• Psychedelic Drugs Welcome Guest
    View threads about
    Posting RulesBluelight Rules
    PD's Best Threads Index
    Social ThreadSupport Bluelight
    Psychedelic Beginner's FAQ
  • PD Moderators: Esperighanto | JackARoe |

can you prolong a mushroom peak?

Honestly I can see the mush + moclo combo being very ayahuasca-like - Psilocin is just a huge DMT molecule that has been modified to allow MAO to have a tough time destroying it.

Psilocybin, however, may very well have DMT effects and maybe taking the moclo prevents the 'bin from being converted into psilocin?
 
Ismene said:
Oh please Hebrew. If you think psilocybin and oral DMT are similar then you need to take them more often. DMT visuals are unique to DMT. You don't get anything like them on mushrooms. I've taken mushrooms and oral DMT more times than you've had hot dinners and I know every physical and mental nuance of each drug better than I know the back of my hand.

So forget that theory. We're still left with the simple fact that mushrooms and moclobemide are exactly like an oral DMT trip. If you can offer an explanation then be my guest.
Click to expand...

If you think they are totally different, you need to take them more.

Maybe the fact that Mushrooms + MAOI is similar to oral DMT is because of the fact that both are tryptamine + MAOI experiences.

I know when I smoke caapi and DMT It slows the visual experience down to the point where it is almost *almost* indistinguishable from a standard mushroom trip (this is after smoking changa about 10 times over the course of 2 or 3 hours)
 
Hell take a quarter of shrooms, throw em in a smoothie, chug that shit, and tell me you don't have an experience on par with DMT.........
 
The Hebrew Hammer said:
If you think they are totally different, you need to take them more.
Click to expand...

I'll ponder on that...

DMT visuals are completely different to psilocybin visuals. Yes they are both psychedelic but that's about as similar as they get.

Maybe the fact that Mushrooms + MAOI is similar to oral DMT is because of the fact that both are tryptamine + MAOI experiences.

I'd be interested to see what moclo and LSD is like just for comparison. Perhaps moclo will change the nature of LSD too?
 
LSD is so variable and unpredictable anyway, it would be hard to gauge what effect the moclo had... although I'd make sure to have some atenolol or propranalol handy because I'm pretty certain that combo will cause a huge BP rise.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
Honestly I can see the mush + moclo combo being very ayahuasca-like - Psilocin is just a huge DMT molecule that has been modified to allow MAO to have a tough time destroying it.

Psilocybin, however, may very well have DMT effects and maybe taking the moclo prevents the 'bin from being converted into psilocin?
Click to expand...

I highly doubt this. If moclobemide prevented the conversion to psilocybin, then you would get no effects whatsoever. And anyway, we know what MAO inhibitors do; they prevent the metabolism of various substances via mono-amine oxidase enzymes.

4-Ho-DMT is not really a "modified" DMT molecule; its a comepltey different drug, just as 5-MeO-DMT and n,n DMT are completely different.

That said, I could see that mushrooms may contain DMT as a secondary metabolite; Ismene mentioned taking very large doses.

But still, what is physically impossible is just that; physically impossible. Of course, one may subjectively interpret the MAO inhibited mushroom experience as being very similar to DMT. Its not the same though.
 
It might not be the same but it's so close that the human brain is unable to tell any difference.

I suppose being blindfolded and stroking one breed of dog would feel the same as stroking another dog of the same breed. Two different dogs but the human body is unable to notice any difference.
 
I suppose the only way of making any progress on this is to have a mushrooms and moclobemide party round at my house.
 
I looked through but I don't think anyone has mentioned quercetin yet.

Ima just paste what I posted over on the shroomery..


holy balls. I've experienced the most profoundly pure & incredible method of taking magic (GREAT stress on the magic part) mushrooms.

supplies:

- Lemon juice
- Shot glass
- Dried mushrooms
- coffee grinder
- FRS apricot nectarine energy drink (not necessary but get it if you can, OJ will work too but not as well)

So you pretty much just grind up 5g of dried shrooms in a coffee grinder until it's a powder, then wait a few minutes for all the dust inside to settle. After that, pour the powder into a suitably sized shot glass, cover with lemon juice enough to cover the powder and mix it all up. Stir it a few times and then pour in the FRS/OJ and wait a few more minutes then pound it.

What will follow is the most anxiety/fear/paranoia free, rapid-ass onset, mind-blowingly colorful psychedelic experience of the most magic and other worldly kind. I'm not entirely sure what the requirements are, but I'd say my girlfriend and I had our first ++++ the other night using this method (ok we ate a couple shroom chocolates too)

It was as if we were gods...being able to be anywhere in the universe, feeling the pure fun and bliss of the experience slowly giving new meaning to everything, everywhere. If I could describe the trip in 2 words it would be spiritually awakening. I felt as if my spirit had woken up/come to life for the first time ever. My girlfriend and I felt as if our spirits were one, combining and twisting and merging together in a vibrant display of intricate visuals and euphoric sensations. It gave a whole new meaning to love.

Gotta love the fungus man





** The science behind it -

I believe the lemon juice more or less takes care of the work your body/stomach has to do digesting the shrooms (something about the pH level), as the fungus are quite difficult for the body to digest. When I do drugs I get a sort of visualization of what the drug is doing...I'm not really sure how to explain it. It almost felt like the lemon juice encapsulated all the magical compounds in the mushrooms and carried them promplty straight to the brain, bypassing the digestive agony shrooms often cause. There wasn't a whole hour where I had to sit and be anxious and feel like I'm waiting for something. I just got blasted with color and from then on it was pure fun! Oh, and the FRS actually makes the shot taste GOOD (in addition to the quercetin inhibiting enzymes which breakdown and expel tryptamines from the body). Not tolerable or OK, it actually leaves a good taste in your mouth. You can't beat that Aight done rambling lol hopefully some of you try this and lemme know how you like it



EDIT: I believe chamomile tea also has quercetin, so yeah..
 
Its the fact you powderized the shrooms and I assumed consumed them quickly. I had a similar experience my first time shrooming and was absolutely blasted into oblivion.
 
Hmm, I dunno, quercetin is allegedly a PgP inhibitor, also inhibiting CYP2C9- which doesn't specifically deal with tryptamines- I could be wrong though. I think people on bl have mentioned it as a means for getting high off loperamide :| yeah.....

Best source for it is tea.
 
Ismene said:
So my dear willow, can you explain why a mushroom + moclobemide trip is EXACTLY the same as an oral DMT freebase trip? I've taken DMT freebase orally dozens of times and it's indistuingishable from mushrooms and moclo.
Click to expand...

They are very similar drugs, with similar characteristics. I have friends who swear they have the EXACT same trips on 2c-X vs. 2c-otherX. However those are two different drugs.

Maybe it is just ramping up the psilocybin to the point that you it feels similar in intensity to oral DMT? Either way, eating moclobemide does not magically turn the completely different compounds into DMT.
 
lightitup said:
They are very similar drugs, with similar characteristics.
Click to expand...

No, DMT visuals are are unique - once you've experienced them there's no way on earth you could ever mistake them for psilocybin. And there's a whole load of other differences you notice as you become familiar with them. I don't suppose you've ever actually taken DMT freebase and moclobemide and mushrooms and moclobemide? It seems like there's only me and adrian777 who'se done both. I guess until you've tried both you won't know what I'm talking about.

Either way, eating moclobemide does not magically turn the completely different compounds into DMT.

But it may make them act so similar to DMT that the human brain can't distuingish between the two.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
Its the fact you powderized the shrooms and I assumed consumed them quickly. I had a similar experience my first time shrooming and was absolutely blasted into oblivion.
Click to expand...

meh, that's part of it. it's mostly the lemon juice jumpstarting the whole process your stomach usually has to do.

plus, i've tried mushrooms many times with/without quercetin. it makes a difference :)
 
Ismene said:
No, DMT visuals are are unique - once you've experienced them there's no way on earth you could ever mistake them for psilocybin.
Click to expand...

But it may make them act so similar to DMT that the human brain can't distuingish between the two
Click to expand...

Errr....;)

I would say that the seond quote (regardless of the fact that it contradicts the first post :p :D) is what is happening. There are more similarites between mushrooms and DMT then there are differences; you could say the same about almost any 5HT2a agonist though...

I would say that the common factor in your experiences Ismene is the moclobemide. Obviously, its also psychoactive- and will produce certain characteristic effects. Using two similar substances, and using the same MAOi, makes it virtually impossible to maintain a subjective view on them.

I've never taken moclobemide though...
 
Hold on willow, I'm talking about psilocybin IN THE PRESENCE of moclobemide may be so like DMT that the brain can't tell the difference. Obviously psilocybin by itself isn't like DMT.

I don't think moclobemide is psychoactive - I've taken it by itself and you can't really notice anything.

But I can only speak as I find. If the textbooks say it's impossible then ok. However, if you ever have mushrooms then I'd seriously advise you to get some aurorix and check it out :D
 
^All my points were in regards to MAO inhibited DMT and/or mushrooms. Except when not...um...;) :)

Have you smoked DMT on the peak of mushroom and MAOi trip? A must-do, should-have sort of thing....I think though that ayahuasca (or pharma-huasca) combined with mushrooms is very interesting. I've only done that twice I believe; once by ingesting aya and mushrooms at the same time, and reaching an epic state of psychedelia; another time, drinking aya and taking mushrooms about 3 hours afterwards; which did nothing at all....Tolerance is guess, but even the aya seemed to wear off after eating the mushrooms, more rapidly then normal.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top