Can you have ego death if your not aware of the ego as a concept?

[tvas22]

Not just the question above, but the process of ego death and some of the other startling philosophical debates that go on inside your head when your high come from your own private musings? I've read some trip reports that sound almost philosophical dissertation like. do these effects only occur in people of a certain intellectual level? i mean, could drugs literally place as deep abstract thoughts as are sometimes possible when high inside your head if you have never even touched on similar thoughts before? Also, i know people think a lot of random thoughts on drugs that they wouldn't usually think, things beginning with "hey... i bet this would be funny..." for example, but does the depth of thought required have to already be accessible? Or have people found themselves suddenly thinking about thoughts and concepts they couldn't apprehend before?

EDIT: particularly religious or spiritual thoughts?

(i don't consider myself to be anything but of normal intelligence, in case this reads as me being really pretentious or whatever... )

 

[Arianette]

That's an interesting question that has occurred to me as well, once or twice...

Specifically, back when I used to do cocaine.... There was definitly a night when a friend and I were absolutely 100% convinced we had determined some mathematical equation upon which the entire world was structured. What we scrawled out on several pages of paper over the course of a few hours was the most elaborate algebraic thing I have ever laid eyes on, and the following morning neither of us could make heads nor tails of wtf all those numbers, x's and y's meant.

For the record, I hate math. I despise it with a burning passion, in fact, and avoid all things mathematically oriented like the plague. I intentionally failed Sequential II Math junior year of highschool just to avoid taking Sequential III senior year. That being said, despite my dispassion for it, I still managed to get a perfect score on the math portion of the SATs... so obviously I have some latent eptitude for it...

Very strange.