Canada flooding U.S. with ecstasy: drug czar

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I bet alot of this crystaly glitter MDMA with alil meth in it is from canada, Iv heard of lbs being in peoples possesion.

If you want american molly your looking at that sass based MDMA, the yellowish/baige though I dont know for sure.
 
bad canada bad krupting america's youth

i know ur prolly being sarcastic but mdma is something the people of the US need very badly. It should be prescribed to every shine and gun-toting redneck and right wing nutjob priest, to get a fucking bird's eye view of their disgusting existance. Not to make it a political thing, cuz its not... (dems need it just as bad)
 
FractalStructure said:
i know ur prolly being sarcastic but mdma is something the people of the US need very badly. It should be prescribed to every shine and gun-toting redneck and right wing nutjob priest, to get a fucking bird's eye view of their disgusting existance. Not to make it a political thing, cuz its not... (dems need it just as bad)
And you put that in parenthesis at the end instead of just including with the right wing nut jobs...to avoid keeping it from being a political thing of course.
 
The governments pretty much always had the numbers, sources, and social affects wrong. I ounce read from a government source online that meth was typically 1700-1800 an ounce, and that coke went for about 750-900 an ounce.
 
Ham-milton said:
in all of my dealings, it's been maily jews importing it. I dunno where he gets his data (the source?), but I always assumed that jews were still in control of the e market?

Israel certainly was heavily involved in this market, but you got to remember theres plenty of organizations doing this and not just one group controlling it. You can easily see that by the contents of the pills going into various regions.
 
John-bo must be worried about the Marc Emery extradition proceedings not going well, so he's gone and tossed a little guilt into the ring.

Don't fall for it, Canada.

Fuck John Walters, fuck the DEA, and fuck the United States government. The world needs to implement a containment policy and it might as well start with Canada.
 
go team CANA-DUH! =D

Cpl. Richard De Jong, of the RCMP's drug and organized crime squad, said [...]"He's just stating the obvious," he said. "We're recognized as a threat country."
aw shame. poor guy :(
 
Ham-milton said:
in all of my dealings, it's been maily jews importing it. I dunno where he gets his data (the source?), but I always assumed that jews were still in control of the e market?
The majority of the worlds MDMA supply is still being made in Holland, and the tablets are pressed there as well, but the shipping to other parts of the world is partially done by Israelian organised crime and other international crime syndicates as well.
 
And you put that in parenthesis at the end instead of just including with the right wing nut jobs...to avoid keeping it from being a political thing of course.

The point is, it is not a political thing. thats sorta like saying this is a racial issue... lol. I just happen to think that some rednecks should be fed mdma. if anything its about rednecks, whose political affiliation happens to be republican.

But also, i was saying that it doesnt matter all that much, violence in america stems from both the "democratic" (and all this means is these people will vote dem if they vote at all) violent subculture where being a "pimp" is considered top of the ladder, and the rednecks who feel threatened by this, its like two forces pushing against each other, both blind to the other side. but im straying off topic, just wanted to clear that up.

As i said, mainly i just hope that ecstasy doesnt replace meth as "drug the media will attack", like in the 90s, this drove the scene underground for the most part, but it never died.

OH, and I got a question, why does our ecstasy always have to come from canada or overseas? (in the NE anyway) i havent heard too much about mdma labs being busted in the us...

Is there no one here that can understand PIHKAL? 8)
 
FractalStructure said:
.......OH, and I got a question, why does our ecstasy always have to come from canada or overseas? (in the NE anyway) i havent heard too much about mdma labs being busted in the us.....
I know serious villains don't always care too much about sentencing, especially where there are huge profits to be made, but I believe America is one of the few first-world countries where you can get life in jail without parole.

I imagine that's enough to encourage most chemists to operate at a distance. Of course the long-arm of the American Law can still twist other countries' arms to get extradition, but if I were a chemist I'd certainly go for a country with far better human rights principles than USA.
 
^^^^ That's probaply one of the reasons why most of the worlds MDMA supply is made in the Netherlands. Criminal organisations will be prosecuted and often get heavy sentences, but not the chemists. The department of justice knows, that, since most chemists who work in MDMA laboratories have studied at the university, and can't get a legal job at any pharmaceutical or other chemistry related company, because they have a criminal record. That's why the department of justice goes easy on them, to prevent them from leaving only one option, working for the underworld instead of a legitimit company.
 
I tried to smuggle an ounce of molly from canada to the us. Let me tell you, if your'e going to do something like that put it in a plastic baggie or a condom. I almost died. stupid stupid stupid
 
Psych0naut said:
The majority of the worlds MDMA supply is still being made in Holland, and the tablets are pressed there as well, but the shipping to other parts of the world is partially done by Israelian organised crime and other international crime syndicates as well.


It usae3d to be mostly jews importing it back in the 90's, now I guess it's more widespread, as far as I've been told in Israel by a trusty source the story went like this: Netherlands had the largest community of Israelis living outside Israel, also the Diamond Exchange Market was partly dominated by Belgium and Israel, these same jewish organizations who used to deal and smuggle and trade illegaly diamonds in the past figured out switching from Diamonds to Pills the profits would increase, and they already had the contacts in Belgium and Netherlands, and smuggling technique etc...In Europe and down here in South America still most of it comes from Belgium and the Netherlands, though home manufactured pills and powder are increasngly appearing.
 
Dutch organise crime has been both the producer and exporter of MDMA since the beginning of time, we don't even had much jews living in the Netherlands during the 90's, I haven't even seen one in my whole life in the Netherlands, I'm serious. A lot of Jews did live, and probaply still live in Belgium, but not much in the Netherlands.

It has always been produced and exported by large Dutch organised crime networks, who are also very active in illegal arms trafficking, prostitution, extortion, money laundering, and for some times, cannabis growing(Because growing cannabis in amounts of more than 5 plants is illegal in the Netherlands, the growing of cannabis is mainly done by organised crime, because of the large profits involved.) I can ashure you it has been in our history since the beginning.
 
The majority of the pills that I have seen around my area have been a combo of MDxx and Meth. Occasionally just meth and no MDxx at all. It's always a let down when you get a pill with meth in it.. at least in my opinion.
 
Rcmp Strikes Back , Calls Jw's Bluff

RCMP debunks claims Canada dumping 'extreme ecstasy' into U.S. market

VANCOUVER - The head of the RCMP's national drug branch is debunking claims by the United States' drug czar, who claims organized crime rings in Canada are dumping dangerous, methamphetamine-laced "extreme ecstasy" into his country's illegal drug market.

Supt. Paul Nadeau said he doesn't know why John Walters, of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, would make such statements in a widely distributed news release without checking facts with Canadian officials.

"I shook my head when I read the release that they put out," said Nadeau, adding he's never heard of extreme ecstasy.

"That term is unknown to us, certainly in Canada, and I can tell you that I've spoken to law enforcement people in the U.S. and they've never heard of it either so it would appear that it's a term that somebody came up with in a boardroom in Washington, D.C."

The release has generated huge media buzz in the U.S., with some news outlets using names such as "turbo-charged ecstasy," which is supposedly flowing across the border from Canada.

In the release, issued earlier this month, Walters warns public health and safety leaders that more than 55 per cent of ecstasy samples seized in the U.S. last year contained meth, a stimulant that affects the central nervous system.

"This extreme ecstasy is a disturbing development in what has been one of the most significant international achievements against the illicit drug trade," Walters said.

"Cutting their product with less expensive methamphetamine boosts profits for Canadian ecstasy producers, likely increases the addictive potential of their product and effectively gives a dangerous 'facelift' to a designer drug that had fallen out of fashion with young American drug users."

Nadeau said there's nothing new about ecstasy - the so-called love drug that gained popularity during the 1990s rave scene - being laced with methamphetamine or other stimulants and that it's been happening for the last decade.

"According to our stats the presence of methamphetamines in ecstasy is dropping," he said, adding tests by the RCMP indicate that currently, about 35 per cent of ecstasy pills contain meth, down from 75 per cent several years ago.

"Why now do they feel the need to announce this to the world?" Nadeau said of the Office of National Drug Control Policy.

Walters' office did not return calls from The Canadian Press.

But John Carnavale, an economist who worked for four previous U.S. drug czars between 1989 and 2000, said Walters is "cherry-picking data" to blame Canada.

He said that's likely because of Canada's harm-reduction approach to dealing with drug addiction, compared with the "user accountability" model American drug czars have preached.

"It was news to me that Canada was allegedly emerging as the source of supply (for ecstasy). Mexicans have really dominated the market, given the data up to now," Carnavale said.

Walters' news release could actually create demand for a form of extreme ecstasy, Carnavale said from Gaithersburg, Maryland.

"If I was a meth dealer in Canada I would certainly rebrand mine to 'extreme ecstasy.' "

Nadeau said that while the RCMP is concerned about drugs being smuggled into the United States, he disputes information in the release that is falsely attributed to the force.

"The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) estimates that the current combined production capacity of Canadian ecstasy laboratories exceeds two million tablets a week," it says.

"We have no idea where they came up with that," Nadeau said.

"In the final analysis this stuff is driven by demand," he said. "If the U.S. population has an insatiable appetite for this stuff somebody's going to be producing it for them so that's the part of the equation they never seem to talk about."

While Walters said in the release that ecstasy use had recently "plummeted" in recent years, Nadeau said that contradicts the statistics.

"If anything, in the last 10 years, synthetic drugs, whether they be ecstasy or meth, the demand for them has gone through the roof."

Scott Rintoul, spokesman for the RCMP's Drugs and Organized Crime Awareness Service in Vancouver, said there's no doubt Canada is a major synthetic drug supplier for the U.S. and other countries, with 65 per cent of the production happening in British Columbia, followed closely by Ontario.

He said that for years, producers made ecstasy from a powder imported from Europe, but that it has more recently been replaced with a cheaper liquid precursor from Asia.

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hxT3PMh5MN3bGimXU2igAciv-YYw
 
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