Cannabis isn't the same anymore...

[GingerTripper]

First off, this is my first time posting here. If I break any rules or don't follow the normal form for a thread/post, I apologize. I somehow always end up doing so with forums. But here it goes anyway:

Back in my sophomore year of high school, I first tried weed, and to say the least, it was purely amazing. Before that, I was against highs that didn't involve tripping. My first experience of intoxication EVER was Salvia, then alcohol, and then weed. I discovered what everyone was always talking about. After that first time, I loved it. I started buying at least 3.5-4 grams every week or 2. I was smoking bowls every night. I am definitely not trying to brag, because I do understand there are plenty more people that smoke more than that more often. lol. But to make my point, I was smoking nightly for about a year. Then, I started getting in trouble, but I couldn't stay away. The high made everything better. I was more social, I enjoyed life, I enjoyed everything. Then I took about a year off because I got in so much trouble with my parents, and there was a new testing policy at my job. There was about another year where I was just saving and buying in bulk, but only smoking while drinking at parties. I was the stoner that always brought a jar. Then I saved up for an ounce and a half of Blue Dream for 4/20 in Santa Cruz, and I also dropped about 50mg of 2C-I. That whole day was a blurry, out of body, fucked up trip. I couldn't think, talk, or even attempt to function consciously. I was just watching my body do whatever it wanted to. Then I stopped smoking from April 20th until around halfway through June, where my sister gave me about a quarter ounce. I then dropped about 8mg of DOC, and smoked 3 fat ass joints, and I thought I was going to die. My heart rate went to 210 bpm, and I was blinded by visuals. It was horrifying. At the time, that hell of a trip lasted about 8 or so hours, but to this day, I only remember the first hour or so, and the rest is just a blacked out blur (not healthy, I know). Then, after that experience, I flushed all my weed down the toilet because it just gave me the worst anxiety, and made me feel like I couldn't function on psychedelics as well as I usually can.

I went from mid-June, until August where I started college and smoked weed with some kid on the first weekend. That was the first time I noticed the experience being strange without psychedelics. I didn't talk, and me and the kid ended up watching South Park in my room for a while. Instead of laughing, and enjoying the high, the only thing on my mind was not looking stupid in front of this kid I just met. I just stayed quiet. Then in October, I got weed again, and when I smoked, I just zoned out. Over winter break, I went to my sister's house in Santa Cruz and smoked a bunch while I took 4-AcO-DMT (psilocin), and it was overwhelming. I didn't talk, and I literally went to a visual hell. I felt myself having a heart attack/stroke hybrid, and I was freaking out. I knew the weed was freaking me out because the night before when I used the 4-AcO I was having a blast.

Then, every time I smoked over break, I got anxiety attacks, and I always felt like my throat was tearing and I thought I was swallowing air instead of breathing it. Things were going through my mind that normally wouldn't. I could not enjoy any part of the high. I also noted that I was getting a very strange visual perspective where I could feel the raw energy of 3rd party beings through my eyes, but this was weed...

So I wanted to know, has anyone else ever experienced something with weed, where it just loses it's value, or it's novelty? I can't stand the smell of it, or anything now, and I used to be obsessed. Is there anyway to regain the almost child like innocence the plant used to bear in my mind? Or have I just over used it to the point where it was always scare me? I hope someone can help. I miss the days when I could smoke a bowl, and play some Grand Theft Auto without staring at my wall for an hour and drinking gallons of water to prevent my throat from "burning".

 

[nekointheclouds]

Hey there, Welcome to Bluelight, and to CD. Let me start by saying it is against the rules here to talk about prices. We are not here to discuss what you pay for your drugs, just how to use them. That is a forum wide rule.

As for your case, If you spend even a small amount of time checking out Cannabis Discussion you will see that many many people have this happen to them. Weed can loose its magic for people for one reason or another. In fact it is highly common (like VERY common) to see stories of people who loved smoked week for years, considered themselves stoners, then they have one bad experience that causes them to have a panic attack or bad bad anxiety. And once they have that first panic attack, smoking weed after seems to bring back that sense of panic and anxiety. I honestly cannot tell you how many times I have seem people report this happening here in CD.

But here is what is different in your case: From reading your story it sounds like You had a great relationship with weed up until your started mixing it with psychadelics. You dont mention any negative effect from weed until you talk about 2C-i and the DOC. And here is the thing, I can speak from much experience that smoking weed will greatly intensify the effects of psychs. I am a cannabis veteran but even I am careful to smoke only a bit while I am peaking on any kind of psych. ESPECALLY RCs like 2c-i!! I find that weed will ginerally make any trip feel alot stronger, which is because technically cannabis IS a psychedelic drug.

As I said originally: there are many reasons weed can loose its magic for people. One other major reason is that when you first started smoking your brain was not fully developed yet. Your brain chemistry naturally changes over time, especally while it is still maturing. Most peoples brains wont fully mature till nearly 20, but over time your brain chemistry does change, and doing drugs will effect those changes. Cannabis has changed greatly for me over the years. I started at 13, and the way getting high felt up until I'd say...18 or maybe 19 was different than it is now. Luckily for me I have never had any issues with weed, infact its my damn miracle drug. But I dont keep the same kind of giggly, silly, come up with random philosophical theories kind of high.

Thats just my two cents.

 

[F1n1shed]

I know that feel bro, what caused the anxious highs with me was rolling. I'd smoke weed every day back then, but when ever id smoke closest to my last roll i'd get extremely bad anxiety attacks. And once it happened a few times it would happen more often, but i kept smoking and learned to deal with it. I should have just stopped but i didn't want to give up my favorite drug. I have a strong feeling other drugs can alter the affects weed will give you, especially drugs like MDMA or strong psychedelics like you were taking. I've seen it happen over and over again.

You have 3 options now, you can either give up weed completely (no fun). Or you can start smoking every day, just a little bit until your tolerance goes up and you are accustomed to the feelings so you won't get anxious as often. Lastly you can smoke once in a while but you have to do it a special way. Do not smoke big hits off bongs as those tend to cause an intense high. Rather smoking 1 hit off a pipe, wait 5 min smoke another and wait for it to kick in. If you feel comfortable which you probably will, smoke another hit. Just take it slow and steady, don't jump in a smoke a whole J at once etc.

 

[nekointheclouds]

I know that feel bro, what caused the anxious highs with me was rolling. I'd smoke weed every day back then, but when ever id smoke closest to my last roll i'd get extremely bad anxiety attacks. And once it happened a few times it would happen more often, but i kept smoking and learned to deal with it. I should have just stopped but i didn't want to give up my favorite drug. I have a strong feeling other drugs can alter the affects weed will give you, especially drugs like MDMA or strong psychedelics like you were taking. I've seen it happen over and over again.

You have 3 options now, you can either give up weed completely (no fun). Or you can start smoking every day, just a little bit until your tolerance goes up and you are accustomed to the feelings so you won't get anxious as often. Lastly you can smoke once in a while but you have to do it a special way. Do not smoke big hits off bongs as those tend to cause an intense high. Rather smoking 1 hit off a pipe, wait 5 min smoke another and wait for it to kick in. If you feel comfortable which you probably will, smoke another hit. Just take it slow and steady, don't jump in a smoke a whole J at once etc.

This is very spot on advise. You should start be telling yourself and making sure you realize that is wasnt the weed that caused the issues. it was the combo of too much weed and other drugs. Strong mind altering substances like MDMA and psychs can totally change a weed high, sometimes for the worst. Make sure you tell yourself, and you mentally fuly grasp that weed in moderation is going to give you panic attacks. A big part of anxiety is all in your head. You even mentioned you will start to feel anxious just thinking about smoking weed. Its cause your psyching yourself out.

If you do try to ease yourself back into smoking, do it in a posative way. Do it with people you trust and feel safe with, and in a safe and controlled enviorment. Good luck.

 

[Sir Ron Pib]

Any long term relationship goes from infatuation to steadier calmer more sustained love

 

[nekointheclouds]

Any long term relationship goes from infatuation to steadier calmer more sustained love

Or it ends in a blaze.

 

[JarBag]

Or it ends in a blaze.

Or if it's PCP it ends in a rage.

 

[Fire&Water]

Or if this post has nothing to do with animal tranquilizers your a nimrod.

 

[sartrei]

I wonder has vaping helped anyone? I've read that in cases where people have reported new found anxiety associated with smoking weed (after being a stoner for years ...yada yada) that vaping the weed instead of using a pipe or bong helps. Well that and using an indica dominant strain. For a long time I thought the reason I couldn't smoke weed was because it must have been a sativa dominant strain but I'll soon be able to test whether an indica will help me relax instead.

 

[oscthebooklad]

I wonder has vaping helped anyone? I've read that in cases where people have reported new found anxiety associated with smoking weed (after being a stoner for years ...yada yada) that vaping the weed instead of using a pipe or bong helps. Well that and using an indica dominant strain. For a long time I thought the reason I couldn't smoke weed was because it must have been a sativa dominant strain but I'll soon be able to test whether an indica will help me relax instead.

yeah vaping definitely gives a much nicer clear headed high which is less intense soo won't make you spin out

 

[Half-BaKeD]

I've had this problem to, the way I've managed to deal with its try to get to know the people in the group I'm smoking with as we are cutting,rolling,packing or what have you.
Then when you start out start with small tokes and work your way up slowly so you have time to get comfortable with being stoned instead of taking a huge bong rip to start and it hitting you like a smack in the face.
It kinda sucks that just one bad experience can change everything, but I belive that here can be a vice versa where you have so much fun smoking with people you know that it brings back the magic

Hope this helps any

 

[Artificial Emotion]

Or if it's PCP it ends in a rage.

Or you end up looking like this lady.

"That's PCP, that's that wack shit!"

 

[What 23]

I was smoking every day, multiple times a day, having a good time with it... Then I took a huge dose of 25D-NBOMe, and was unable to smoke without sharp pain in my chest (while tripping), but could vaporize, I found later I the trip. The vape I had was a manual lighter heated pocket vape and it was the first time I used it successfully. But I went back to smoking due to ease, after the trip... But experienced more anxiety due to it, and asthma like responses. I took methoxetamine one night as well... and any time I'd smoke even a tiny amount, my heart would increase speed in an unhealthy way. The next day I pinched a nerve while breathing in, and then it was hard to breath at all for months. It gave me a complex. I regret doing either of those two drugs, because at that point I had for the most part rid myself of any weed anxiety. It was a gift that I fucked up.

Recently, I have begun to occasionally smoke again. I don't get such bad anxiety finally (four months away). But I am choosing not to abuse it/do it all the time. Still... I don't find it is like it was, coming back. Perhaps I just looked to it. Its not that I don't enjoy the effects... But I also value my sobriety. I like to play videogames, and when I get stoned, I can play like one or two rounds of Halo online before I get bored... yet I keep playing... And not well. When sober, my attention level isnt dependent on a drug in any way, and I'm not clouded the same. I end up playing really well, usually... and can play as long as I like.

Edit: Then again, I just played a good amount of time and played well for the most part. But I also have a small amount of caffeine in me, where I never have it. And I forget that I get accustomed to the state and do things like normal after awhile.

I don't know about drugs anymore... But I still respect the places they take me sometimes. Respect them. But it seems sometimes we take for granted these, and push it too far. We put experimental drugs into our bodies.. and they sometimes ruin our ability to enjoy the safer ones... Like weed. At least for a time.

As for your aversion, I would just give it time. Take time away from all drugs. It kind of makes me think of how when as a teen I mixed Sunny Delight with Jim Beam... and became sick, and had a bad response to Sunny D for quite some time after.