Can weed cure pain?

[TheFunkeeJunkee]

Let's not exaggerate the subjective benefits of the drug.

If you read the literature, it can both decrease or increase pain perception.

It tends to help me with headaches (but can also cause them...) and general inflammation, but every time I take cannabis with physical or visceral injuries, it makes the pain worse and more perceptible.

Cannibas has gone from a demonized drug with no recognized medical use to a panacea capable of curing even cancer with no known toxicities.

The sooner everyone gets real about Cannibas the better. I am sick of hearing people in my own personal life, even those who do not and have never used drugs referring to supposed benefits of Cannibas that there is no known evidence of.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Doctors have said that Cannabis is far from harmless, but that it had less dangers/costs than any other thing in their arsenal for pain giving that level of pain relief. Cost/benefit ratio.

Gabapentin and Pregabalin also work only to various degrees for different types of pain.

The chronic pain thing I live with is also kinda centered in the neck and causes pain and extremely tight and inflamed muscles elsewhere. Pot is also almost magic for me. I can be in bad pain, take 4-5 hits, and just feel it all melt away over 5-10 minutes.

Pot also helps with lower back pain for me, but it's not 100%. I have to remember to walk a lot if my lower back is in bad shape. Pot will help a lot with the muscle spasms but make me less active so that things can get worse. Always helps in the short term, but can be counterproductive long term if I don't walk a mile or so a day to keep things loose.

Something like pain after surgery, it will make a little dent in, but I would need an opiate if it was severe.

 

[Mjäll]

Cannibas has gone from a demonized drug with no recognized medical use to a panacea capable of curing even cancer with no known toxicities.

The sooner everyone gets real about Cannibas the better. I am sick of hearing people in my own personal life, even those who do not and have never used drugs referring to supposed benefits of Cannibas that there is no known evidence of.

Humans do that weird pendulum swing on some things. So tiring.

How hard is it to just not know the stuff you just don't know? Why the need to assume? We know why of course but still frustrating.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

It's a powerful illusion. Because opiates both continue to "treat" pain but also increase it, due to tolerance to the substance, the chronic patient will still perceive the drug as working. It is technically still "working" but is only treating the pain down from the extremely elevated state it has caused; for a short time it seems to work and then the patient will be relocated to a much more severe pain level than if they never took the opiate as it begins to ware off. Given long enough, with no dose increase, a chronic use a patient will likely almost reach a state where the pain level experienced during the effective period of the dose would be the same as if the opiate was never taken while the withdrawal period is much worse.

Edit full paper

https://www.painphysicianjournal.com/current/pdf?article=MTQ0Ng%3D%3D&journal=60

It's interesting that many people are reporting an increase in pain associated with cannabis.

Sure the baseline pain scale is always being raised with opioids but increasing to a much higher opioid dose will always bring a pain score down in the immediate.

While cannabis brings the pain score up if the dose is increased in the immediate.

What I’m really interested in is the contribution to your baseline pain when the cannabis wears off. Ok it wears off and your pain drops. But does it drop to its original baseline or is it now at a new elevated baseline…I worry the later situation might be true; especially considering how long cannabis lingers in the body. I’d love to see studies on it because a lot of ppl on Reddit r/chronicpain also report weed high amplifying the pain…but there hasn’t been much discussion on what cannabis use does to a person with chronic pain overall high or not. If it causes some sort of semi permanent hyperalgesia like opioids do…that’s a big problem for cannabis as a pain med especially considering it can’t handle moderate or severe pain well in the first place. While opioids can handle severe break through pain episodes and while cannabis does work as a pain med for some…I’ve never heard anyone say it can handle any sort of breakthrough severe pain

 

[brokedownpalace10]

I may be wrong, but my opinion (to restate it) is that Cannabis can handle some types of pain and in some people. It sure handles moderate and what can be pretty debilitating chronic pain in my case. As a for instance, if spasms are a thing, or chronically tight muscles (like many back issues have as a big part), it may be of more use. Yadda. It depends on type of pain as much as or more than severity.

As to "some people". Some people get paranoid or anxious on pot and some don't. Doesn't seem a stretch to say that some will focus on the pain more and some won't as much.

IMO, the fact that it is variable by type of pain and by person is kinda proven by this thread. You have people swearing it's magic and you have people saying it's no better than Ibuprofen.

Pain is a subjective thing. Everyone is right for them and their pain, but no one can say what it is for anyone else.

@LucidSDreamr for me, and I did this countless times in my 40's, if I smoke all weekend, am without pain all weekend, and then stop on Monday, I have a pot hangover on Monday and the pain is still a lot less. It comes back over a couple/few days. As far as an elevated baseline in the long term, I don't know.

 

[neversickanymore]

@brokedownpalace10 We also have people stating it accentuates acute pain though?

 

[LucidSDreamr]

@brokedownpalace10 We also have people stating it accentuates acute pain though?

I wouldn’t say it has any effect on acute pain just elevates chronic pain in myself

 

[LucidSDreamr]

l As a for instance, if spasms are a thing, or chronically tight muscles (like many back issues have as a big part), it may be of more use

I find weed causes muscle spasms out of nowhere especially if heavily abused.


I will say that it can definitely attenuate the psychological distress that comes with pain even if the pain itself gets elevated my emotional reaction to it can be tempered with weed

Some areas of chronic pain research (mind body resesrch) have shown that stress worsens pain.

So stress response might be a mechanism whereby the ppl that do get pain relief actually get it

 

[brokedownpalace10]

@brokedownpalace10 We also have people stating it accentuates acute pain though?

Doesn't seem a stretch to say that some will focus on the pain more and some won't as much.

I find weed causes muscle spasms out of nowhere especially if heavily abused.


I will say that it can definitely attenuate the psychological distress that comes with pain even if the pain itself gets elevated my emotional reaction to it can be tempered with weed

Some areas of chronic pain research (mind body resesrch) have shown that stress worsens pain.

So stress response might be a mechanism whereby the ppl that do get pain relief actually get it

I definitely get pain relief which comes from tight and spasming muscles relaxing. Also takes my mind off it, yes. I can have my neck so tight that it pulls my shoulder up and then my back goes crooked to keep my head straight. Elephant man shit. Take a couple tokes and focus on relaxing it and after a while I can just relax that muscle and drop my shoulder like putting down a weight.

Outside of this thread there are probably thousands of people using pot for pain relief of some sort. My daughter finds the only thing that comes close to pot for relief of her migraines is Triptans which are very expensive. I have an ex who said same for her migraines.

I'm not saying it is wrong to say it doesn't work for you. I'm not saying that it will not cause some people to focus on the pain. It definitely seems to work on some types of pain better than others. I wish it worked well for you
It's more than just stress relief in myself at least.

 

[neversickanymore]

I definitely get pain relief which comes from tight and spasming muscles relaxing. Also takes my mind off it, yes. I can have my neck so tight that it pulls my shoulder up and then my back goes crooked to keep my head straight. Elephant man shit. Take a couple tokes and focus on relaxing it and after a while I can just relax that muscle and drop my shoulder like putting down a weight.

Outside of this thread there are probably thousands of people using pot for pain relief of some sort. My daughter finds the only thing that comes close to pot for relief of her migraines is Triptans which are very expensive. I have an ex who said same for her migraines.

I'm not saying it is wrong to say it doesn't work for you. I'm not saying that it will not cause some people to focus on the pain. It definitely seems to work on some types of pain better than others. I wish it worked well for you
It's more than just stress relief in myself at least.

It works great for me but currently I am prohibited from using it due to professional testing. I was a mmj care giver for almost two decades and I never encountered a patient that found even the "wrong" strain pain amplifying. Not saying it doesn't happen.. just interesting that others are experiencing this.

Its subjective like all drugs.

Id really like to be allowed to use it wo fear of profesional consequences.. some really severe. That and Nsais are great imho, but are not healthy taken regularly. Not nearly as healthy as low dose cannabis as an anti-inflammatory. Thats what I will be using it for.

From my patients many found relief for migraines but many others didn't. id say it was about split. I found that many found relief from learning pressure techniques for stretching their vascular system in the head.,. using techniques from clearing your ears scuba diving. Repeatedly using induced pressure to stretch the brains vascular system.. yeah it hurts like hell.. but if the migraine is gone in 5 min worth it. Safety not determined yet.

 

[Chihuahua gang]

It can. It depends on the strain/genetics (cannabinoid and terpene content) and how it's consumed.

But it depends on the person mostly ime. Often times someone won't know what to look for if you havent really got to experiment. It's hard to take someone's advice to not everything works for anyone else.

Real deal pain cannabis doesn't do much for me unless its RSO and its basically like a opiate at that point in the relief and relaxation department. Some strains do work better than others. Also look into concentrats/edibles if you need real relief. It does help but not like a opiate. I'm not recommending opiates by any means just my experience.

Also sometimes things that can provide pain relief can have the opposite effect imo. I forgot the terminology(researching shit drunk) on it but it is a researched phenomena. Iv had it happen to me with a few things over the years.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

It works great for me but currently I am prohibited from using it due to professional testing. I was a mmj care giver for almost two decades and I never encountered a patient that found even the "wrong" strain pain amplifying. Not saying it doesn't happen.. just interesting that others are experiencing this.

Its subjective like all drugs.

Id really like to be allowed to use it wo fear of profesional consequences.. some really severe. That and Nsais are great imho, but are not healthy taken regularly. Not nearly as healthy as low dose cannabis as an anti-inflammatory. Thats what I will be using it for.

From my patients some found relief for migraines but many others didn't.

I did without pot for around 20 years to raise my daughter and also because I would have been drug tested with even a minor accident. As a machinist, I got a few stitches a few times.
I did PT and a lot of exercises and my GF at the time learned to do massage on it... and I worked in some pain a lot.
I don't know if you are in a legal state, but some are banning workplace drug testing. Don't know if that would help in your case, but good luck with it all. There's a light at the end of every tunnel. Some tunnels are just longer. Sorry if I came across snickity snark.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I can have my neck so tight that it pulls my shoulder up and then my back goes crooked to keep my head straight. Elephant man shit. Take a couple tokes and focus on relaxing it and after a while I can just relax that muscle and drop my shoulder like putting down a weight.

I got a tight neck too (although that’s not my chronic pain condition). And if I smoke weed the pain score easily goes up 2 or 3 points on the ten scale.

I’m more addicted to weed than any other drug. I consider it the most versatile recreational drug that exists. I’m definitely not anti weed

But unfortunately it fucks with my pain.

 

[kiely]

^^ Weed can intensity the effect. And intensify feeling also.

But it definitely helps me through my pain ?

God bless, and I mean that sincerely, I do.

 

[kiely]

And the wax dabs actually make me float for 15 minutes

and recline and relax from Pain at the same time

the exact same effects as a Norco.

it's actually awesome


true story

 

[brokedownpalace10]

I got a tight neck too (although that’s not my chronic pain condition). And if I smoke weed the pain score easily goes up 2 or 3 points on the ten scale.

I’m more addicted to weed than any other drug. I consider it the most versatile recreational drug that exists. I’m definitely not anti weed

But unfortunately it fucks with my pain.

Do your neck issues refer pain to other parts of your body? Like down your arm an in your shoulder in my case. Sometimes all the way to the hand and it gets numb and I can't grip well.

 

[daturetard]

It definitely helps with pain but don't expect anything to 'cure' chronic pain. That's an expectation that will never be met. Not for long, at least. This is meant in both reference to tolerance and the fact that no one, or even known combination of receptor/s is solely responsible for pain and it's regulation.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Do your neck issues refer pain to other parts of your body? Like down your arm an in your shoulder in my case. Sometimes all the way to the hand and it gets numb and I can't grip well.

No, that sounds like a disc and nerve issue. My neck is just the trap and neck muscle being so tight after excessive work or excercise that it hurts

I had the radiating in my lower back many years ago that had to be corrected by surgery. Lower back pain plus radiating pain into the thigh, ass, and fooot. Weed also made that worse while high.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

don't expect anything to 'cure' chronic pain.

I don’t know if this statement is in regards to weed or not but I just want to say I went through a lot 12 years of chronic back pain and surgery and disability and can say these days I am cured. I am super physically active now days and haven’t had back pain in about 6 years.

Drugs certainly helped me maintain a job for a while with all this pain until I was bedridden and it was too much and I went for surgery.

Drugs certainly played their role. They may have prevented suicide the pain was so extreme. They prevented homelessness and allowed me to finish graduate school in such extreme pain; so drugs work, for a certain extent. I was still in tons of pain but this would not have been possible without drugs. I was prescribed fentanyl eventually and it made a lot possible and minimized a lot of suffering.

But the actual cure came from
Surgery, followed by weightloss and lots of core strengthening starting very slowly.

Just want to give ppl hope that spine pain isn’t always a permanent thing like it is for some ppl.

 

[Jeanpauldash]

I seriously don't think so. I found a weed vape on the ground the other day and threw it back on the ground -_-