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Can LSD change sexual orientation?

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SWIM has only taken LSD a few times, but this is simply because they are affected so dramatically each time.
The effects have dramatically changed them as a person, mostly just so they have become more "open" in a variety of ways.
One of these ways is the changing of SWIM's sexual orientation. Before acid, they had spent their entire life being a giant lesbian.
After acid, who they felt sexual attraction to no longer depended on a person's gender. SWIM has also largely stopped being sexually attracted to someone because of their appearance, but instead because of their personality, etc.
SWIM is still in high school, so they are attempting to figure out if this was a direct result of the LSD (or the change of mind frame caused by the LSD), the fact that they're still young and haven't really figured things out yet, or something else.
Has anyone out there experienced or heard about changes in someone's sexuality/way they view sex that were caused by LSD?
 
I don't think it can change who you are. I think it can perhaps show it to you better than your own judgement would otherwise. :)

You are still young and it's likely there are more things you'll discover of yourself with or without substances.
 
Please do not use phrases like 'SWIM', and also do not refer to pets or friends instead of talking about yourself. All these things are against the rules and they wouldn't protect you in any way, that is a myth.
Thanks. :)

I think drugs like LSD helped me to feel less identified with a gender (like a macho man) but more just as a person. I still feel like I have a gender with the same sexual orientation but there is less mindless focus on it, it has been put much more into perspective and I don't worry about loving someone like my best friend platonically for the person he is.
IMO this all has to do with the general effect of such psychedelics to blur boundaries and to remove fixation on social or cultural conventions.

If LSD would help a person to realize things about themselves I am convinced this is not about true change in the sense of becoming someone else than they used to be. The person would stay the same, but have more or less contact with certain aspects of themselves that were there to begin with.

This happened to me not only with sexual identity but also regarding a lot of things I am good at and things I am bad at. Through years of tripping my positive and negative sides are more apparent or pronounced because everything that may once have been more hidden has had better chance of getting to the surface. I was all of these things before I ever took a drug, or at least had tendencies and potentials - personal development has helped to express them and I just think LSD played a role in it.

Note that I am not really trying to argue that this drug miraculously made me better or something fundamentally different, things that are IMO better are the transparency and improved introspection.
 
SWIM is still in high school, so they are attempting to figure out if this was a direct result of the LSD (or the change of mind frame caused by the LSD), the fact that they're still young and haven't really figured things out yet, or something else.
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More than likely the "mind opening" effect of LSD and the fact that you're still growing up both contributed. Remember, your mind and body will continue to develop and change well into your 20's. :) As a teenager it would be wise for you to take it easy with any drugs, but it sounds like you don't have too much to fear from LSD.
 
IMO psychedelics, do not create, but rather emphasize and intensify what is already within you. If you feel that your sexuality has changed, it was inherent within you far before you ever took LSD. Focus on the thoughts and feelings you had, outside of the trip in a sober level headed manner.

I just don't believe that any drug would make me a homosexual, or visa versa for a gay person. The drug wasn't the genesis of your issue, but rather brought it to your attention.
 
IMO psychedelics, do not create, but rather emphasize and intensify what is already within you.
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This x 1000. And do remember that sexuality is not a binary thing. It's entirely possible that a "normally straight" male might actually really take a liking to another guy, or whatever.

If you are still in high school, your horomones are probably going buck-wild too.

[...] sexual attraction to no longer depend on a person's gender. [...] stopped being sexually attracted to someone because of their appearance, but instead because of their personality
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It sounds to me like you are just figuring out bits of life you normally would not have thought about before. (It's a good way to think, too - beauty is more than skin deep.) Nothing has changed inside you except how you see the world.
 
Sexual orientation is not set in stone. You are never born hetro or homosexual, your life experiences help you decide (unconsciously) which way you'll swing.

If sexual orientation was based on the need for a species to survive then homosexuality in animals would be a lot less prominent than it is.

This person spent their 'entire life' being a lesbian, how long was that? I have fund that with a huge number of teenage girls they find it easier to come out as lesbian rather than admit to themselves that they are actually nervous/shy around guys. Cutting themselves off from guys in a sexual way helps them to open up around them. This usually disappears in their early 20's when they realize they're not just attracted to girls.
 
IMHO sexual orientation is a spectrum. Acid opens you up to love and many other things. It also makes you realize things about yourself.

I don't think it can't "change" anything, but it can make you realize/ open to who you really are
 
It can lead you to the realization that perhaps many of the ideas about yourself were molded by others, and not yourself. It will bring out parts of yourself that you might have been afraid to let out before.
 
tl;dr version: yes I think LSD blurs the line by deconstructing the societal rules about this, but I do think (whether it's genetic or learned) your body has acquired a reaction to one sex over the other and that is harder to break than the emotional/spiritual aspect.

It's not very talked about in the gay community but when some guys reach a certain age and are having reproductive urges, they begin having attractions to women that they didn't have previously. Same with some lesbians toward men. IMO it's not because their orientation has changed but because their body wants them to have children and one instinct is overriding another. I mention this because I don't think sexuality is concrete across all situations. It's more likely that most people who identify with a specific label are actually at a point on a spectrum, it's just that modernity gives them the luxury of going after their ideal.

I have experienced pure Oneness on LSD and it has taught me that there is no true separation between anything or anyone. Since my spirituality is focused on love for other beings, I can see that love and Oneness inside of everyone regardless of their sex. If it were just a matter of spiritual communion, I could be with a man or a woman because their spirit would mean more to me, but my body seems to only have that sexual intensity and urge toward one sex. I don't feel it toward women, even if the idea of sex with a woman doesn't necessarily bother me. If I wanted to pro-create I'd rather do it the old fashioned way than jizz in a cup but I don't think it would feel as "right" as when I'm with a man I really love.

Orientation is mind, spirit, and body. They all have to align for it to feel perfect and harmonious, otherwise it's just a disconnected act, which is what I feel being with a woman would be like.
 
^ I think you are reading far too deeply into your psychedelic thoughts. I as a heterosexual can appreciate the human form, but the idea of being with another man is absolutely repulsing. If anything, tripping had made my sexuality more concrete, rather than blurred any lines. There is no spectrum, I have 0 resentment, disagreement or negativity toward homosexuality but I would be disgusted by any homosexual act. It may be subjective, but your post is completely contradictory to my thoughts and feelings on this subject.

Also I think people get far too wrapped up in their supposed 'spiritual love' regardless if gender. I understand platonic love, but that is firmly grounded in my sober life as well. How can you say you don't care about gender, just because you ate spiritual? That sounds like a steaming pile of bullshit to me. You don't have to bring anything metaphysical to this discussion. It's about a chemical and sexuality. Why bring your metaphysical bs to the table?
 
^For me, before ever using psychedelics, I identified just like you. Totally 100% straight. After using them, I don't even feel like identifying with a certain sexual orientation makes sense. It's just a label you can place on someone else or yourself that creates disharmony.

I am attracted to my soulmate, if she was a guy then so be it.
 
^ that is obviously something I cannot refute, nor do I have want to. But it strikes me as incredibly odd, and I believe that you must have some sort of inherent bisexual tendencies if all it took was psychedelics to strip you of a concrete sexual preference. It's just impossible for me to understand, tripping reinforces my sexuality toward women, even the type of women I am attracted to.

OT: trippers are far too concerned with what the call 'love.' I feel like do many psych users are overly impressionable.
 
^Gender stereotypes ain't cool bro. Sexuality varies on an individual basis, not by gender.
 
Also can vary with time. I've always been bi, but as a teen I was much closer to gay, now in my thirties I'm much closer to straight. Not quite sure how my drug use effected this, as I'm very rarely horny while tripping. Even if sexuality is a theme of a trip, I'm rarely turned on by the sexual content as much as coldly curious and observant.
 
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^ I think you are reading far too deeply into your psychedelic thoughts. I as a heterosexual can appreciate the human form, but the idea of being with another man is absolutely repulsing. If anything, tripping had made my sexuality more concrete, rather than blurred any lines. There is no spectrum, I have 0 resentment, disagreement or negativity toward homosexuality but I would be disgusted by any homosexual act. It may be subjective, but your post is completely contradictory to my thoughts and feelings on this subject.

Also I think people get far too wrapped up in their supposed 'spiritual love' regardless if gender. I understand platonic love, but that is firmly grounded in my sober life as well. How can you say you don't care about gender, just because you ate spiritual? That sounds like a steaming pile of bullshit to me. You don't have to bring anything metaphysical to this discussion. It's about a chemical and sexuality. Why bring your metaphysical bs to the table?
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I didn't think I was being metaphysical, just philosophical. I don't have the same disgust as you do toward the idea of engaging in a sexual act with the sex that runs contrary to my orientation, but that doesn't mean I'd ever actually do it.

I'm also not saying that gender doesn't matter because I'm spiritual - that's really oversimplifying what I said. What I was trying to say is that at a certain level of thinking/feeling, physicality doesn't have the emphasis, but that level is not mutually exclusive from my hard wiring. I'd still much rather be with someone that my orientation agrees with.

I dunno, it's hard to explain. Nonetheless, don't call my musings BS. I would never disrespect you in the same way.
 
Solipsis said:
Please do not use phrases like 'SWIM', and also do not refer to pets or friends instead of talking about yourself. All these things are against the rules and they wouldn't protect you in any way, that is a myth.
Thanks. :)

I think drugs like LSD helped me to feel less identified with a gender (like a macho man) but more just as a person. I still feel like I have a gender with the same sexual orientation but there is less mindless focus on it, it has been put much more into perspective and I don't worry about loving someone like my best friend platonically for the person he is.
IMO this all has to do with the general effect of such psychedelics to blur boundaries and to remove fixation on social or cultural conventions.

If LSD would help a person to realize things about themselves I am convinced this is not about true change in the sense of becoming someone else than they used to be. The person would stay the same, but have more or less contact with certain aspects of themselves that were there to begin with.

This happened to me not only with sexual identity but also regarding a lot of things I am good at and things I am bad at. Through years of tripping my positive and negative sides are more apparent or pronounced because everything that may once have been more hidden has had better chance of getting to the surface. I was all of these things before I ever took a drug, or at least had tendencies and potentials - personal development has helped to express them and I just think LSD played a role in it.

Note that I am not really trying to argue that this drug miraculously made me better or something fundamentally different, things that are IMO better are the transparency and improved introspection.
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wow I would have wrote the exact same thing except it has normally been from high dose mushrooms not LSD I normally can't get the balls up to go dose insanely on LSD
 
For the record, it was an LSD experience last year that made me realise I did after all want to be in a relationship with someone, and that I was even curious about sex at all. Effectively, I went from asexual to demisexual in a single night.
 
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