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Can you get diabetes from insulin abuse?

mrjackjones said:
don't be stupid.
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I realise that there are risks, including death. That is why they use short acting slin like humalog etc. Howvever many bodybuilders including pros use slin.

Most bodybuilders start off with a low dose like 2ius then work there way up to the levels they consider safe.

im asking because there is no consensus in teh bodybuilding community. You can get diabetes from bad diets high in sugar... so can you get it from slin itself?>
 
geez. just work out normally. do push ups on your fists and extend all the way on pull ups. it will work.
 
Abusing ANYTHING that fucks with hormone levels can cause serious bodily disturbances, not to mention mental ones. It would make sense if abusing insulin could cause diabetes, but it can probably cause a hell of a lot more than just that over time.
 
Did anyone (except maybe nguboi) even care to answer or is everybody only talking shit? Seems like the OP doesn't care neither if insulin works for bodybuilding nor if it "fucks up" lots of other targets... GEE! If you don't have anything useful to contribute, plz stay quite.

With respect to the question:
Depending on frequency and duration of the insulin-abuse, Diabetes is indeed within the possible consequences. Type 2 seems to me like the more probable option.
A constantly raised level of insulin leads finally to a decreased insulin-sensitivity of your receptors (sometimes called "insulin resistancy"). Under certain circumstances this can be irreversible. One could compare this effect to the aquired (!) diabetes of people with heavy overweight.

That even type 1 diabetes is not out of question shows the following example:
Diabetes 2002, 51, p.3237:
Insulin has been used to modify T-cell autoimmunity in experimental models of type 1 diabetes. In a large clinical trial, the effect of insulin to prevent type 1 diabetes is currently investigated. We here show that insulin can adversely trigger autoimmune diabetes in two mouse models of type 1 diabetes, using intramuscular DNA vaccination for antigen administration. In female nonobese diabetic (NOD) mice, diabetes development was enhanced after preproinsulin (ppIns) DNA treatment, and natural diabetes resistance in male NOD mice was diminished by ppIns DNA vaccination.
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Our work provides a new model of experimental autoimmune diabetes suitable to study mechanisms and outcomes of insulin-specific T-cell reactivity. In antigen-based prevention of type 1 diabetes, diabetes acceleration should be considered as a potential adverse result.
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Of course, one must always be careful when making assumptions from animal experiments to the human metabolism, but the study shows that such reactions are in fact possible. If you read the above quotation carefully, you'll see that the original expectation is a protection (!) against diabetes by additional insulin. But, as was shown, the whole story is far more complex and paradox sidereactions can not be excluded.

Peace! Murphy
 
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^injecting insulin for reasons other than diabetes management is stupid. thats my advice.

you are just being self-righteous. get off your horse.
 
Injection of diacetylmorphine for other reasons than treating severe pain is IMO stupid, too. But thousands of people do it anyway...
DOH! That's just not the point man! Of course it is absolutely idiotic to take insulin for other than therapeutic reasons (everybody who thinks something else is just a dumbass), but the question pointed in a totally different direction. People here at Bluelight are asking fucking dangerous things all the time, but normally nobody cares... Why now?

you are just being self-righteous.
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Nope, that's just not true. Read some more of my posts in ADD and you will see that this statement does not bear any truth.
 
mrjackjones said:
^injecting insulin for reasons other than diabetes management is stupid. thats my advice.

you are just being self-righteous. get off your horse.
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Really? I thought using real evidence was being intelligence and using morality based judgements as answers was self-righteous?

Or are you just using words because you like the way they sound?
 
surface level observation of the intended behavior. im not a professional in insulin use. though i could have taken some time to find a quote...
 
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