can you have a good time without drugs?

yes, ive felt the same way before. i used to say to people in AA, "theres NO WAY i can have fun sober...."

but after time, the drugs stopped working. im even more miserable now when im using. you CAN have fun without drugs/alcohol. it is possible. sometimes life can feel so amazing, just being alive, taking everything in...sometimes the 'high' from living life sober can be 1000x better than any high from a drug...ive felt it before. i know its real. it can happen. you DONT need substances to have fun. overtime i think you will see [as most addicts do] that getting loaded and being high isnt even fun anymore at all...youre even worse with the drugs than without.

sometimes i love being sober. its like nothing else in the world.
 
yes, ive felt the same way before. i used to say to people in AA, "theres NO WAY i can have fun sober...."

but after time, the drugs stopped working. im even more miserable now when im using. you CAN have fun without drugs/alcohol. it is possible. sometimes life can feel so amazing, just being alive, taking everything in...sometimes the 'high' from living life sober can be 1000x better than any high from a drug...ive felt it before. i know its real. it can happen. you DONT need substances to have fun. overtime i think you will see [as most addicts do] that getting loaded and being high isnt even fun anymore at all...youre even worse with the drugs than without.

sometimes i love being sober. its like nothing else in the world.



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Agree with this 100%

Ive had several times in my life where im standing there soaking everything in & just smiling & feeling that warm cozy feeling w/o using drugs. Believe it or not, ive felt that euphoria that hydrocodone gives off w/o actually taking the drug. I mean, not to that extreme but it was there.

Last summer when I was sitting by the pool with my gf & everything was going great, I was just thinking to myself, things cant get any better than this & I got this overwhelming feeling of contempt & comfort that everything is alright.

I use to get that feeling all the time when I was younger. of course as you get older, you acquire "real" problems in the world & things tend to get out of wack sometimes & when I got my first glimpse of depression, I didnt like it & that is when I turned to drugs. I really dont think I would have ever done drugs if not for the depression because for me, drugs were never done to have a good time, just for escape.
 
It's sad, I can't have fun without my opies. No fun. None. Well, maybe every once in a great while. But damn, those times are few and far between. Opiates are my medicine. Very cliche' I know. The only thing that will wipe away all of the depression and crippling anxiety I have just happens to be an exogenous chemical, rather than my own. Maybe a deficiency?? I don't know.

But when I use opiates I never do enough to nod, and I can always "feel" emotions just as much as if I weren't on them. So. That being said, I can't dismiss all of the god-awful times I have endured whilst being an addict. The desperation was un paralleled to anything I have felt before. There was a period when I spent more time dopesick than well. That was fuct.

But still, I sit here sober as a Mormon and oh so bored.

One thing I love about my DOC is the motivation I seem to acquire while on them. I mean, WOW. I become so outgoing. And that includes being sick as a dog, motivated as HELL to go over there and jack that car, or roll that dude walking away from the ATM.
 
I feel you MACstar , my main motivation is to make money / buy opiates. It's a bleak reality and I slipped right back into it in a matter of days. I do not, however, feel emotions the same way at all. As a matter of fact that's why I use opiates, life becomes so grim - I get suicidal - all of the "coping" mechanisms I'm aware of stop to work (time for new ones, no?).
I've HAD fun without drugs - but it's like anything , you become spoiled to it. I rarely / if ever can catch a nod these days - but still would rather be sick for days and have one day feeling good then being sober. Not at this point, at least.
 
spoiled is sure a good way of thinking of it. when actively using, it was like I am the kid in kindergarten whose mom would always bring shit for the class and get bribed to do everything

in this way dope would be my end all be all. I guess in a sort of way it still it, but now it's a much healthier (and, of course, I'm sober...) kind of obsession. then again, dope is no longer akin to God or my higher power or whatever, so really it isn't sooo... (haha, if that makes any sense :\)
 
I had trouble having fun even before I took drugs. I'm not addicted but I don't see a reason not to take them because they are all I look forward to. It's seems really odd to me and I don't know why but I don't find anything very pleasurable.
 
My DOC was depriving me of fun at every turn in the end....I would only use it to stay at home and clean and/or read by myself anyway (and to suppress my appetite when I was too lazy/lightheaded to exercise). And the comedowns were killing me in every imaginable way, unless I had benzos, which were becoming increasingly difficult/costly to acquire in the amounts I was beginning to need. So I had to make an honest decision to turn my life around for the better, which has so far involved cutting contact with quite a few people, as well as behaviours that no longer support my resolve to move forward. The second part has been surprisingly easy (since I've wanted to move forward for a while), but cutting the people out is proving tough (though I always knew it would be) - no matter the cost, though, I'm glad to be feeling sober - all stims ever did in the end was make ne feel antsy and even more anxious than usual.. NOT my idea of a good time :|
 
All drugs when used more then intense moderation will cause you and everything/one around you more harm then any amount of high it gives you. And the longer you do this the more intense it gets cause there is always further down.

The key is to practice unconditional acceptance and forgiveness to everyone and try to love yourself as much as you can constantly and you'll find you can love yourself more and more as time goes on. We are all connected and any amount of pain/fear or love/good you give out to anyone else is given back to you exactly equal, if not in this life then in the next or the next or from the one before.

All drugs do is stimulate different areas of the brain based on what our set and setting is, how intensely you experience the subjective moment, and also the current state of your brain from how it has developed until now. This is what gives you any sober high and it can be just as blissful as any drug, it just takes patients to get; whereas drugs are instantly gratifying but will cause you worse moments in the future from a lowered equilibrium. I believe how much you can love yourself and others(also part of you) will effect how fast you can return to the sober equilibrium you had before abusing drugs.

Now social interaction, love of another, sex, playing games, telling memories with another person can give off the same stimulation of areas of the brain that drugs effect but I believe in a theory I came up with that when we die all our spirits eventually come together along with all the matter in the universe to form the big crunch. When this happens we all become some sort of god but maybe their is still a higher one, then once together we can feel utter bliss and knowledge of each others memories and secrets and we can know everything and see all the wrongs we did. But we can only try to achieve a better life in the next body, so we all split up by some cosmic force(big bang) and our spirits eventually go to wherever it is they should go based on our karma, except when we make the split or when we form a new vessel we lose all our previous memories and gain free will again.

Once we can live a life where we all are unconditional acceptance and forgiveness anyone who makes evil energy we can instantly say well that happened and i'm ok you felt that way & I forgive you for that mistake. Bam instantly that negative energy isn't spread to any more people whereas if we aren't these things we'll dwell on the words they cast on us and be fearful of them and be forced to tell them onto others. But if we don't all our children will be born into a life that they never hear words of negativity. Eventually if this happens I believe we can all find our "soul mate" that loves us fully as we love our-self and them and it will cause a chemical high greater and more ineffable then any out side drug could ever hope to achieve. Just thinking of talking to this person later or seeing them later will get you high as fuck. Then actually being with them again will be amazing. There will be no cheating on each other because if someone does they will realize they don't get nearly as good of a high from that evil energy and also everyone involved will just forgive each other and forgot the negative. This can happen now as well, in this moment if you start the change, you'll be able to feel bliss in social activities, a lover, and just moments you have to do repetitive tasks, you'll just never get the high higher then ineffable bliss until we can all restart this universe enough to get it "right"

Nirvana on earth? These concepts and ideas have just come to me for some reason in the past few days and I felt I needed to share my whole idea to see how many of you could believe it or just think I'm crazy! <3
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