Can i drink a monster energy drink under the circumstances?

[Sksjdjeisnfkeishz]

Just for the record, caffeine and amphetamine together = cardiotoxic, though probably not heavily nor as bad as cocaine is for you.

Yeah im not gonna risk it lol. Thank you for telling me that.

 

[mtu mwendawazimu]

chemicallyenhanced is a monster

adderall is so much better than energy drinks id just wait it out and feel that fresh sobriety make sure u can handle it without substitution if need be, cuz u dont wanna be on drugs forever do you?

if u do no judgment

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

I will be on drugs my whole life, but I am okay with it

 

[mtu mwendawazimu]

me too for bipolar but I never thought adderall was the same?

could be wrong.

 

[unodelacosa]

chemicallyenhanced is a monster

Are you referring to the energy drink here?

adderall is so much better than energy drinks

Not if you're thirsty, lol…

id just wait it out and feel that fresh sobriety

Overrated.

make sure u can handle it without substitution if need be,

Sobriety is for people who can't handle drugs.

cuz u dont wanna be on drugs forever do you?

Hell yes I do. Meanwhile you're on bipolar meds, and there exist insulin-dependent diabetics, and millions of people across the global who would either die or have a greatly reduced quality of life were it not for the drugs they use continually. There is no moral or ethical dilemma here and please do not buy into anyone trying to convince you otherwise. Rise above that shit.

if u do no judgment

Yeah right, that was some passive-aggressive, judgmental drug-shaming. There is nothing wrong with using drugs medically and/or recreationally, and it especially fucks up our society and crowds our prisons when the govt.'s of the world continue to criminalise its otherwise-law-abiding citizens under unjust, drug-prohibition legislation.

Ending prohibition has to start with modifying the current, ignorant way society thinks about drugs. Please be a part of the solution.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Sobriety is for people who can't handle drugs.

can you please keep in mind we are in H&R, where a lot of people are trying to get to sobriety because drugs are ruining their lives, so keep things respectful.

almost nobody in recovery from a drug problem can handle their drugs. people without drug problems may have their reasons not to want to use drugs indefinitely if they don't need them for life supporting purposes. for example, i take sertraline to manage PTSD. i don't want to be on this forever. that's my personal decision. i'll try to come off it when i feel mentally stable enough. that's my choice, my mum's use of insulin for type 1 diabetes is not the same. no one here is demonising using drugs for mental health purposes but there are valid reasons not to want to be on them forever.

 

[mtu mwendawazimu]

Are you referring to the energy drink here?

Not if you're thirsty, lol…

Overrated.

Sobriety is for people who can't handle drugs.

Hell yes I do. Meanwhile you're on bipolar meds, and there exist insulin-dependent diabetics, and millions of people across the global who would either die or have a greatly reduced quality of life were it not for the drugs they use continually. There is no moral or ethical dilemma here and please do not buy into anyone trying to convince you otherwise. Rise above that shit.

Yeah right, that was some passive-aggressive, judgmental drug-shaming. There is nothing wrong with using drugs medically and/or recreationally, and it especially fucks up our society and crowds our prisons when the govt.'s of the world continue to criminalise its otherwise-law-abiding citizens under unjust, drug-prohibition legislation.

Ending prohibition has to start with modifying the current, ignorant way society thinks about drugs. Please be a part of the solution.

no it wasn't drug shaming. I was under the impression ADHD meds were temporary. so excuse me.

I need my meds as I'm sure OP does too.

IMO I'd rather be the way I was when I was younger. drug free. sorry that we disagree, didn't mean to irk anyone.

 

[unodelacosa]

can you please keep in mind we are in H&R, where a lot of people are trying to get to sobriety because drugs are ruining their lives, so keep things respectful.

Duly noted and it's not my intent to disrespect anyone. Let me be clear: not everyone can handle drugs, and that's okay. I don't handle drinking alcohol well whatsoever, so I avoid its consumption, but I don't begrudge anyone else their preference for booze, for example. So I can relate somewhat, and I understand and agree that some people need to avoid drugs. That's cool, I would prefer it if those ppl avoided them as well.

almost nobody in recovery from a drug problem can handle their drugs.

Clearly. I'm not arguing this.

people without drug problems may have their reasons not to want to use drugs indefinitely if they don't need them for life supporting purposes. for example, i take sertraline to manage PTSD. i don't want to be on this forever. that's my personal decision. i'll try to come off it when i feel mentally stable enough. that's my choice, my mum's use of insulin for type 1 diabetes is not the same.

Yes I know. I get that. Listen, if I have a headache and I take two aspirins at noon, that doesn't mean I'm going to continue taking two aspirins each day at noon, obviously. This doesn't mean that I've “quit using Aspirin” or that I should announce and commit to quitting Aspirin, etcetera.

no one here is demonising using drugs for mental health purposes but there are valid reasons not to want to be on them forever.

It's vague wording, too, "be on them forever". Forever? Forever ever? It's just not that dramatic.
But if you say no one here is demonizing drugs, then I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. It's just the wording, to me, smacked of just what you mentioned: “cuz u dont wanna be on drugs forever do you?” (WELL DO YOU??? ←idk, just seem intense to me)
Perhaps I'm being too sensitive?

 

[Snafu in the Void]

Do yourself a favor and drink red bull or sugar free drinks

The ridiculous amount of sugar in a monster is worse for you than crack

Red bull doesn't have corn syrup and is a bit easier on your body

 

[unodelacosa]

no it wasn't drug shaming. I was under the impression ADHD meds were temporary. so excuse me.

Oh apologies then, I read it as drug-shaming.

I need my meds as I'm sure OP does too.

Agreed.

IMO I'd rather be the way I was when I was younger. drug free. sorry that we disagree, didn't mean to irk anyone.

There's no disagreement on your opinions, because those are your opinions. I'm not irked and I was probably just being overly sensitive. But I appreciate the sentiment all the same.

 

[unodelacosa]

Do yourself a favor and drink red bull or sugar free drinks

The ridiculous amount of sugar in a monster is worse for you than crack

It isn't significantly different from full-sugar sodas, especially shit like Mountain Dew. Granted the excess sugar is bad for the liver and over enough time it can lead to health problems like Type II Diabetes and such, but I'm not so sure about artificial sweeteners as an alternative, and there's no way refined sugar is worse for a person than cardiotoxic crack cocaine.

Red bull doesn't have corn syrup and is a bit easier on your body

HFCS55, easily the dominant, most abundant, and most common type of corn syrup on the market, is nearly identical to refined white sugar in terms of nutritional value (or lack thereof). HFCS90 is a different story, but it's rarely used and when it is, it's used sparingly.

RB and Monster are essentially the same crap. So really it's more like: "Do your wallet a favor, and quit blowing money on overpriced energy drinks containing unwanted sugar/sugar substitutes, along with the desired caffeine, Taurine, and B Vitamins you could just source for yourself more affordably and efficiently elsewhere". And in the grand scheme of vices, you could easily do far worse.

 

[Snafu in the Void]

Yeah, I was exaggerating about the crack reference lol

 

[Sksjdjeisnfkeishz]

chemicallyenhanced is a monster

adderall is so much better than energy drinks id just wait it out and feel that fresh sobriety make sure u can handle it without substitution if need be, cuz u dont wanna be on drugs forever do you?

if u do no judgment

I dont want want to be on drugs forever. I could probably be fine without taking aderall period. But i keep taking it because the addict in me wants to have drugs on hand if i ever choose to go back to drugs. Not on drugs now but fantasize about doing it in the future.

I dont like being dependent on shit. I do know i need prozac at least for now

 

[RDP89]

I’d personally do a strong latte/coffee then add some Maca. That’s my go-to when I need some real energy. The maca brings it up a notch.

You could also grow Ephedra sinica and use the sprouts as a source for S-Cathinone. Keep a few plants alive to go to seed so you can keep growing more sprouts.

-GC

Ephedra Sinica doesn’t have any cathinone, it has ephedrine and Psuedoephedrine. It’s The Khat plant that has cathinone.

 

[unodelacosa]

Ephedra Sinica doesn’t have any cathinone, it has ephedrine and Psuedoephedrine. It’s The Khat plant that has cathinone.

Right you are. C. edulis contains norephedrine, aka beta-ketone-amphetamine, but E. sinica does not.

However E. sinica does contain the alkaloids, ephedrine and pseudoephedrine, both of which can be reduced to d-isomer-only methamphetamine with minimal efforts. It could just as easily be converted into methcathinone, which is to cathinone what methamphetamine is to amphetamine. (Obviously here I'm referring more to their respective acid-bonded/salt forms). What's more, unless one is working with fresh samples of Catha edulis, the cathinone quickly decomposes to cathine, aka norpseudoephedrine. It makes me wonder though if cathine can easily be converted back to cathinone the same way ephedrine can be converted to methcathinone…

 

[unodelacosa]

I dont want want to be on drugs forever.

Don't worry – none of us live forever, so this isn't possible in the literal sense. Moreover, one day you'll be too old to take a bunch of shit that might spike your blood pressure, so I'm of the opinion that if you can enjoy it without wreaking havoc on your life, enjoy it while you can. Smoke 'em if you gotta 'em and focus on creating something that will last longer than you will. Life is fleeting.

I could probably be fine without taking aderall period.

Yes, obviously. You don't need much of anything beyond the basics, but why not use the tools available to you?

But i keep taking it because the addict in me wants to have drugs on hand if i ever choose to go back to drugs.

That doesn't make sense. Also, take it easy on all that "addict" talk. Did you know the word "addict" comes from the same etymology as "diction" and "dictionary"? "Addict" literally translates as "spoken for" which, to me, is a lame, flawed analogy.

Moreover, people throw that word around a lot – "oh try these new [XYZ snacks]; they're so addictive." And I'm thinking: ok, are we taking this word seriously or not? I accept that sometimes people have compulsive behavior pattern disorder and that it can become entwined w/substance abuse disorders and the medically recognized conditions of drug-tolerance and drug-dependency. Insofar as "addiction" is shorthand for this phenomenon, I get that it's more convenient and helps us not squander syllables, so I mostly just accept the term and occasionally use it myself. But I still wanted to point that out and urge you to accept yourself for who you are. Self-acceptance is part of loving yourself, which I think is really necessary if you want to be able to love others without hindering them. Make peace with who you are and figure out how to pursue your own happiness without infringing on anyone else's rights. Another, rewarding, possible path in life is to help someone else realize their own dreams and goals, as this in itself can be a deeply satisfying experience in unexpected ways, I've found.

Not on drugs now but fantasize about doing it in the future.

Don't talk about it; be about it.

I dont like being dependent on shit. I do know i need prozac at least for now

And there's nothing wrong with that. Yes you could probably survive without prozac, but who wants to struggle and suffer? There is no need to cast any aspersions on yourself or think of yourself as some permanently crippled "recovering addict" Where does one draw the line? I'd say I'm pretty addicted to eating food and getting nourishment. I'm addicted to respiration and staying reasonably warm. One could make arguments I'm addicted to haircuts, shaving, brushing my teeth, exercising daily, showering, and wearing clean clothes. I'm addicted to being alive, I guess you could say. Certainly there have been a few moments in my life where I didn't want to keep on living; at those moments I wanted to end it (I mean who hasn't contemplated suicide a least a little bit, right?) but dammit, I'm just too addicted to staying alive… not the Bee Gees song, either – it's a good tune, don't get me wrong, I just mean it's very difficult for me to override my survival instinct, because, well I'm cross-addicted to all these tactics to keep myself alive. This hyperbole is, of course, both absurd and intentional…

Some people self-medicate for one reason or another. Some people are depressed, others are afraid for the future, and many people are suffering from various forms of PTSD. Some people just find life too goddamn much to bear, and/or find it unbelievably depressing, drab, cruel, or—perhaps worst of all—indifferent. And all of us desire escape in one form or another, be it movies, books, the so-called "News", music videos, TV, Bluelight, NA meetings, porn, drugs, Chinese food, booze, video games, gambling, or literally whatever. It's a survival tactic. We are all trying to make our way through this world, you know, no need in giving people a hard time, especially yourself. The word "addict" has become this loaded, pejorative term now, and I think you should try speaking more nicely about—and to—yourself and practice self-encouragement and acceptance. Just my unsolicited food-for-thought anyway.