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Can meth be more than 92% pure?

Limpet_Chicken said:
Know where I might find a copy? that sort of thing could be useful, if not scintillating.
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On-line I suspect. I just use the copies at the collage with whom retain have dining rights. If these tomes could be produced in pill form, Switzerland would be plunged into a recession. People spend their entire lives just mixing powders, capping/pilling stuff up and batch-testing.
 
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Limpet_Chicken said:
Never had the dubious honor of trying street meth. I've never seen the point in trying to find any either, given that street product is bound to be cut, and it'd be a waste when I could take my pick from racemic or D-meth at will instead of using the solvents to clean up existing stuff and doing analysis of the product, and never have to worry about doing business with some morally dubious, oleaginous, weaselly little scrote who is out for as much money as he can swindle into the pockets of his hoodie, bugger that sideways with a rusty fork. And just as bad, potentially being expected to spend time in their company, make small talk etc.
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Street meth is really really pure and cheap here.
 
In the UK, its mostly amphetamine sulfate that does the rounds, and it can be notoriously impure. Although there is some ridiculously strong 'base' speed, an oily, pasty, often smelly stuff, that really can pack a punch. But theres way too much garbage speed here, sometimes as low as 10% amphetamine, the rest being cut and byproducts.

Methamphetamine hasn't really taken off as widely as it has in the states , in the UK.

And good luck trying to find N-ethylamphetamine on the street.
 
Almost all of the amphetamine on UK streets was made in Poland. They use multi-tonne reactors and it is no more complex than BMK + formamide. All of these huge labs are in industrial units on the outskirts of large towns and cities. The Polish police are corrupt from top to bottom which is why they just mis-label BMK as 1-phenylpropan-1-one which arrives in 60 foot containers from China. If I know this I presume that it is well-known but the country will not or cannot stop organized crime.

At the end of the day, buying speed, MDMA, coke & H means the money is going towards bribes, threats and worse. Dexedrine tablets are not THAT hard to obtain and I would much rather take 2 of them than a line of an unknown powder. Street RX lists them @ ?1 each and who am I to argue.

But seriously, make your own legal analogues OR obtain prescribed medication. That is harm-reduction right up the chain.
 
CfZrx said:
Dealers prob trying to keep folks on crack since it's a better money maker imho.
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No, since it doesn't require a long supply chain, methamphetamine is at least as profitable BUT people don't want it. The few clients I've discussed it with were IV opioid users and they mixed them together for a true speedball (H & C is more correctly termed a 'snowball') and even then, they found it too much quite quickly. The cost of cocaine in the UK represents the ONLY drug to have increased in price. I used to be able to acquire blue flake for ?60/g and the same person now asks ?150. Crappy powder still costs ?100-?120 around this burg although the person who told me was likely being ripped off somewhat.

http://michaellinnell.org.uk/michael_linnell_archive/crime_and_punishment/pdf/CP2_Charlies.pdf

Michael is a friend so I have a lot of his originals. That is about as close to coke, meth and street speed as I will ever get.
 
Yeah, if nothing else, the difference in supply lines, and the fact that cocaine is much harder to synth de novo, is going to make it a lot easier logistically to supply meth. After all, you can't really practically grow coca for any more than one person yourself, chewing it, making coca tea etc or extracting for a bit of primo stuff. But a meth lab requires little space, and its not a complicated procedure, and if doing things from P2P, reductive amination, then can be done in bulk, circumventing any restrictions on pseudo.
 
The restrictions on pseudo don't really even slow things. There is alot of money in meth, it's extremely cheap to produce, and very profitable.
 
Pre.Fucking.Cisely.

I really don't see the point in restricting PSE. It only causes problems for people uninvolved with meth. When there are hundred ways to skin that cat, and its only the RP-I2/hypo/phosphorous acid, and Birch cooks that are going to be affected, who are typically going to be making much smaller quantities for themselves and or a few others, ounces, rather than say, churning out a couple of kilograms of P2NP in a single night.
 
Not to mention the fact that cartels use legitimate pharmacies to purchase mass amounts of pseudoephedrine in order to redirect it for meth production, there will always be a way around restrictions.
 
Why risk getting a controlled precursor? L-PAC + nitromethane in a hydrogenation unit gives almost quantitative yields of methamphetamine. Of course, the more daring will have spotted that it's equally simple to make 4-MAR from L-PAC. Ammonium cyanate with appropriate scavenger similarly yields quantitative product (and NO, not BSMR).
 
Methamphetamine hydrochloride (or sulfate or whatever) can approach 100% purity but never quite get there. So can cocaine. Or mdma. Etc.
 
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