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Gabapentinoids Can Opioids Treat Gabapentinoid Withdrawal??

Again, I'm already on opioids, I wasn't saying I planned to just start taking them.
I quit using my clonazepam albeit it wasn’t as ordered. I’m quitting now again with just a simple anxiety replacement (Fiornal with Codeine lmao). I don’t really think it has that much of a withdrawal from some. If it’s a calcium channel blocker, and just mimics gaba. I doubt unless you’ve used for years it being that physically bad. But I’m on day 2 without it and I just found 300mg
 
I'm already dependant on opioids lol. I wasn't planning to go get some off the street (I have a prescription). Benzo's i WOULD have to go out and get some illegally and I've been staying away from the for a while now.
Honestly it’s probably being overblown by both parties. My doctor claims in normal dosages, and not preg. It can be discontinued whenever up to 2400/2700mg Daily. If you get a script of opiates, be thankful. I wouldn’t fuck that up cause you never said if you got pill counts, besides since your prescribed. I doubt opiates would do anything beyond bring you back to baseline now, endorphins. Hell even oxy would only release serotonin and dopamine not block calcium channels. Will you possibly feel like shit you might. But you might find you can come and go as you please.


Not that I wish to have an opiate script. Cause you have legit pain to get that. But I would be more careful keeping that on the up and up and maybe asking a doctor for an increase (if at all possible). I found tbh my adderall pretty much erases most of my petty withdrawals. Then I spend a week with no motivation o happiness without caffeine
 
It’s not accurate to say it doesn’t affect GABA at all.

“In vitro, gabapentin modulates the action of the GABA synthetic enzyme, glutamic acid decarboxylase (GAD) and the glutamate synthesizing enzyme, branched-chain amino acid transaminase. Results with human and rat brain NMR spectroscopy indicate that gabapentin increases GABA synthesis.”
Effecting and replacement is two different things. Even with benzos what people forget is that unlike opiates or stims. There’s only so much benzo you can squeeze into the receptor I find sometimes lighter doses to be more effective then higher doses of both gaba/clonaz
 
Honestly it’s probably being overblown by both parties. My doctor claims in normal dosages, and not preg. It can be discontinued whenever up to 2400/2700mg Daily. If you get a script of opiates, be thankful. I wouldn’t fuck that up cause you never said if you got pill counts, besides since your prescribed. I doubt opiates would do anything beyond bring you back to baseline now, endorphins. Hell even oxy would only release serotonin and dopamine not block calcium channels. Will you possibly feel like shit you might. But you might find you can come and go as you please.


Not that I wish to have an opiate script. Cause you have legit pain to get that. But I would be more careful keeping that on the up and up and maybe asking a doctor for an increase (if at all possible). I found tbh my adderall pretty much erases most of my petty withdrawals. Then I spend a week with no motivation o happiness without caffeine

I take anywhere from 1800-4200mg Gaba/day. I've only just gotten withdrawals the last twice I've ran out (been on it 2.5 years). The neuropathy in my legs is pretty severe so it was probably re-emergence of pain more so than withdrawal. Unfortunately I also ran out of opioids, too, so went like 48 hours with neither after a previous 24h with the Gaba. OMG the withdrawal was hell. I very seriously considered going to hospital (mostly as the pain in my legs was intolerable). But I got through it.
Both meds arrived about 6 hours ago. I took a triple dose and managed a few hours sleep and feeling much better now. Gonna be more careful with my scripts, though, as the wd is getting worse every time.
 
I take anywhere from 1800-4200mg Gaba/day. I've only just gotten withdrawals the last twice I've ran out (been on it 2.5 years). The neuropathy in my legs is pretty severe so it was probably re-emergence of pain more so than withdrawal. Unfortunately I also ran out of opioids, too, so went like 48 hours with neither after a previous 24h with the Gaba. OMG the withdrawal was hell. I very seriously considered going to hospital (mostly as the pain in my legs was intolerable). But I got through it.
Both meds arrived about 6 hours ago. I took a triple dose and managed a few hours sleep and feeling much better now. Gonna be more careful with my scripts, though, as the wd is getting worse every time.
I mean. Do you think I’ve been to prideful not to go up there and basically admit I ate all my clonazepam lmao, beats begging a doc. But that was years ago. Neuropathy is one thing I can’t talk about then. I take for anxiety. A good kicker is 2400mg for me. But I’m getting to where I take drug holidays on all my CS meds. I assume gaba is a CS in my state as I have to provide ID.

I do admit to constantly switching between drugs, I found though if you can perhaps get some Addie’s. They adderall for me works as a pain reliever/anxiety/depression me. It really shouldn’t be as it’s the most expensive med I fill, But even paying outta pocket perhaps could help. They are bitches about filling my gaba. But will fill a benzo script helluh early. Cash still is king 😂😂.

But depending on opioid dosage. I would hate to be in a predicament I’m sick without my meds. Especially the bathroom bound side effects give you, but gaba is a dime a dozen. I’d just suggest you increase your meds. Or possibly talk to doc about lyrica if unmanaged. Despite that increasing w/d and seizure issues.
Because I’m being fair. In my Rec usage I get treated now, with all the cutbacks to 50mg oxy maybe 2 times a week. If I combine that with 2400mg gaba after a week or two break from gaba. I’m pretty sure I’d die.

Lol probably not as I’ve used opiates since a kid, and gaba for about a year. Both pretty frequently. I wouldn’t do anything that causes an eyebrow to get raised (ie subbing opies for gabapentin). Imo the only sub is benzos and even then your kinda mortgaging the farm to pay for the car.
 
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I take anywhere from 1800-4200mg Gaba/day. I've only just gotten withdrawals the last twice I've ran out (been on it 2.5 years). The neuropathy in my legs is pretty severe so it was probably re-emergence of pain more so than withdrawal. Unfortunately I also ran out of opioids, too, so went like 48 hours with neither after a previous 24h with the Gaba. OMG the withdrawal was hell. I very seriously considered going to hospital (mostly as the pain in my legs was intolerable). But I got through it.
Both meds arrived about 6 hours ago. I took a triple dose and managed a few hours sleep and feeling much better now. Gonna be more careful with my
I take anywhere from 1800-4200mg Gaba/day. I've only just gotten withdrawals the last twice I've ran out (been on it 2.5 years). The neuropathy in my legs is pretty severe so it was probably re-emergence of pain more so than withdrawal. Unfortunately I also ran out of opioids, too, so went like 48 hours with neither after a previous 24h with the Gaba. OMG the withdrawal was hell. I very seriously considered going to hospital (mostly as the pain in my legs was intolerable). But I got through it.
Both meds arrived about 6 hours ago. I took a triple dose and managed a few hours sleep and feeling much better now. Gonna be more careful with my scripts, though, as the wd is getting worse every time.
I’m about like this. Luckily I got fiornal lmao. My addy script is due Friday. My plug comes through on the 🍁 and oxy tomorrow. So I’ve skated by on another month, no gaba and a week from getting my clonazepam although I always save 3 1mg for emergencies.
 
I mean. Do you think I’ve been to prideful not to go up there and basically admit I ate all my clonazepam lmao, beats begging a doc. But that was years ago. Neuropathy is one thing I can’t talk about then. I take for anxiety. A good kicker is 2400mg for me. But I’m getting to where I take drug holidays on all my CS meds. I assume gaba is a CS in my state as I have to provide ID.

I do admit to constantly switching between drugs, I found though if you can perhaps get some Addie’s. They adderall for me works as a pain reliever/anxiety/depression me. It really shouldn’t be as it’s the most expensive med I fill, But even paying outta pocket perhaps could help. They are bitches about filling my gaba. But will fill a benzo script helluh early. Cash still is king 😂😂.

But depending on opioid dosage. I would hate to be in a predicament I’m sick without my meds. Especially the bathroom bound side effects give you, but gaba is a dime a dozen. I’d just suggest you increase your meds. Or possibly talk to doc about lyrica if unmanaged. Despite that increasing w/d and seizure issues.
Because I’m being fair. In my Rec usage I get treated now, with all the cutbacks to 50mg oxy maybe 2 times a week. If I combine that with 2400mg gaba after a week or two break from gaba. I’m pretty sure I’d die.

Lol probably not as I’ve used opiates since a kid, and gaba for about a year. Both pretty frequently. I wouldn’t do anything that causes an eyebrow to get raised (ie subbing opies for gabapentin). Imo the only sub is benzos and even then your kinda mortgaging the farm to pay for the car.

I'm in the UK, bitch. ALL my meds are free! Muahahahahah. And I'm on 14 of them :P

I know what you mean about the CS drugs and it's a good idea. I used to do that with my Gabapentin, until my pain got bad enough I have a legit need for it all the time. We have different drug laws here, but Gaba and Pregab are both Class C drugs (without a prescription). Class A drugs are like heroin, coke, MDMA etc, then Class B are benzo's, amphetamines, barbiturates, Dihydrocodeine (my primary opioid) and then Class C are like gabapentinoids, codeine, weed etc.

Do you not get wd then if you have used for that long? I dunno how old you are now, but if you've taken them that long surely you're very dependant? I've not been on them nearly as long (opioids for 11 years, Gabapentin for 2.5).
 
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I’m about like this. Luckily I got fiornal lmao. My addy script is due Friday. My plug comes through on the 🍁 and oxy tomorrow. So I’ve skated by on another month, no gaba and a week from getting my clonazepam although I always save 3 1mg for emergencies.

Hope you're doing okay waiting for the Clonazepam! I've been dependant on benzo's in the past and the anxiety from wd is AWFUL. I've had grand mal seizures from Xanax withdrawal a couple times, too.

What is Fiornal?
 
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I’m about like this. Luckily I got fiornal lmao. My addy script is due Friday. My plug comes through on the 🍁 and oxy tomorrow. So I’ve skated by on another month, no gaba and a week from getting my clonazepam although I always save 3 1mg for emergencies.

I also can't get more Gabapentin, unfortunately. My doctor increased my dosage from 900mg/day to 1800mg/day a month ago and that's really helped. But the maximum dose in the UK has recently been changed from 3600mg to 1800mg as there is very little evidence that increasing the dose beyond 1800mg/day has any benefits on treating pain.
 
I think opiates can "treat" every issue up to a point, even the ones they don't affect directly. That is to say: if the state of "feeling bad" plays a major role in all kinds of withdrawal, it stands to reason that it can be remedied by the state of "feeling good" – a state opiates can induce very effectively, indeed.

When I was first getting deep into IV heroin, I quit benzos and SSRIs virtually cold-turkey after being on them for years, simply because I was too lazy/high to pick up my refills at the pharmacy. The "zaps" & other symptoms weren't eliminated completely, but I was nicely insulated from them in my nodding.
 
Gabapentinoids exhibit narcotic-like behaviour in me (and many others), so I'd say yes. Also, as already has been written, kratom does work and even seems to be cross-tolerant with gabapentinoids. But I'd say it's not about calcium channels but other activity they exhibit, specifically inducing an enzyme which converts glutamate into gaba, so after the brain achieves a new balance, upon withdrawing the gabapentinoid you'll have too much glutamate and too less GABA. Weirdly do high dosages of gabapents (900mg+ of pregabalin, dunno whether enough gabapentin can reach the brain for this) inhibit the glutamate 1 transporter which then would mean that tolerance to that effect might mean less withdrawal, so possibly LESS withdrawal upon HIGH dosages, which might indeed be the case, after I developed tolerance to 1.2g, I had next to no withdrawal while now from 300-600mg/d I get it fully.
 
I also can't get more Gabapentin, unfortunately. My doctor increased my dosage from 900mg/day to 1800mg/day a month ago and that's really helped. But the maximum dose in the UK has recently been changed from 3600mg to 1800mg as there is very little evidence that increasing the dose beyond 1800mg/day has any benefits on treating pain.
Waste of gaba indeed.
 
I don't think that's a reason to be happy seriously....poor liver and kidneys have to process all thst shit errrday...
Once my wish was to get prescription-free access to a pharmacy but now I have kind of, in the past a doc prescribing the harder things like lisdexamphetamine, morphine etc. and now here most non-narcotics are cheap and OTC but I soon realized that the good stuff isn't available out of pharmacies at all and now I want to educate myself enough in chemistry to being able to synth my stuff myself. Pharmaceutical drugs suck.
 
Yeshhh, WORK FASTER LIVER. METABOLIZE MY MORPHINE FASTER, U C*NT!!!!!!😝🌈💯☠✌
Well there are different categories of work. They are built to process all sort of stuff from food, and there are drugs which don't (seem) to harm the organs, for example pregabalin gets excreted unmetabolized, or morphine* or low dose amphetamine** where they say you could take it for decades without physical injury. Opposite are nasty drugs like many of the antiepileptics/"mood stabilizers" that have black box warnings and require regular blood checks (which most docs neglect). Valproic acid is one of them. The good drugs which MIGHT harm the organs have been pulled, like pemoline, Kava (in the EU), but the bad ones which DO hurt are still partially OTC (paracetamol, said valproate, I forgot but there are quite a bunch of others). Then we have the interactions, stuff like fluoxetine which is a potent CYP2D6 inhibitor, this seems to be pretty unproblematic but just take a drug which is primarily metabolized by 2D6 and then gets metabolized into something else, and that something else be toxic. Few drugs have actually been studied in a multi-drug 'setting', and most also only over a few months (SSRIs being an infamous example, when taken for too long they make one dependent, it is WORSE than morphine for me to quit them. Currently not possible.. :()

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'd say not every drug is a threat to the organs.

* Morphine has downstream effects which cause problems, like downregulation of hormone production, and there are some other papers on long-term use of it.
** Amphetamine I'm not sure about but many ADHD people take stimulants for life and so far I didn't read much alarming stuff when sticking to low dosages.
 
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It’s not accurate to say it doesn’t affect GABA at all.

“In vitro, gabapentin modulates the action of the GABA synthetic enzyme, glutamic acid decarboxylase (GAD) and the glutamate synthesizing enzyme, branched-chain amino acid transaminase. Results with human and rat brain NMR spectroscopy indicate that gabapentin increases GABA synthesis.”

Yes, it does increase GABA synthesis and perhaps even increases the expression of GABAA receptors themselves to a minor degree, but its clinical effects come from its ion channel (calcium) blocking properties. Whatever the GABAergic properties it may have are pretty minor (especially with respect to it anticonvulsant effects). Maybe the minor secondary GABAergic effects have implications in other areas (neuropsychiatric) but it would probably take a while for that to materialize.
 
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