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Can SOMEONE tell me why??

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I've got a question, one that HAS HAD TO HAVE BEEN ASKED BEFORE, and if you know of a site that would answer this question, please head me in that direction.

First, I want to thank you for taking the time in reading this and possibly giving me some answers.

My question, WHY, WHY, WHY aren't opiates used for DYSTHYMIA or DEPRESSION in general in society?? ANd even if the obvious is stated, its illegal, WHY do so many people see opiate addiction as WORSE than those two states of hell?? THere's pods, seeds, all those are currently legal. So scrip stealing and all the admittedly hideous crap doesn't have to happen. There are worries with tea also (potency availablility, future illegality) I admit, but now, they are relatively problem free.

My story, short and sweet. Have had DYSTHYMIA all my life. ALL my life. I got by. Was fairly motivated. Had my ups and downs. GOt married, had kids...tried to go into business myself, never had a huge success but never really failed either. But, I was NEVER happy. Came close to ruining my marriage. I thought that I wan't happy because I never made enough money.
SO, shoot ahead a few years, Im feeling worse about things. I start drinking poppy seed tea, go on to pods........no problems.....I FEEL GREAT. I feel like I have read so many times before " I felt like I always thought I should. Happy, smiling. I could talk to people. I laughed I was happy. I tripled my motivation simply because I was super confident, NOT scared and negative. My pod addiction lasted about two years. In that time:
My marriage improved
I opened a business, making decisions I KNOW I would NOT have made sober.
I make more money now that i know what to do with.
My life, when I quit tea, was an ENVY of almost anyone.

I don't know why I quit. I guess it was mainly cause i was a big bad "addict" whoooooaaaa......I scratched alot. Order the pods were a pain. Seeds all over the place........The one thing was I feel asleep easy. It solved my life long insomnia (another bonus) but I fell asleep easy, while driving. ANd that scared the crap out of me. But I did not want to withdraw. I was petrified of the withdrawel and the PAWS. So I got on what was at that time, a new drug, subutex. Well, yeah, I ddin't withdraw, but now Im hook on these things, which are no where NEAR the antidressant, and has WORSE withdrawals and paws, from what I read. My marriage is falling apart again, this time at a quicker pace because NOW, I really have NO REASON not to be happy, but Im not. I don't feel it. ANd I can't fake it, I just can't. ANd i am STILL AN ADDICT.

So, tell me, does it make ANY SENSE, ANY what so ever to stop taking something that isn't really illegal, no scrip faking, no stealing, no faking illness, deoesn't wreck your body, and TO ME, lets me reach my potential AND allows me to BE HAPPY..........And Im sure, its more than just me. We find it so heroic to QUIT, face the world sober.........................for what?? WHy???? So companies can make drugs WORSE FOR US, give them to us with a SCRIPT so it can be validated as a "serious attempt" at curing ourselves...

I just want to go back to tea right now, to recapture those feelings. I just wondering if it all seems great in my memory, but wasn't in real life......but I don't think so. Life is great.......and I can't appreciate it...and that really sucks.


THank you for letting me rant. Its appreciated very much. I would love some info here...............

Best wishes.
 
Well the answer is fairly obvious. Effects of pod tea include euphoria, mood elevation, and a sense of well-being. It contains a fair deal of morphine and a bit of thebaine, as well as other minor amounts of other opiate type chemicals. This is why it helps you. Alprazolam can act as a anti depressant in some respects, but for most people it doesn't actually help with depression. It tends to be more of a mood stabilizer and sedates the person taking it.

The decision to quit it yours. It is an addiction, as you have admitted it. Being addicted to anything has it's pros and it's cons. Whether it is getting high, helping with depression, or helping focus your mind to work better, it also has a downside. The downside has varying degrees of cons, from minor constipation or difficulty sleeping, to being homeless with a life crumbling to ruins and death. It is up to you which drugs you take, and what cons you are willing and able to live with. Good luck.
 
Really? You thing being COMPLETELY dependent on Opiates would help depression? What happens when theres someone who's suicidal, prescribe them opiates, and say they've taken the opiates for 6 month, ofcourse your going to see a tolerance build, and what happens if the Insurance doesn't go through and theres problems getting the script filled on the exact date that they run out, That person who HAD depression in the first place will now, have withdrawal, on top of suicidal tendicies

Though, being addicted to drugs can cloud your thoughts, I remember contemplating the same questions when I was high on OXy or heroin for 6 years, But, being clean for 2, I can fully understand why they dont. it takes a VERY long time to recover after quitting opiates, and if they were prescribed for depression, that depression will only be worse when in withdrawal
 
ok using opiates for depression would have to be one of the stupidest things a psychiatrist could do. As prelude said you give a suicidal person opiates what do you think will happen. Secondly, obviously you give a depressed person opiates and they take them and they're high and happy they're going to get heavily mentally and physically addicted to the shit..so how would that be helping them in ANY way whatsoever?
Third, antidepressants have less side effects that interfere with everyday life (heavy sedation, euphoria, somnolence, decreased appetite, constipation, etc) and it is infinitely easier to get off of an antidepressant than an opiate.

I don't understand how you can even begin to think of this as a good idea? Opiates for depression would only make the whole situation worse, maybe you FEEL better, but that's because you're on opiates, not because the quality of your life is improving, you're not motivated to do more things, you're just euphoric from all the mu activity. and once you go off them you'll be more depressed than ever, withdrawing, and a lifelong addict. I'll stick with my effexor dude.
 
But, thats the thing. My life when I was on pods WAS a series of postives.

Right now, I sit on a business that WOULD NEVER EVER GOTTEN STARTED, I know this for a fact, because its the same business I hemmed and hawed on for years and years but was to pessimistic to start. ON tea, I simply said "fuck it, WHATS THE WORSE THAT CAN HAPPEN??"

And again, my wife, so sidck of seeing a frown on my face, was DELIGHTED to se me ACT happy and BE happy inside that it saved my marriage.

These are not my opinons, these are facts that happened in my life in two short years. Again, the tea WAS NOT without its problems, but compared to now.......ha, that a laugh.

ANd I UNDERSTAND what would happen in withdrawels, BUT IM NOT TALKING ABOUT WITHDRAWALS. ANY antidepressants are not supposed to be instantly stopped.

I understand opiates is a high price to pay for happiness. And the happiness opiates bring is no more REAL or FAKE as ANY pharm induced happiness, it just does it better, and at a higher cost.

I understand the disbelief here, I really do, but I think this needs to be discussed. Suboxone is NOW BEING USED IN BRITAIN AND THE USA as AN ANTIDEPRESSANT....can you tell me, besides legality, where the price is any less to get involved there?? I really thing the biggest down side to opiates is the stupid "drug war". My tolerance on tea was such that the buzz was hardly there any more...........but all the other positives continued to occur.

But, being a junkie, the risks, the itching, and the danger of falling asleep put an end to it.

But, thank you , all for your time. I really appreciate it.
 
So, tell me, does it make ANY SENSE, ANY what so ever to stop taking something that isn't really illegal, no scrip faking, no stealing, no faking illness, deoesn't wreck your body, and TO ME, lets me reach my potential AND allows me to BE HAPPY..........And Im sure, its more than just me. We find it so heroic to QUIT, face the world sober.........................for what?? WHy???
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for your health, children and wife, other family members, it makes perfect sense to put down the opiates to be happy with your family. just because its ''legal'' doesnt mean its not an addictive form of morphine. its kind of a loophole, because the poppys are used for decorative purposes, and the seeds for food. alternativly you can get a buzz off it. this is like basically asking: hey i been doing oxycontins, and it makes me happy, but my family isnt happy. should i stop?
not to be mean tho, in any way. think about your kids, your wife, and your business. you cant really be as successfully as if you were sober off opiates. it will distort your perception of business decisions, and the way you interact with your family. you will be aggressive or aggravated by them at times, and im sure theres time you will truly upset them.. but you wont realize it. opiates kill physical pain, and also mental pain, along with emotion. it makes you numb on the inside, and blinds you to how you treat the ones you love.

maybe i misunderstood your question, but if you asking if its normal to want to quit a opiate, yes. its better for you, your family, your health, everyone around you and ur business. if your not a daily rec user, and use it for real pain, or once every month or something, it wouldnt be so bad, but it will get worse man. your a big boy, make a big boy decision. opiates, or family

good luck to you
ch1na
 
Opiates give him the confidence to open up, make better decisions and interact better with his family.
They increase his communicative skills and enable him to integrate better in all kinds of situations.
Many of us self-medicate and are better people for doing so.
Ideologically, there's very little substantiated difference in getting prescribed something from the doctor or maintaining a self-medicated opiate habit, taking a small dose at certain times each day of your own accord.

If one has an ample source of money and a constant supply of pods, I don't really see all that much wrong with it, given that I know tonnes of people who are addicted to diazepam, sleeping tablets, tramadol etc etc from the doctor. Of course, with pods you can't guarantee a constant supply.

I am in no way condoning addiction or promoting it, as there are obvious side-effects thatt can damage health. But I have wondered the same thing as the OP many times.
I have a close friend who buys tramadol illicitly, and self-medicates daily. He has been doing this for almost 9 years now and is in perfectly good health. He needs it for social anxiety/creativity/depression and would be a wreck without it.

Again, there are obvious negative factors to this, but they are so plainly obvious that I didnt feel i needed to throw it in as common sense says these are a given, but it's just a bit of discussion.
 
Thanks again EVERYONE, for taking the time to mull this over.

Attempt 4-
You DO understand EXACTLY how I feel. Its frustrating as hell to know that the only way I can be TRULY happy is going down a path that is such a no no in society. I mean I have almost EVERYTING a man can have to be happy.....yet, inside, there is a darkness, a dull ache..........and i feel BIG TIME GUILTY about having such a nice situation and NOT feeling appreciative of it.

If pods were legal, or opiates would be precribed off label more often by head docs, I would be golden. I know a steady supply would be there, I would deal with the negative aspects WITHOUT having to deal with the legalities AND I would feel this elusive feeling I hear so much about .............HAPPINESS. I really used to think I felt unhappy BECAUSE so many things were wrong...not enough money, an unhappy wife, no time in my week for ANYTING because I worked so much, (80-100 hrs, every single week for a decade) I mean, I felt as though I had a REASON to be unhappy, that life wasn't all it was cracked up to be.....but NOW, yeah, I can see that things are far better, but I can't FEEL IT............its frustrating, thats all.

NEIGHBORHOOD THREAT
Thank you very much for the posts. Most imformative.... but they are a little dated. Yes, it is VERY possible to get bupe as an antideppressant, and they do work better than ALL the SSRI'S (for me), but they fall FAR, FAR short of pods. And , if you do NOT take into account legalities, THEY HAVE ALL THE SAME COSTS INVOLVED....EVEN MORE ACCORDING TO SOME POSTS!!!!

But, as some posters put it....Im a big boy, time to put the big boy pants one.....maybe I just don't have the guts it takes to face the pressures of the world head on.....I don't know.....


Once again, thank you to everyone.
 
Opiates aren't prescribed for depression because they are extremely addictive and once you become tolerant the effects no longer work unless you start taking excessively high doses in which sooner or later they will just completely stop working for you and will make your depression worse. Now your stuck on an incredibly high dose and once you try to quit you will have to go through hellish withdrawal symptoms. Your life will come crumbling down. You'll be seeking opiates on the streets, maybe even heroin because your on the maximum daily dose and your doctor won't prescribe you anymore. Now your in rehab and probably destroyed the lives of everyone around you. All because the doctor started you on 10mg of oxycodone.
 
Tolerance to opiates comes very quickly. But that brings up an interesting point, I know some people who are prescribed Dexedrine for depression (and it works really well). Tolerance/addiction to amphetamines occurs just like it does with opiates, so why not treat somebody with opiates if their depression responds better to opiates?

K'd-OUT, you have a very valid point, but I think a lot of doctors script certain drugs for depression just because that's what the pharm company told them to do. SSRIs and SNRIs also have issues with tolerance and withdrawal (although they call it a "discontinuation syndrome").

My stance on it is you and your doctor should be able to decide what works best for your depression. Opiates are amazing antidepressants, and I have lots of experience with them and self-medicating with them. If they are the only thing that works for you, and really the only thing, then use them.
 
NeighborhoodThreat said:
Tolerance to opiates comes very quickly. But that brings up an interesting point, I know some people who are prescribed Dexedrine for depression (and it works really well). Tolerance/addiction to amphetamines occurs just like it does with opiates, so why not treat somebody with opiates if their depression responds better to opiates?
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I can see both sides of this argument, on one hand, the basic idea of it makes sense, but at the same time I feel that opiates aren't comparable to amphetamines or antidepressants because the mechanism of action is entirely different. As someone said before opiates numb you until you don't feel the pain anymore, and that absence of pain is what becomes your definition of happiness. But the problem is, pain will always be a part of life, no matter who you are or where you go, and it becomes a vicious cycle to keep that pain at bay, rather than facing it and dealing with it, which (in my mind) is the only way to truly rid yourself of it.

Now don't get me wrong, I love the feeling of opiates, and I've done more than my fair share of them, but I think the feeling they bring isn't real happiness. I think there's a big difference between the euphoria brought on by opiates and true happiness one can feel without them.
 
I have Dexedrine and I guess you can say I use it for depression, but it doesn't help. It lets me grind through it, but I can't say I love life, it was the only thing I had for a long ass time though so I would just take more, then I got benzos and those cycles didn't occur anymore. I'm taking what I would consider pussy amounts of Tramadol daily, 50mg, and I haven't wanted to move up but its only been a few days its really helpful for my back pain so I dunno what to say about it, I haven't taken Dexedrine daily since being on it, but I'm also trying Namenda, which might be interacting.
 
NeighborhoodThreat said:
Tolerance to opiates comes very quickly. But that brings up an interesting point, I know some people who are prescribed Dexedrine for depression (and it works really well). Tolerance/addiction to amphetamines occurs just like it does with opiates, so why not treat somebody with opiates if their depression responds better to opiates?

K'd-OUT, you have a very valid point, but I think a lot of doctors script certain drugs for depression just because that's what the pharm company told them to do. SSRIs and SNRIs also have issues with tolerance and withdrawal (although they call it a "discontinuation syndrome").

My stance on it is you and your doctor should be able to decide what works best for your depression. Opiates are amazing antidepressants, and I have lots of experience with them and self-medicating with them. If they are the only thing that works for you, and really the only thing, then use them.
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Yes but withdrawals from antidepressants (discontinuation syndrome) is nothing like the physical withdrawals from opiates. Not close. The "physical" withdrawals from antidepressants are limited while most are psychological. The physical symptoms from opiates are full blown. Tolerance to antidepressants is nothing to that of opiates. Tolerance to antidepressants doesn't kick in until you've been on them for nearly a year or more. Opiates its instant.

As far as amphetamines go, they aren't effective antidepressants because of tolerance issues. They are still prescribed but only for short periods. They become ineffective after just a few months on them. Eventually they stop working.

I very well know that opiates work for depression but in the long run they will become ineffective. In fact they were the only thing that worked for my bipolar for awhile but they stopped once I ran into addiction and kept needing more and more. When antidepressants stop working you can just go onto another and you won't find yourself craving for them on the streets doing all kinds of obscene things for them. Selling your house and putting pain in the lives of everyone around you. Your just searching for a high with opiates. You can call it "relief" of depression if you want. Same thing. You don't learn how to cope with your depression. You just figure out how to "kill" it.
 
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