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CAN U live without DRUGS???

Well I have lived with drugs being a significant part of my life for 15 years, its real hard to live a life not somewhat/revolving areound some drug simpley because I have never lived sober since I hit puberty (12'ish) and have been going rock steady since.

Drugs...nah...what..are...those...?
 
swybs said:
I have an incredible desire to escape reality, especially considering reality can be so fucked up. I have a good life, great home, good paying and respectable job, beautiful hot wife who is straight (no drugs) and sooo fucking hot, but yet I feel like something is missing. Sometimes I feel as though she could never deal with me if I had to be as depressed as I would be without drugs. I think she may have the ostridge syndrome (head in sand), but nonetheless, I never drink/drug and drive, I rarely get violent any longer (I used to be a ruthless motherfucker), and I am genuinely happy, when I have my drugs. So, after typing all of these characters, the answer is a resounding no. Will I have to eventually? Probably. But for now, time to get higher.

-swybs
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i feel ya right there...pretty much the same situation for me..cept my wife smokes weed...but that is it...and all i really desire to quit is the pills( opiates, benzos)...i do well for a while, actually aside from the 1mg of xanax the other night i was free of benzos for almost 2 months...but it is the other lil buggers, can't seem to make it more that 2 weeks w/o thinking to myself," just today, won't be too bad..." then jump to the end of a 5-6 day binge and i am all feeling like shit again...and to boot 2 of my wifes bros are recovering junkies and she knows about my pill probs in the past..she has no idea i am still goofing w/ em on occasion..makes me feel even shittier about it....so yes i think i can do...just have to muster up the power...no desire to quit the weed...been doing that shit for years and years. never caused me a real prob...and it certainly dosen;t make me feel like hell if i stop...
 
I can drink to stop taking Dexedrine, and then go weeks without drinking whatsoever after drinking daily for a week or two. Alcohol is more socially acceptable.
 
Yes. I enjoy drugs often and to the fullest extent possible, but I could easily live without them. Knowing that they exist and having the confidence/experience due to their use lets me rest easy. I absolutely love exstacy, but I have only rolled three times and have no fiending for it because I know that such a state of bliss exists in this world. There are many enjoyable experiences in life, and drugs are only one specturm of those. There are more methods of mind-expansion and alteration than I could possibly explore in one lifetime.

KaNdii kiSses said:
Hopefully when I am older I will have a husband and a family to fill that spot.
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Hopefully when I am older I will be able to make myself happy. Not trying to bash on you, I just have an innate desire to be independant. I love my friends and family, but I cannot allow myself to be dependant on anything but what I directly control.
 
Life without drugs? Hah. I don't like the idea of ever having to quit using benzos, but I imagine it'll happen eventually. Other drugs just add to the fun. I smoke cigs and drink alcohol quite regularly, although I'm staying pretty dry just for a little while.

I'm planning to start using oral opioids a lot more, long acting or time released preparations, all in order to keep me in a nice, light, positive mood all day long. Great "anti-depressants". I haven't tried any SSRIs etc yet, but I'd rather not risk my personality, as well as gambling with physical dependancy...

There are so many drugs I haven't tried yet either. It'd be a shame to miss out.
 
I could physically live life without drugs, but i really wouldnt want to. Its like.. u work hard, study hard, do whatever u gotta do to get by, And .. atleast to me, that you have to reward urself. And in my case thats with drugs.. namely opiates. I wish this wasnt how it was, but.. alas it is.
 
YUP, thats the way I feel T3K..i feel there has to be more to life than just making MONEY, EATING, SLEEPING, catching the occasional movie, bowling, whatever..i have ALWAYS felt like this, even before using any drugs..i found OPIODS, WOW that feeling was destroyed..i felt LIFE was FULL again, and that there WAS hope and some type of "release" i had access to..

i still dunno what really i use OPIODs for...GHB, and stuff like that, i understahd, as they are SOCIAL drugs for me..OPIODs, however, just filled a void that i had..why did i have that VOID, where did it come from??i have NO idea..i honestly think that the vast MAJORITY of people in this world are living LACKLUSTER, somewhat unhappy lives..i wasnt about to let that happen to me, and thats why i used OPIOds, and made them a daily venture..i have had a good life, i have a good job, i stay in shape, have a few nice girl "friends", good family etc etc..so what am i escaping??shit, i dunno..maybe some of us have it TOO EASY..there is NOTHING that keeps us motivated and excited to face during everyday life..drugs either make us forget that, OR they literally give us the meaning in our lives..which one is it??i dunno, probably a lil' bit of both!!

OK, i know everyone here COULD live their lives without any drugs..IT IS POSSIBLE for everyone here, but my MAIN questions was, COULD U STILL BE HAPPY AND FINE WITH LIFE IF U HAD NO ACCESS TO ANY DRUGS whatsoever??

like said, ive been sober from tne hard drugs for a year now..i dont think SOBRIETY is all its cracked up to be..i dunno, MAYBE i did need to totally ruin my life to wanna stay clean forever..im glad i didnt come close to doin that however..COUNSELING, MEETINGS, whatever else hasnt happened at all really..what has helped is LIFTING WEIGHTS, and EXERCISING..why??because its simply another endorphin rush, thats all..
 
Kerrigan said:
I'm planning to start using oral opioids a lot more, long acting or time released preparations, all in order to keep me in a nice, light, positive mood all day long. Great "anti-depressants". I haven't tried any SSRIs etc yet, but I'd rather not risk my personality, as well as gambling with physical dependancy...
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while SSRI's might fuck up your head and give you withdrawl symptoms after LONG periods of use, opiates are gonna get you physically hooked much quicker, and your tolerance will skyrocket after awhile. i don't really think its quite a good idea man.
 
Yeah but euphoria is a great side effect, it won me over. Tolerance really isn't an issue. Physical dependancy? That doesn't bother me too much either...

I still like needles a lot, just I'd rather leave them for a while. It feels a lot healthier to eat a pill, rather than inject it... I feel generally unhealthy.

I would like to be free from benzos, I am tapering down quite quickly, but will probably be back on them next time I find a reliable source. After a while they just become a crutch; there's no need to ever feel anxious, surprised, paranoid, embarrassed, as a little pill will make it all go away. Unfortunately it's not a really good idea in the long run...

I've read a lot of negative stuff about anti-depressants and symptoms getting worse, terrible withdrawals worse than other drugs, permanent personality changes etc etc. It's kinda put me off the idea, but I might give them a try. Afterall, I have someone coming to visit me on Tuesday to "assess" me. Hmm. I thought I might aswell considering it's free. :\
 
Kdoutinaz you are pretty hilarious ! BUT I cant tell if you are dead serious about life w/o drgks .

I went from a heavy heavy few year heroin (Thai H when it was supreme !) habit to a ten year NA type hiatus ( ie NO DRUGS AT ALL NO alcohol either )

now for the past 4 years I blazed through every drug under the sun ( but NOT crystal smoking )

currently all im on is NEURONTIN and sometimes ambien and sometimes any one of five benzos but with days or even a week between benzo use.

this summer i slipped back onto heroin for five days but slipped myself back onto neurontin ( NO IT's NOT A CURE for h addiction , but For me it kills desire for most drugs instantly .
and I have to say I didnt enjoy but the first few MOMENTS on Heroin of every shot i had ( lets say a total of under 30 shots ) (gulp !)

But as far as quitting everything :

it

was those ten years of NO drugs which were the most steady non panicly level headed financially resposible Love relationship oriented and BORING BORING BORING years of my adult life . and yet

I have a plan to stop in the next year or two.

I read this corny silly book called
THE TRUTH ABOUT ADDICTION AND RECOVERY
(yes, its anti -NA /AA and anti addiction but NOT anti
infrequent use of substances. sorry its written in teh typical corny self help voice ( highly repetative etc ) but check it out if you are desperate because the secret it holds ( and I really believ it ) is
ITS NOT THAT HARD TO QUIT ADDICTIONS . dont debate me , I dont wanna get into it, but read some of the book. I did and I felt kind of freed up for a few days . slept well etc,

THERE has to be a way to not blow money and health on drugs and yet still get the same depth out of life ( I know I know ,,,,,,,,,,, ZEN !

peace.
 
Kerrigan said:
Yeah but euphoria is a great side effect, it won me over. Tolerance really isn't an issue. Physical dependancy? That doesn't bother me too much either...

I still like needles a lot, just I'd rather leave them for a while. It feels a lot healthier to eat a pill, rather than inject it... I feel generally unhealthy.
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alright man, how about taking the non drug approach, maybe meditate, run, or work out? long term use of opiates for depression really isn't a good idea. and if you like needles, its gonna be no time before you start spiking opiods. anyway, i'll stop being so motherly and warning you of the monkey your gonna have on your back. peace
 
^^^ I don't agree...while I have shot, I refuse to let shooting be an option, and I have been using regularly for at least 10 years now. Granted, I go weeks with no real euphoria as I juggle my tolerance, etc, but nonetheless, I think it does worlds of justice for depression. However, it is all the other strings attached (cost, availability) that can cause a grown man to cry.

Which is to say, I don't advocate self medicating opioids/opiates for depression, but for some, it is the option that they take. Just me rambling.

-swybs
 
^^yeah, just goes to show AGAIN, things vary person to person. I guess im just speeking my point of view. I've shot before, but never made it a habit. I think its gotta be different psychologically if you shoot after weeks/months of oral/nasal use rather then the once in awhile shot (which is how i've always gone about it).
 
Surprisingly, I do a lot of exercise. I bought 50 30mg morphine IR tabs just to shoot, quite a while ago. They disappeared, but not as quick as I'd expected...

I like IV opiates but I'm not looking for a rush in using some days, or most likely all days, just the long lasting sensations. Plus anything I had would be dangerous to shoot anyway.

I agree that it's not a very good idea, what is?

I can't deny that it's not entirely for self medicating depression. I am not particularly scared to go on "real" anti-depressants, those chemicals which have the potential to turn me into a suicidal, homicidal, hollow shell of a human with no emotions who is completely detached from reality. But I'd rather not, y'know? :)
 
MONKEY IS THE ROUTE OF SALVATION!!!!!just ONE FIX"

sometimes, i wonder WHAT is the true FIX-IT-UPPER..is it having bundles of cash, a hot ladyfriend, nice hous etc etc???NO IT ISNT, those things are simply material and their noevlty wears off way too quickly..DRUGS however can put a long lasting smile on my face..even when im NOT high, just knowing i have a solid supply, it just puts me in a very OPTIMISTIC, MOTIVATED, HAPPY mood...like said, i dunno if it gives me meanin, or what..i dunno, and for the most part, DONT CARE ;)

hey, i work out EVERYDAY, and i work construction..i have ENDORPHIN rushes throughtout the day..does it make me HAPPY, ehh kinda..its just not the same as looking forward to OPIODs..i have found NOTHING that gives me that feeling OPIODs do, and ive tried damn near everything there is..well, not really, but enuff to realize im just fishing for something that does NOT exist...

everone needs VICE, something that makes them SANE..its different for everyone, but alot of us on this thread seem to have the same thinking patterns ;)
 
Jerseyfarmboy said:
I think i could go without drugs, however i dont really want too at this point. Its wierd doing drugs keeps me from drinking to much, and drinking alot keeps me from doing drugs to much, i dont know which is worse for me. Depends on the drug i guess. Today feels like a drinking day, i feel like being social today, and havent gotten piss drunk in three days.
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thats interesting, ive always thought that you could reduce the health damage done by drugs if you continually use different ones because they each stress different parts of the body. for example, opiates on mondays, marijuana on tuesdays, ketamine on wednesdays, lsd thursdays, alcohol fridays, cocaine saturdays, benzos on sundays. has anyone tried anything like that? would it mess your body up more by making it incredibly confused?
 
an imagined hell on earth...

It depends how one defines the word "drug."If drug is meant as a psychoactive substance [including nicotine,caffeine,etc.] there are people in my life who do not ingest any...If we are talking about the word meaning a crutch,something to get us through the day,then I think everyone on Earth does "drugs."Shopping,sex,gambling,hell collecting ceramic kitties,pick your poison.

P.S. There is only one culture on Earth with no history of psychoactive use...The so called Eskimos.Even they love[d] gambling.It is an undeniable part of the human condition.The key is moderation...
 
stillbeing said:
Kdoutinaz you are pretty hilarious ! BUT I cant tell if you are dead serious about life w/o drgks .
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Prett damn sure. I know that I can kick street drugs but I rely on prescription drugs and methadone for that. If I were somehow able to kick that, still there would be no way in hell I could go without cigs and caffeine. I feel fine though (believe it or not), maybe because I don't use street drugs anymore and haven't tried to quit the methadone and benzos yet. I'll come around...maybe
 
K'dOUTinAz Good points I do have to admit that when I Quit caffeine for a few years --it DID take about 4 hours (instead of 30 minutes) to wake the fuck up every morning and it never got better !!

I spend every summer in S.E. Asia and This summer I drank espresso style coffee in Luang Prabang, Laos --every day with breakfast lunch and dinner which necessitated benzo consumption . seriously !
but all in all I miss the person I was just 20 days ago : contented and highly aware ! yeah coffee is not one to lay to rest !
methadone though , I never dug that stuff and when you quit it makes your knees and joints ache like you think youll die . nasty. thank Hitler for that one (correct ?) KdOAZ , hope youll eventually be on benzos w/o methadone someday. i enjoy yr posts . peace.
 
It's not an addiction by any means of the word BUT I find MDMA use to be an indispensible spiritual exercise.

I could perhaps liken it to church-goers feeling the need to go to church every Sunday. Not that I do it every week.

I've not used MDMA for almost four weeks now and don't feel any craving at all but to be able to say that I'll never use it again....not happening.
 
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