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Can heat destroy 2c's?

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I tried searching this up with no avail. Anyway, it may seem like a simple or obvious question, but..

Will heat destroy any 2c chemicals, such as 2ce/i/b? And does anyone know at what temperature these chemicals are made ineffective? I've tried several 2c compounds before and they usually worked just fine (except for 2cb, never had any luck with that one for some reason). But, with psychedelics like LSD and these 2c's, my most recent trips have all failed. I get these odd, inky visuals that are really minute but also intricate, and things move/warp MUCH more than they normally do - even more than on mushrooms. It can be kinda freaky, honestly. But yeah.. I was wondering if maybe the summer heat could have effected all my chems, causing me to trip this way? I've changed my diet a bit and am planning on taking 2ce/i tonight, so hopefully that helps. I'm going to make sure my supplier has stored his shit properly and I'm also going to make sure that I do the same.

I took 2 2ce pills at a music festival where it was 30-35 degrees Celsius each day, pretty hot. They had been in my tent for 2-3 days and when I took the two of them, I had the same visuals that I described above. That's why I'm thinking that heat has been destroying my trips. I'd just like to know the temperature at which these compounds degrade (as well as LSD), and whatever other info you can provide. Thanks =D
 
I don't believe that heat would change the nature of the trip, if it were to degrade the chemicals, I believe they would be less potent as far as effects go. I mean that you would need to take more to get the same effect and not for the issue of tolerance.

As far as what temperature this is, I have no clue.
 
Well, as Wikipedia states, 2c-e has a melting point of about 247-249 °C so I don't believe feat was a factor in this case.
 
Well that's why I took the second pill.. I had the first one and it was very minimal, and the visuals were COMPLETELY different than previous trips. So I took a second one, and the visuals just got.. weirder. We got the stuff from a trusted source, and I know someone else who had taken the same stuff and had a fine trip. :s
 
If they're pressed pills, they can contain almost anything...

2c-* and MDxx are heat stable, even in e.g. boiling water.

Another thing to consider: there are a few individuals that seem to need 2-4x the amount of a "normal" dose of the 2c's to get tripping. Maybe you are one of them.
 
Pressed pills? Who the fuck presses 2C-I/E/anything-other-than-B into pills!? Sigh, what is the world coming to?

And to stay useful, no, you need a hell of a lot of heat to degrade 2C's.
 
Just about the theory, GriffinLee, the fact that a compound may have a melting point does not mean that it is
impervious to oxidation, and other pyrolytic reactions. The vast majority of compounds can be oxidized or reduced.

So when it comes to 2C-X compounds they sure can be significantly more stable than the often compared tryptamines,
at normal temperature and other physical conditions as well as a bit hotter. But remember that melting does not really
change the compound. So even at the melting point it only 'changes' in a certain way but is still the same substance,
only in another state.

All I'm saying is the points (temperatures as main condition here, but also presence of oxygen and water) where some
2C-Xs and where others degrade has little to do with the melting point although it does indicate stability of the molecule
in general... it is also related to - I believe - size of the molecule and many many other properties such as - I guess -
dipole moment.

example:
DMT has a low melting point / melt-boil range. I think it oxidizes at virtually any temperature you can encounter.
Also, it chars / burns easily if not vaporized with care. Meaning if you apply so much energy (heat) with a lighter, that
it is so much that using it for state change is not enough, and if the excess energy corresponds to a degrading reaction
that can happen with oxygen or just by itself - then you are basically destroying it.

My point being: you cannot assume that one process will happen before another.
I know you never said that explicitly :) so in any case "I'm just sayin"...

Also, I wonder about what can happen to the 4-position groups in 2C-T-X compounds. I heard or read about someone who
dissolved a 2C-T-X compound, I think T-2 or T-7, and the solution started to smell of sulfuric compounds very quickly. Not
sure if that means dihydrogen sulfide, who knows really.
(I was once walking on mount Etna, a vulcano, and entered one of the huge craters that was venting gases and heat and
everything, and I distinctly remember this sulfuric smell similar to burned matches. I think that's sulfur dioxide.)
Anyway story sidetracked a little...
 
So will 2c's degrade at room temperature? I never thought so before now but never had really given it any research.
 
No, 2c compounds will not degrade at room temperature, not even at boiling water temperatures unless you do stupid chemical things to them like put them in peroxide or strong acids.
 
Sorry if I spread confusion with my earlier post. No I guess 2C's do not lose potency to a noticeable or significant extent at room temperature, at least not when stored as dry powder. But that only means it degrades so slow that it's negligible but not absent. For people looking only for a practical answer, never mind the rest and just know that there is no need to worry.
As for 2C's stored long term in solution, I am not sure if there are any that suffer from it... but as a rule you should never store something long term in solution, and not only because of possible contamination. In polar solutions many compounds that have the right atoms or groups will get partially ionized and exist in equilibrium. Those ionic forms can often go into an intermediate state more easily, meaning the first step of a reaction, i.e. degradation.

Personally I would take all that as merely a piece of information for most phenethylamines (except maybe ones such as NBOMe's?), because even in solution I would not expect it to be that much of a problem.

I don't know of any evidence to suspect the stability of 2C-T thioethers in water, the explanations I can think of, of the smell they could produce in solution... are that either the compound itself is smelled, even in trace amounts, or it could have been an impurity that smells much stronger. But it would be a precursor and not a reagent since the thio group is already attached to starting compounds.

NBOMe's have their own stability & storage subthread I think, but it is probably nearly empty. Anyway I would worry about those ones dissociating more than other phenethylamines.
 
Totally agree, have a nice storage of 2c's for special occasions. Even the the hard to get 7 is still looking good :) A Mate had 2cb in liquid, which he'd watered down, and of course after awhile the water went moldy :( keep it as pure form and all should be good :)
 
They're not pressed. I try to avoid pressed pills, I don't trust them one bit.
I tried taking 2ci this weekend and waited for it to hit. And waited. And waited some more. It never hit me at all. I was afraid that it might hit me 7 hours later (this happened to me once with 2cb) and then fuck with the rest of my day so I avoided taking another pill just in case this happened, or in case the second didn't work. I got the pills from my ex and asked him and a few people who had tried it before how it was, they said that one was enough. It's like it just disappeared.. and I didn't throw up at all, so.. >.<
EHH.

However. I was talking to my ex about the pill not kicking in. He did say that 2c's can be a little difficult sometimes with people, and that he and other people he had done 2c's with hadn't always gotten the exact same trips each time (off the same amounts of the same stuff he has). So perhaps it's just the chemicals themselves.. not sure. I'm going to try taking the second one next weekend and see how that goes, hopefully it actually works.

..oh, one last question here.. I do coke sometimes.. would that interfere?
 
On any medications?

As far as temperature effects go, it's more likely the heat affected YOU and how you reacted to the drug than it did the chemical itself.

In addition... it sounds to me like you possibly have sketchy 2C-x and you're maybe hitting threshold doses when you're expecting more. I once had 2C-I where 20mg produced the type of trip I wanted. I then obtained some from a different vendor. 9-12mg does the same as 20-25mg of the original batch.

People think vendors don't cut the 2C's, but they do, and you also get a lot of shitty synths out there.
 
Only medication is adderal 40mg XR, and I only take it when I absolutely need to. So I doubt it would affect me much.
As for heat.. if heat affected my body - well, that may apply for when I was at the festival, but what about this weekend? It wasn't that warm in the house where I was at, so I don't think that's really applicable.

And I don't know if it was cut or not but many of my friends have done this same shit many times and never had any problem with it.
 
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