Can you see "Witchy" eyes?

[Ninae]

Ok, let's look at it like this for a moment, though I didn't really think it would be necessary:

If feelings/energies/consciousness couldn't translate themselves through a screen, how do you think the Movie or TV business would have been possible? Then it would be just like reading a book, with only with words and actions, except with moving pictures.

In fact, the whole industry is mainly based on things like non-verbal communication like body language and projection of feeling/energy. That's how it gets to us and makes us feel something. Identify with a character and take part in his experience, aswell as feel the animosity between him and other characters. In fact, I've heard an actor say: "The words are just an envelope, it's what you put in them that matters" (I'm sure a cliche in the acting industry).

And as any photogrpaher could tell you they have captured countless emotions, energies, and states of consciousness through photographs. Because even in a picture it all shines through the body, no doubt about it, and I think anyone working in the entertainment industry would just laugh at this kind of ignorance.

Or when you see James Dean on screen do you feel nothing? Do you feel none of his feelings, energy, or charisma that is supposed to be the genius his entire carreer was basad on? I think it's the same thing with rockstars. Take Elvis, who was hystericlly worshipped like a god for decades, and people was only exposed to him through recordings, movies, and stage shows. So obviously eyes, face, voice - and just the entire being - can communicate enough energy even through technology.

Or can you watch him sing "If I can dream without being moved"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CMlYVu9J4g

And that was how many years ago, and just a shitty youtube clip, and still you can feel it - at least if you're among those who can feel ANYTHING of that kind. So he obviously still left something of him in there.

Many of you keep accusing me of being superficial for focusing only on the "body". But I've never talked about the body ITSELF, only what shines throughout the it. A human being isn't just body, it also has an energy system inside, the chakra sysem, an energy processing system that enables you to project and receive feelings and energy with others. If it wasn't for that we wouldn't be able to communicate emotionally or with energies, only with words, and that would be pretty boring. There would be no falling in love as there would be no ecstatic energy exchange (falling in love is just as much about energy as about chemicals, the two are very closely connected, as any drug-user should know).

So maybe start moving your attention over here or unless you prefer to remain that superficial - look a the body as a sheet of glass which everything that is inside can shine through. Not that it always will, but it can. Othwerwise any good looking guy could be a James Dean/Elvis, but people know what's what, at least subconsciously.

 

[Ninae]

I was just thinking if there was any more clips I could show...

Oh, now I remember this clip I just saw that overwhelmed me, I was spellbound the whole time. A LOT of emotion is expressed through voice, face, and body there. The singer obviously knows how to manipulate energies in a way that might be described as "magic" by very ignorant and less advanced people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMbNcdoFDRs&list=RD02VzLlwlb1PRI

Wow. Didn't remember it was that good. When he clutches his heart like that and sings RUUUUUUUUUUUN is about the most heartfelt and intense things I've ever seen and nearly made my heart stop.

So no emotion or energy can be transferred through photographic technology? It's just a body that nothing can be perceived through. At least unless you're in the presence of it.

Sorry, but by now I think I've seen too much proof of the opposite.

Also, why do boys become obsessed with music and girls fall in love with popstars if there was no exchange of that kind going on? It takes something to create that kind of love and obsession.

I think the reality of it is, everytime you look at a picture, listen to a recording, or watch a film, some of the energy in it enters you. That's how it gets to you and accounts for some of the uplifting or depressing effects it can have.

 

[CoffeeDrinker]

Was Elvis as magnetic doing those lame movies in the 60's as he was when he made music that white people hadn't really heard before in the 50's?

 

[Ninae]

Could you define 'proper human' for me. I honestly don't understand what you mean?poorly cultivated.

Lower than an average human in some ways. Not in qualities like intelligence and power, but in consciousness, morals, sensitivity. Capacity for violence (emotional or physical). Just not too cultivated.

Surely not not an "ubermensch" - hahah - are you disappointed?

But of course you'll take it in the most negative way, from how this thread is going.

I don't want to come across as nasty or anything. But from where I'm sitting your views come across as being all to similar to those of your average Nazi.

Oh, not at all, never in a million years, woulden't dream of it, etc.

I reckon I'm 1/16 parts Jewish to Scandinavian? How Nazi does it make me? By the way, my grandfaher, who I adored and expect was 1/4 Jewish, was part of a typical, oldfashioned European Jewish family the way it really was and (and not how it had been presented as just a lie). Wealthy, well-educated, businness people with great clout in my city. My great-grandfather was a businessman, his 3 sons becamse bankiers, architects, and head-masters. My granddad wasn't interested in beine a freemason but his best friend (with a Jewish sounding name was). He was one of the most powerful people in my city. A brilliant court-psychiatrist, so that everytime someone in the country had done something comepletely nuts he would be the one to comment on it to the media. Loved his interviews actually.

Anyway, looking into my own family history (or the Jewish side of it) has confused me a bit, as we have always been told it's an outright lie that Jews had financial and political countol in the European countries where they lived. Anyway, I think this was the old order that is gone now, and none of these were horrible people (rather very noble). Just raised with privilige and accustumed to that. My grandfather was virtually a saint, he was the one I love the most, and I'll never forget when he died when I was six. It was my first encounter with real human pain. My mother adored him and transferred those emotions over to me.

Very interesting.

How exactly does this energy system work?
Could you post some evidence for this chakra system?

Evidence?...there are probably a million sites out there that could explain it to you, as it's a major part of the religions of the East and also lately well known in the West.

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

Ninae, one bone I've got to pick with your idea is that all the people you use as examples are well-known and talked-about people. I bet you know and have heard more about them than you may realize, and have probably seen them in more photos and video clips than you can remember. I think there's something to the idea that women whose heads have swelled up and whose hearts have been hardened into stones by the shallow and ruthless world of popular entertainment media are much more likely than you're average Jane next door to display certain subtle facial movements and mannerisms. These might be barely noticeable poking through the carefully agent-crafted image. But over a brief period of watching them, most people who are very socially perceptive would pick up they were catty and manipulative, or all too eager to inflict the pain they endured getting where they are now on some other hapless soul. I digress. I'll grant you that a picture is worth a thousand words, and some photos of some people reveal an awful lot about them. But I think it usually takes a lot more than just one or two still photos of someone to draw a connection between their faces and their character. I'm sure there have been many photos people have taken of you, including professionally done ones (for school, for example) that don't really showcase Ninae at her truest and deepest.

Some of you guys were real jerks to the OP. No respect. What a wonderful world it would be if more of us met the other person where they are when they share an idea. Even one you don't agree with.

 

[Ninae]

Was Elvis as magnetic doing those lame movies in the 60's as he was when he made music that white people hadn't really heard before in the 50's?

Well Elvis was Elvis. There was only one Elvis, and he had a beautiful soul, no matter what his expression was.

In a way you could say there were at least 5 Elvises - the awakward hillbilly who didn't really seem to have it in him to be a rock star (and didn't seem like he had been the alpha male at his school), then when he started making it and gained real cocidence and developed his talents. The hip movements with the sexual image and all that, and put his look really together. That was probably his best time.

But some of his movies aren't that bad (you can't get much cooler than "Jailhouse Rock"). I wasn't a big fan of Elvis before youtube as he died before I was born. My idea of him was more like the typical, macho, commercial, rockstar, which I wasn't really into. But one time I saw a movie of his on TV (don't know which? was interacting with an older woman). And I just though, "Wow, what do we have here? He just had such a strong personality and charisma and so much human and spiritual power at the same time. He also had this sensitive, feminine side to him, that really knew how to relate to women (he was very multi-gifted). I could just tell he was sooooo special. So from then on I had an open mind about him.

So I guess that was the third phase of his life, then there was the slightly fat and unhealthy Elvis, then the VERY fat and unhealthy Elvis, before he died.

Though his 68 comeback in his black panther suit was what really imade him the king. He was magnificint there. That "If I could dream" clip is my favourite, and favourite to listen to when I feel down. He's both very down and takes you up and it's very comforting. He looks very tired and in bad health in it, but they did so many takes, and in the first take he looked very fresh. He just couldn't stand so much exhaustion at the time.

I know his reason for coming here was mostly spiritual, though, that he was almost like a little Mini-Jesus in that he attracted lot of light to the Earth. He got through to so many. It wasn't about his personality, but his soul, and spirit serving the world.

So are you happy with my assesment or will you contradict everything I said?

 

[CoffeeDrinker]

No, I just think we have different world views. And can't my "contradicting everything you said" simply be a respectful disagreement between two affable souls?

Elvis was certainly a great rock star, but when I look at him I just don't find much of his act relate able at all.

The fact that he inspired my favorite musicians like John Lennon, Bob Dylan, and Jimi Hendrix is enough for me though.

 

[Ninae]

No, I just think we have different world views. And can't my "contradicting everything you said" simply be a respectful disagreement between two affable souls?

Relax, it was just a humorous dig. Something this board doesn't seem to get most of the time. But I guess you're most Americans and your humor is a bit different - what is funny to us is offensive to you. Something to do with being able to laugh of yourself and not take yourself too seriously. But I guess evolution takes its time .

Elvis was certainly a great rock star, but when I look at him I just don't find much of his act relate able at all.

The fact that he inspired my favorite musicians like John Lennon, Bob Dylan, and Jimi Hendrix is enough for me though.

Totally different tastes. I love what I see in Elvis aside from the obvious. His noble spirit, his spirituality, his closeness to God.

Do you relate to Ian Curtis? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqUFbd8aAN0

 

[Ninae]

Ninae, one bone I've got to pick with your idea is that all the people you use as examples are well-known and talked-about people.

But who else am I going to use? My local cousins? I use them because people will have been exposed to them or have the opportunity to be exposed to them. I've met people in real life who are just as amazing as celebrities, by the way.

I bet you know and have heard more about them than you may realize, and have probably seen them in more photos and video clips than you can remember. I think there's something to the idea that women whose heads have swelled up and whose hearts have been hardened into stones by the shallow and ruthless world of popular entertainment media are much more likely than you're average Jane next door to display certain subtle facial movements and mannerisms. These might be barely noticeable poking through the carefully agent-crafted image. But over a brief period of watching them, most people who are very socially perceptive would pick up they were catty and manipulative, or all too eager to inflict the pain they endured getting where they are now on some other hapless soul.

Hmm. This is almost a bit too complex for me. I used to feel intimadated by masculine men, because all men in my family were and didn't always make the women in my family happy, or were able ton relate to them or communicate with them at all. So when I discovered there was a different type of man, that was kind of like a mix between a man and a woman I was ecstatic, because finally I saw the opportunity to have a harmonious relationship with a man.

Things change, though, and with time I've come to appreciate masculine energy and learn that you can appreciate each other's differences and respect each other's different needs and feelings (in an ideal siruation - but it does occur). So now I'm kind of inton that too. I just enjoy the feeling of strong attractionn between you that you can't get with a more feminine man, which is more about shared values and needs, feelings, etc.

Masculine men also doesn't have to be evil though. I have an uncle that was so big, handsome, charismatic, smart, and tough he was adored by all the women in my city. Not to mention the love between us as a child.

A good example of a good masculine man - I love this clip and think it's the best feminist song ever made, especially as it's made by men. And because the singer is like 100% masculine and testosterone, and looks like he could get laid 10 times a day. He didn't write the lyrics but you can see he still has empathy and compassion with the female situation. Love the look in his eyes when he sings "Assasinated beauty".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM3N54avEQc

Wish there were more songs with meaning like that these days.

But one thing's for sure, I'm not looking for some guy to "inflict the pain I've endured on some other hapless soul". I'm only interested in getting into a situation where that wouldn't be an issue. If a guy was making me indurably unhappy I would just disappear in his sleep and he'd never see me again, and that would be that.

Some of you guys were real jerks to the OP.[/QUOTE]

I don't mind at all, to be honest. It's they who are more aggrevated than me. There are a lot of bastards here, like anywhere else, and a lot of people tend to post in withdrawal when they're particularly crabby.

 

[rangrz]

Sometimes I have also entertained the idea that I am like a crystal.

You have a lattice structure that is highly ordered in 3 dimensions at long ranges?

Not really, the human body is pretty amorphous over all.

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

Ninae, all I'm really saying is that you've probably formed your judgement on a person based on more than something that can be captured in one pic. When you see or post one pic, you're reminded of lots of other times you've seen or thought about that person.

Frankly, I'd be a lot more worried if you were posting pics of random people in public you knew nothing about, and saying their eyes looked witchy.

It is interesting to consider what conventions artists use when they want to show the eyes of somebody who's not a good person, and why. Are these arbitrary, or do they really reflect a general look in the eye that a lot of not so good people develop? Does life imitate art or art imitate life?

 

[RobotRipping]

^i think a lot of those questions are for sociology - the expressions of the eyes and what they mean will mean different things to different people, especially across cultures. These arbitrary labels we put on everything don't mean anything at all, good, evil, none of it makes sense. I don't see how someone so enlightened can still believe in good and evil (@Ninae)

 

[What 23]

I think evil and lack of understanding have something in common together.

 

[L2R]

tbh, in many of those OP pics, she just looks like she's putting on a happy pose despite being tired, bored and/or simply over the whole getting attention thing.

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

RobotRipping, for the record I do believe that good and evil are valid categories of action. But nobody's actions are all one or the other.

 

[RobotRipping]

well is killing a baby really evil? i mean we kill babies of other animals and that's cool but when it comes to our own it's like, "noo!" Some acts seem truly some evil to us, because of what we believe but there are no objective grounds to judge whether they are evil or not, not even a consensus among all of humanity because that would lead to corruption and even worse issues. that's all i'm saying, don't want to derail a thread about morality being subjective.

as for Ninae, why do you believe in good and evil? did you grow up catholic and that's stuck in your head? if you grew up athiest or buddhist, you would not have these distinctions. ie. it's cultural/societal/religious in nature

 

[Ninae]

Ninae, all I'm really saying is that you've probably formed your judgement on a person based on more than something that can be captured in one pic. When you see or post one pic, you're reminded of lots of other times you've seen or thought about that person.

Actually, she's more like someone I've idolised from I was a little girl, being considered as "The most beautiful princess in the world" and everything, and you know what little girls are like. It's not really about her personally - or, it kind of is now, I guess.

Frankly, I'd be a lot more worried if you were posting pics of random people in public you knew nothing about, and saying their eyes looked witchy.

The way it happened was, she's always just seemed like this sweet, innocent little thing, at least up until she was 25. So this must have been quite a recent development. Anyway, it just so happened I'd been noticing this kind of "look" lately, which I called the "witchy" look kind of for fun, but also because it's somewhat suitable. Or the expression you would associate with an actual witch (like Madonna/Joan Collins) kind of look.

And then one day I saw a recent picture of her (after she had her hair made dark) and I thought "Fuck it, now she has the same expression, and maybe even worse (after all she is Royalty and have you seen her dad? - he looks like something like the guardian to the gates of hell - though he was quite innocent looking when he was young too). So I was pretty shocked by that.

By the way, one funny thing that happened to me one time I was in my late teens, some younger boys were annoying me and when they were leaving I was trying to give them "The evil eye" (just some silly idea I'd picked up from popular fiction, but I guess thought would have been handy right then). Anyway, the funniest thing that happened was, one of the boys pointed at me and exclaimed, "Look! She's a witch!". Hahah.

What do you say to that? Obviously, I'm no witch, but I guess I'm able to project type of mystical, malicious energy through the eyes, or emulate that look myself. It's really a form of energy manipulation, I guess, although I was just doing it subconsciously and mindlessly. I think I was really just trying to project as much energy and harmful intent through my eyes as I could and they interpreted it as "witchy", but not the kind I'm talking about. It was more just to warn them off just to get them to fuck off (and maybe practicing a bit of "witchcraft" in my childish mind). Like, "If looks could kill" kind of thing, and even children have the ability to pick up on projected energies (or maybe more than us).

Anyway, I mean, have you seen Madonna or Joan Collins (the Queen of evil ecstacy in her "acting") at their worst? (I mean, one time she thought she had Krystle she looked like she just had been shot up with a speedball while getting fucked by the devil). Excuse the terminoligy, it was just the realness of it that disturbed me - like that was a regular state for her to enter. I'll try to find some pictures to show what I mean, because in a way these two are better examples. As these types just seem to get worse with age (Madonna actually had a real sweetness to her when she first appeared - have you seen some of her looks lately?) Plus that "Frozen" video where she plays a witch - it didn't even cross my mind until my sister pointed it out to me (was a bit less receptive back then).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbhByOf6dnY

I mean, doesn't it seem like she's revealing something about herself here, rather than just playing about? Going by the serious, sinister, proud expression she has the whole time. And don't even mention Joan Collins. In fact, I think the "darkness" she brought into Dynasty (Yes, I've been watching afternoon repeats) made half of the show. It brought a different, intriguing aspect into it that was a contrast to saintly Krystle and moral blake. Love her in that show though, she's so entertaining and always wins, but sadly not as brilliant in real life (apart from in her own mind).

It is interesting to consider what conventions artists use when they want to show the eyes of somebody who's not a good person, and why. Are these arbitrary, or do they really reflect a general look in the eye that a lot of not so good people develop? Does life imitate art or art imitate life?

Well, it's one thing how artists learn how to paint beautiful and ugly faces, but at least that's just about shapes. But how they manage to put real emotion into someone in a painting, so you can perceive them a happy or sad, and even character traits so you perceive them as good or evil (and not just in an imaginary way, so obvious everyone sees the same thing, like in fairytale drawings, etc.). That is kind of a mystery to me. I mean there's not even an actual photograph involved, only paint on canvas. Only explanation I can think of is there is some way for the artist to transmit the feelings he wants into the paintings.

Anyway, I suspect there's a lot more going on in the hidden world of "energies" (or what some call "The 4th dimension) than most suspect. And those who really have a clue about these things will are just laughing at this discussion.

I was only trying to point out the little I can see - what suprises me is that no one else seems to see it.

 

[Ninae]

And here are some pics.

Very supernatural look in her eyes, there.

Very PREDATORY looking.

Are no one starting to see a similarity soon? Or can you just not read energies or see past the physical? That's alright, as it goes, just thought it would be something interest to point out.

Think Madonna looks more predatory, though. She looks like she's just about to pounce on you. The princess looks more like she's under some type of demonic possession she can't control (or hide well) yet. Joan looks very supernatural in a demonic way there.

They are basically predatory in a supernatural kind of way. I think that's the best description. Some are more predatory and animal-like while others are more "demonic" or supernatural-looking.

And just to be fair, although I wouldn't call him "witchy", I'd definitely call him evil and demonic (you don't get a face like that for nothing), there's some obscure English actor who could work fine as a male example.

(Jody Latham)

 

[Ninae]

By the way, I was crazy about Jody the first times I saw him on TV. He has such a strong personality and is so stimulating - like there's more than one person inside him. And he can project positive energy and love so strongly, much more than most, just as much as he can be evil. So that did impress me.

Then I realised there are a lot of people who are a combination of both and most evil peole aren't totally evil. They also enjoy experiencing positive feelings like love and happiness - like with a child or a romantic partner - even if they can be ruthless with others and even turn around on a loved one on the blink of an eye. It's a misunderstanding to think they're all evil, no matter how evil they CAN be, but that is still their fundamental nature. And some can be very competent at it (especially the older, more advanced souls). Smarter aswell, because you can achieve more by using positive energy (which Madonna has yet to learn or just hasn't the capicity for).

But now I've looked into his nature I just find him disgusting (though great villain). I reckon he's really evil and way out there, maybe not even human. But great actor, of course.

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

well is killing a baby really evil? i mean we kill babies of other animals and that's cool but when it comes to our own it's like, "noo!" Some acts seem truly some evil to us, because of what we believe but there are no objective grounds to judge whether they are evil or not, not even a consensus among all of humanity because that would lead to corruption and even worse issues. that's all i'm saying, don't want to derail a thread about morality being subjective.

Inflicting needless suffering on another sentient being is my working definition of evil. It's to be avoided because it burns bridges, erects barriers, and blinds the inflictor to the interconnectedness of all beings. I'm not going to derail this thread either; this is the bottom line for me on this subject, and at this point in my life I really have no truck with anyone who sees it as useful to call this basic premise into question. I'm sorry if that sounds curt or anti-intellectual, but becoming a father and training in a helping profession that demands all I've got to give has really solidified my position on this and made this matter anything but academic to me.