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Bupe Can someone please answer a few questions about suboxone?

Bomb319

Bomb319

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I'm in the middle of school and it's very important I'm able to function. I have been IVing H again since sept, and although the stuff I'm getting is fairly weak, I'm going through 1-2 grams a day but just 0.3 at a time. I need whatever option will let me carry on as best I can without incapacitating sweats, lethargy, depression and chills. I've heard that subs make you go through withdrawal when you start because they're so much weaker, but eventually stabilize.. but if that's true, I don't see too much advantage in doing that since it sounds like I would still be unable to study and go to exams.

Any advice?
 
I would stretch the heroin out further, tapering down for a while and then do a 2-3 week suboxone taper once exams are over.
 
If your habit isn't too out of control, a lot of people stabilize on the suboxone right away, provided they waited long enough to avoid PW's. If I were you, I'd do what Tommy said.. wait until your exams are over and you can focus on yourself before you start to detox. Preferably in the meantime, try and decrease your heroin intake as much as possible. The smaller your habit is when you jump to suboxone, the easier it will be.
 
^^ agreed.

Personally when i switch from heroin to bupe i feel a little punky the first couple days in some ways but in other ways i feel really good at the same time. Bupe is a funny animal, it's not a full mu- receptor agonist but it is a strong drug nonetheless. Start low in dosing especially since you're trying to get thru exams and need your full mental compacity.
 
I've had issues with the switch... Tapered and switched with about 16 hours between last H first Suboxen earlier this year. Had 3 days of miserable WD's on the last go around. Should I have waited longer?. Going to make the jump or try again this week (yikes)...
 
I've never had a problem when switching to subs, but everyone's different

But I'm gonna disagree with your choice to go on subs to begin with. Your gonna maintain on subs and when you stop you'll withdrawal which could end up being worse and more drawn out than regular h w.d. Plus subs are very expensive and when you add the cost of dr. visits on top of that it amounts to alot

I'm in the same exact situation as you but I decided to go on kratom b.c it's legal, cheaper, virtually eliminated wd, and when the time comes to stop kratom it won't be nearly as hard as suboxone imo

Pm me if u want any more info
 
subs have the equivalent max potency to about 90mg of oxycodone or 30mgs of methadone; Usually for most ppl the first 1-3 days are a bit uncomfortable but it really depends on your habit and tolerance...


Wolfman If you do a quick suboxone taper for a few weeks; the WD isnt bad at all;

To each is own though... Let us know in a month how that kratom taper worked out for you
 
It might be difficult to perform optimally in exams while making the switch. 1-2gs a day of weak H could still be quite a lot: I'd suggest tapering down to just enouhj to keep you straight (i,e, no highs & no withdrawal) while getting through your exams, then give it 36 hours or so after your last hit of H before switching to a dose of sub. It might take a while to find your maintenance dose of sub, but once you've switched, if you're ready to kick, you can taper down and get clean incredibly quicjky, I've kicked pharm morphine/oxy habits with just a couple of 8mg sub tablets, carefully dosed. It really can be a miracle cure for some, and is a lot easier and quicker to get off of than methadone.

Whatever else, when you do switch, wait until you're in full-blown withdrawl bwfore you take your first sub dose - or you'll precipitate the worst, most intense smyptoms you can imagine, and no opiods will help. Having some weed on hand if you like smoking can be very useful, as you wait to get sick enough for subs to be useful.
 
cire113 said:
Let us know in a month how that kratom taper worked out for you
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U dnt need to wait a month I can tell u now that it worked out great. I have experience with both subs and kratom and would never reccomend subs to anyone, and I'm not the only one
 
Bomb319 said:
I've heard that subs make you go through withdrawal when you start because they're so much weaker, but eventually stabilize.. but if that's true, I don't see too much advantage in doing that since it sounds like I would still be unable to study and go to exams.

Any advice?
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I personally have successfully and comfortably switched from 1-1.5 bundles (in the East Coast, 1 bundle is supposed to equal a gram in weight, but it doesn't always work that way) of pretty good heroin in the past, granted that I waited a full 24 hours before dosing the suboxone.

Suboxone should NOT make you go into withdrawal (or actually its referred to as 'precipitated withdrawal') as long as you wait until you're in moderate to sever withdrawal to take it.

Also, suboxone/Buprenorphine is a very potent opiate, and is stronger than heroin as well as fentanyl microgram/microgram. The only reason it won't work for especially large habits is because it is a partial agonist with a ceiling effect, so even though IV Bupe is 30x stronger than IV morphine, after a certain dosage (somewhere between 4-8mg), the opiate effects plateau, and taking more suboxone does nothing but keep withdrawals at bay for longer, as well as block almost every other common opiate.

However, even if you are unfortunate enough to wind up in precipitated withdrawal, with heroin, the longest it will last will be a couple of hours, after which the buprenorphine will take hold of the receptors and you will begin to feel better. Depending on your habit, the first two days may be a little uncomfortable, but most likely you'll be okay. Just make sure to wait at least 24 hours, and take only 2mg of suboxone at a time (most people find this is the most effective way of switching to buprenorphine, as it is gradually introducing the drug to the system, rather than hitting it full force with a whole 8mg tablet).
 
Bomb319 said:
I'm in the middle of school and it's very important I'm able to function. I have been IVing H again since sept, and although the stuff I'm getting is fairly weak, I'm going through 1-2 grams a day but just 0.3 at a time. I need whatever option will let me carry on as best I can without incapacitating sweats, lethargy, depression and chills. I've heard that subs make you go through withdrawal when you start because they're so much weaker, but eventually stabilize.. but if that's true, I don't see too much advantage in doing that since it sounds like I would still be unable to study and go to exams.

Any advice?
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Dude after the 2nd or 3rd day on sub you will basically feel fine (normal) Hell the only day that KINDA sucks is the first day gettin on sub and thats b/c you have to wait until your in w/ds to dose. You have nothing to fear. Bupe is strong stuff.. 2mgs or less is more then enough
 
mardoux said:
i have a question.. how long after i take oxy can i go back to my subs?
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Ugh, does anyone remember THIS THREAD anymore!???

Based on the limited amount of information that you provided, we can't give you any accurate guess, and even if we did have more info, buprenorphine effects everyone so uniquely that its not possible to give an answer with complete authority.

  • How long have you been on Suboxone?

    [*]How much Suboxone weere you taking?

    [*]When was the last time you took Suboxone?

    [*]How much Oxy are you taking?

    [*]Are you feeling all the effects of the Oxy, or is it just keeping you out of withdrawal?


The truth is that as long as you wait 224-36 hours you should be FINE to take your Suboxone. However, if you just took say, one 30mg oxy IR and didn't feel any buzz from it, than that means the Suboxone is blocking the oxycodone's effects. If the oxy is blocked, than it has not been able to attach to your receptors (as they are occupied by Bupe)amd is just swimming around in your blood and will be excreted through your piss, shit and sweat. Basically, in order for precipitated withdrawal to occur, you need a full agonist attached to your receptors.
 
I know this is off topic, but does anyone know if Medicaid covers suboxone?

Also if it doesn't, does anyone know the cost of say 8 mg's daily for 30 days?
 
4evrLkn said:
I know this is off topic, but does anyone know if Medicaid covers suboxone?

Also if it doesn't, does anyone know the cost of say 8 mg's daily for 30 days?
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Yes, medicaid will almost always cover suboxone... it basically pays for everything, hah. Without insurance though, it is really expensive. Around 11 dollars for each 8mg pill/strip.. so it will end up being hundreds of dollars if not thousands depending on how much you need. But, I'd be pretty confident that you'll get covered..
 
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