleep or having a panic attack, neither of which are fatal, unless you have a heart condition that would be exacerbated by a panic attack...and even then, it's probably not fatal. I've also read threads on here about people having other problems, mainly concerned with stomach issues (acid reflux?) and collapsing lungs, but those are extremely rare.

/2cents
 
Ramirez, awesome post.

I do not smoke marijuana anymore. But I'd still love to see it's use to be decriminalized. I will smoke again someday, though. Trust me on that. I really miss it sometimes. I just can't start smoking again yet.

I smoked daily from summer 2004 to January 2009. Not huge amounts, and usually only in the evenings and night. Sometimes a wake and bake was fun. Anyway, when I quit smoking cold turkey in Jan 2009, there was no withdrawal at all. Some cravings of course and a little boredom, but that passed within days. There was no physical discomfort at all. I've come across countless reports of daily, heavy marijuana users who do not have a physical dependence. It just doesn't cause much dependence, if any at all.

But, if I don't take my tramadol everyday, I'm stuck in a hellish, painful, agonizing withdrawal.

It just doesn't make sense marijuana is just so frowned upon. There are some negative effects to marijuana, of course. On learning. And it can increase your risk of depression and other mental disorders later in life, but come on...it's not nearly as harsh as alcohol.
 
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