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Can u use methadone tabz like suboxone???

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tyson101

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sup everyone ...
tryin to get rid of a 300 to 400 mg a day oxy , im trying to get hold of some suboxone to do a SHORT TERM TAPER 3 to 5 days,its hard here i live in australia and my family doctor cant prescribe it ,instead he gave me 20 tabs of physeptone 10 mg (methadone tabs) to taper with,im shit scared of that shit lol and dont wanna be switching one habit for another coz and i know just how nasty methadone is which is y im not touching it just yet, maybe if i run out n im stuck with noting else i might use it for 3 days and do like 20 mg 10 mg then 5 n throw the rest away, just to ease the w/d.
unless i get suboxone im only left with this option and not sure what to do.
plzzzzzz guys can anyone shed some light on this physeptone i have and if i can use it ...

1:can methadone tabz work like suboxone if u wanna do short term taper??

2:iv read of some ppl having a bit of success with short term taper with both,anyone from experience ??
 
Yeah you can use methadone for a taper, back in the day it was the staple before they came out with subs. I did exactly this when I was in a rehab and they gave me methadone that dissolved foamy into water in a cup. I'm not sure what mg it was but every day they gave me less and less.

Give it a try, maybe start with 30 mg the first couple days. Go down from there. Keep in mind no withdrawal is going to be painless, you will feel uncomfortable due to the high oxy doses you were taking. But it's manageable and you can get through it. If that's not enough, you can ask your doctor for more but go ahead and start this detox. You'll be glad to get it over with!
 
At the rehab, I was only using it for five days and the last day I was able to go home.
Happy ending was meant to happen after this but instead I relapsed. :(

Eventually I got clean though!
 
mad thanks alot , i hear alot of horrible stuff about it n its probably true but they been on the methadone for ages and in high doses ,where is i only intend on using it for 4 maybe 5 days max, and as low a dose as possible.
i know it wont be painless after such a big habbit but like u said its better than cold turky, y are there so many ppl against it tho ? the ppl that have done it say good things about this process and trust me iv searched and searched and search lol the ones that have been through it say it worked for them and you are one of them.
again im greatfull for ur reassurance MR Moderator aka T.Calderone..

can i use clonodeine in the process?
 
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when i start this 4 day taper im thinking of starting at 30 mg day 1, then 20 mg day 2, then 10mg day 3, then 5 mg day 4 and thats it,then jump off.
i have 20 of the physeptone 10 mg tabz which is more than i need so i should be sweet hopefully, im expecting not to feel the best after day 4 for a few day,
but again i say it should be better than cold turky from what i read so far from ppl that have done this taper,some went 5 days others 7 days n some even 10,but i dont wanna even come close to dealing with methadone w/d so keeping as short and as low mgs as possible,just to feel comfortabe n sleep, i dont mind feeling crap during the day as long as i can sleep at night.

plzz anyone feel free to say something if u have experienced wat im about to attempt,or if u know someone that has, plus any coment on clonodeine while one methadone???

starting tomorrow monday 17th. wish me luck.

god bless.
 
Yes you can do a short taper with methadone. It's very effective.

Short term tapers in general are great if you're not looking to go on maintenance and want to just get a detox over with. Keep in mind though, the shorter your taper, the more you will feel the withdrawals.
 
Sweet thanks bro , I wouldnt mind going a bit longer but I really don't wanna risk going through methadone w/d .
so u mean after the taper is over il feel the w/d or during the taper ?
 
^^

If you're on a high dose of opiates, and taper fast, you will feel the withdrawals while you are tapering, and afterwards. They just wont be as bad as going cold turkey, but you'll still feel them. There is no way to eliminate the withdrawals entirely. You can only make them more bearable.
 
oh ok i get ya , thats what im kinda expecting.. as long as it makes it a bit easier n i can get some sleep at night il be happy man.
il be starting this tomorrow hopefully, it was supose to be yesterday but yeah tomorrow will be the day "god willing".

thanks again for your response bro, dosent seem like alot of ppl respond on here so yeah i appreciate it man.
 
i would definitely stock up some loperamide & melatonin or benadryl to help you sleep, but your taper plan sounds like it'll make things a lot more bearable. let us know how you're doing & good luck! :)
 
Thanks champ ,wat ya recon is a effective dose of the lope ? And should I take it if I don't have the runs ?I got some already and got melatonin too and clonodine, 60 of the 5mg valiums and 7 bars of the 2mg xanax .so I'm hoping for a soft landing lol .
I don't use benzos on a regular basis and wen I do it's only at night .
 
i would honestly only take it as needed, just like the benzos; i'm sure some people use it preventatively during withdrawal but you can overdose on it & i'm more afraid of not having a BM at all than i am of having the runs, haha. you probably won't need them until towards the end of the taper. i would start with maybe 16mg (8 pills if they are the 2mg kind) once a day if/when you have diarrhea. just my thoughts.
 
Lol I feel ya , sweet , I also have some black seed caps,I'm sure some of u guys heard of it , Iv researched it a bit and found it can be helpful aswell as takeing care of some of the craving too.
 
yeah, you will definitely have cravings... those unfortunately are unavoidable even with the remedies or tapers. i'm sure those can help though. lol opiate monkey.

when are you starting the taper?
 
Lol the craving are worse than nicotine cravings man ,more like opioid silver back 500 lb gorilla mofo lol .

Starting tomorrow morning as I will run out of oxy tonight.

I might need to change my number too I keep getting calls from u know who, saying they have u know what lol,n it's freaking hard to say no .

I'm trying to stay thinking positively and not think about how bad il be feeling coz that just makes it worse I reckon, so yeah tomorrow bro.
 
i know what you mean... about everything. quitting smoking was a million times easier than anytime i've tried to kick pills.

i would definitely think about changing your number or hiding/turning off your phone. & i'm here if you need support, feel free to post here or PM me.

btw, i'm female, but i don't mind being called bro :D
 
Ooops my bad hun, I should have guessed from ur avatar, pink love heart shaped sunnies lol
Might just block those ccontacts for now till I change my number.

Thank u so much, and glad iv got someone that understands what It feels like . Will definitely keep u posted and updated ...
 
Tapering with Methadone is completely different from tapering with Suboxone. For starters, you don't need to wait anywhere from 24-78 hours from your last dose of Oxy before you take Methadone. However, with Suboxone, if you do not wait long enough (and it all depends on what drug you were taking, your dosage, your ROA, your weight/metabolism, and also it just varies greatly person to person) you will go into full blown precipitated withdrawals. If you took 300mg of Oxy, then an 8mg Sub just 12 hours later, you would likely be going through PW hell. The Buprenorphine in Suboxone/Subutex is a full agonist that has a higher binding affinity than any other opiate out there as far as I know...it will kick the Oxy right out of the receptors and make you sicker than you have ever been. Now for Methadone, if you took a large dosage of that not too long after taking 300mg of Oxy you might be risking Cardiac Arrest. This is serious shit with the dosages you are talking about.

Now, the safest thing to do is to go ahead and if possibe, start weaning down that Oxy dose. I think Oxy has a good bioavailability orally, which I doubt was your ROA considering the dose you were at. Get away from the needles or straws or whatever and start weaning down. See if you can get it cut in half. If you can, then stop taking it altogether for a few days, then begin taking the methadone pills slowly. 50-70mg should hold you and make you feel good at frst. Then just titrate down really quick, Methadone has a super long half life, like 72 hours or something ridiculous like that, so it makes it easier to titrate with than Oxy. Just keep cutting the methadone down in half and try to stretch it out for a week or two. Granted, when you run out of your short supply of methadone, you wll feel like shit, but nowhere near as bad as you would coming off 400mg of oxy cold turkey.

A 4-6 week Suboxone taper would be ideal though. Methadone tapers can be effective but most clinics are more interested in increasing your dosage, they make it hard to say no...
 
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