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Can amphetamines be used in a productive non destructive manner?

I think so. But if you're going to do it successfully you'll need to set clear boundaries that you will not cross.

(Small doses like 10mg, oral dosing, no redosing because "it doesn't feel right yet".)
 
I think compulsive redosing on amphetamine is more related to route of administration.
When taken orally, I rarely feel like taking more.
 
methamphetamine can even be used responsibly, though rare, it is possible if you possess extreme self-control and willpower

racemic or d-amphetamine can be used responsibly, its easier to control amphetamine use than it is meth use, and amphetamine is a bit less neurotoxic

but, this doesn't always mean amp is the best choice all the time, I believe if someone can control low-mid dose meth use, due to its stronger desirable effects, potency, smoothness, and longer duration.. it can be preferrable over other amphetamines in certain situations
 
Vyvanse are just below addies IMO as they make me feel up and down too much but I was more productive on them than any other drug. I used to work in a restaurant as a chef and id pop a Vyvanse or addy an hour before we got busy and just bang out burgers for the next 3 hours. Then id do my cleanup fast as hell. All in all they were great for me at work and I never felt the urge to take more after dosing. My boss knew what was up I think but he didnt care because like the entire cook staff was on them and we were efficient as fuck.
 
Well, I have for the past few years now taken amphetamines once a month (a three day binge, no sleep). I don't think this applies to everybody, however. It all depends on the individual and their proclivity to amphetamine dependency. For me, the amount of euphoria I receive is directly proportional to my productivity. If I'm not doing shit, I feel like shit, but if I spend all of my amphetamine time busy I feel outstanding. I use it for work and to do a shit-ton of reading.

Life is fucking unfair however, and some people might not be able to do this without eventually becoming addicted. I believed I could use opiates cautiously, and that didn't get me very far. Some people will have the same reaction to amphetamines. If they feel really, really good whether you get shit done or not, be cautious. That would be my best guess as to someone's proclivity towards addiction. Most serious stimulant addicts I know spend their time pacing around not doing shit, stumbling from useless task to useless task, which always seems like a waste of good stimulation to me.
 
I believe they can. For me, there are work stimulants (amphetamine's), party stimulants (4-MCC, propylhexadrine, 4-FA) and then stimulants that can be used for both (MDPV, Cocaine).

IME, I've only had problems with MDPV and Cocaine, mostly due to the fact that both drugs are very fiendish, especially when used with my ROA (IV). MDPV worked great as a study aide/motivational tool, but I also chased the rush so much that it always ended bad for me. I've had a few binges with amphetamines that went a little bit too far, but for the most part, Vyvanse, adderall and Dexadrine are drugs that I can use safely, and in moderation.
 
Znegative said:
I believe they can. For me, there are work stimulants (amphetamine's), party stimulants (4-MCC, propylhexadrine, 4-FA) and then stimulants that can be used for both (MDPV, Cocaine).

IME, I've only had problems with MDPV and Cocaine, mostly due to the fact that both drugs are very fiendish, especially when used with my ROA (IV). MDPV worked great as a study aide/motivational tool, but I also chased the rush so much that it always ended bad for me. I've had a few binges with amphetamines that went a little bit too far, but for the most part, Vyvanse, adderall and Dexadrine are drugs that I can use safely, and in moderation.
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i cannot focus for shit on cocaine, i think that one should go in the "party stim" category.
 
Depends what you're doing on it I reckon. 5-6 years ago I was using street paste weekly clubbing for 3-4 months. Nowadays it's maybe once every 2-3 months [with my justifiable 'reason', 'oh its party time', 'oh i've got an arbitrarily large amount of work to do']. As a non-addicted recreational, very occasional amp user, yes I do believe it can be used productively, only as and when applied to do so however! I have done so, typing reports and research up. Good for productivity, mundane tasks and occasionally creativity I have previously found. Lack of sleep when using it late night but thats part and parcel.. Deal with personal health issues/next day comedown with sunlight/vitamins/food/excersise. But then again nowadays, I would not use as occasionally or as mch as I have done in the past, so I could not comment on its ability to 'take hold' and possibly stop normal productivity otherwise or cause more destructive aspects related to regular use.
 
When I pick up a batch of amphetamine pills I see two uses, one is the academic route where you take ~30mgs and study to get things done.

The problem is I never take 30mgs to study, if I get a batch I will snort anywhere from 90mgs, 120mgs, 150mgs, and even 230mgs for a recreational dose. When I am taking a high recreational dose for euphoria, I cannot focus and study under those doses. I'm sure a lower doses you can study be productive, and it might even be as harmful as taking a triple digit recreational dose.

What it boils down to is I don't have the self-control to just do 30mgs and study. If I snort a pill, I will snort another one, and another one and so on so I can get higher.

-PLUR
 
Vyvanse it nice; it's not really a party drug like maybe Adderal might be (at least compared to Vyvanse) but it's the slight euphoria with total focus that makes it so great. I get some off my friend every couple weeks so my tolerance stays low and I don't wanna be a speed-freak. They make me super-student; I think I'd rather take Vyvanse in school than painkillers at home. It totally reverses my introverted self into social and school superhero. To me, Vyvanse is great but I've heard people talk down on it for the weak euphoria compared to other amphetamines; but amps just aren't the best stimulants for euphoria to begin with. If you're going to use it as a study aid; be careful tolerance build up quick with amps so try to space out when you actually are going to use them in the non-prescribed manor, especially if you're also taking them as prescribed.
 
Occasional low dose use, sure!

But once you FIRST abuse that adderall... once that dopamine FIRST starts surging through your reward center, you ARE going to want more. You ARE going to want to do it again. Its really only a matter of time till you're not taking them everyday for study anymore, but saving them up all week so you can get enough to get high.


Its a drug that changes the way you think, so you think that you NEED to do it. Do you think you can use something like that responsibly?
 
gingervitus said:
Vyvanse it nice; it's not really a party drug like maybe Adderal might be (at least compared to Vyvanse) but it's the slight euphoria with total focus that makes it so great. I get some off my friend every couple weeks so my tolerance stays low and I don't wanna be a speed-freak. They make me super-student; I think I'd rather take Vyvanse in school than painkillers at home. It totally reverses my introverted self into social and school superhero. To me, Vyvanse is great but I've heard people talk down on it for the weak euphoria compared to other amphetamines; but amps just aren't the best stimulants for euphoria to begin with. If you're going to use it as a study aid; be careful tolerance build up quick with amps so try to space out when you actually are going to use them in the non-prescribed manor, especially if you're also taking them as prescribed.
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Amphetamines are typically the best stimulants for euphoria -_-
 
Folley said:
Its a drug that changes the way you think, so you think that you NEED to do it. Do you think you can use something like that responsibly?
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+1

That's exactly right. People who have never taken or abused adderall don't seem to understand it, but after taking it for so long, you forget what it's like to function without it, and it's a total mind-fuck; you feel incapable of performing even the simplest task, and you feel even less productive and less motivated than before you began taking the adderall.

I know that when I quit taking dope, man, I'm going to be pretty sick for a couple weeks and it will be a miserable experience for me; but when I quit taking adderall, although there were only very few physical symptoms, the complete mental-exhaustion and deep depression that followed lasted months.
 
How long were you taking Adderall, Verso? And what were your daily dosages and dosing patterns? Routes of administration?

These are all very valid points, and I'm trying to be very careful with my own use to not feel any repercussions, and hope to walk away comfortably whenever I choose to stop taking it.

I am using DXM along with Mg, Zn, Ibuprofen, fish oil, B vitamin complex with vitC, melatonin, and vit D3 to protect from tolerance and neurotoxicity, but maybe I should get Memantine at a low dose as well. I've only used up to 17.5mg a few times over the course of a day, usually 12.5-15mg dexedrine over the course of a day, and on my off-days 2.5-5mg dex. It seriously eliminates all urges to smoke weed and do opiates for me, and allows me to drive much safer (no speeding, weaving, or 30mph right turns) and actually let people talk before interrupting them. I denied having ADD for a long time, but I am definitely a clear cut case, unfortunately.

To me, on a neuronal level, at least, it seems that if someone is not clearly ADD, then even little doses, like 5mg, will screw up their mesolimbic reward pathways. But, raising an ADD-level's DA levels to a "normal transmitting" level? Where's the harm in that? This should only take 5-15mg Dex over the course of a day, imo. Mind you, I've never abused amps, never done cocaine, MDMA, powerful opiates, never snorted any drug other than Lyrica once. I sincerely care about my brain, and am open to reading any arguments against responsible amp use in the ADD individual. And I don't mean "diagnosed" with ADD, I mean noticeably wired differently. People would poke fun at me all the time for being ADD, constantly losing important shit, constantly late, etc. I thought my mom was so annoying and rude, constantly interrupting people, getting oversensitive to the most minor teasing, losing focus in conversations, then I realized I was the same exact way when I'm sober.

ADD is definitely very real, just know that less than 10% of the population have it, and that small doses of amps reduce impulsivity and restore normal brain function in the ADHD individual (no amp induced motivation, motormouthing, interrupting people, euphoria, compulsive cleaning, or any other side effect normal transmitting brains would get from amps).
 
verso said:
+1

I know that when I quit taking dope, man, I'm going to be pretty sick for a couple weeks and it will be a miserable experience for me; but when I quit taking adderall, although there were only very few physical symptoms, the complete mental-exhaustion and deep depression that followed lasted months.
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Yup, real talk. Amphetamines are a hard trap to beat.
 
No doubt as those above have stated amps can be used in a controlled manner to increase productivity for work/study or even for physical tasks like sport - drugs can also be very strong motivator to perform, e.g. "If I can achieve <??> my personal reward will be to go on a bender"

however if used consistently for a long time, your body gains a physical and psychological addiction to the drug. I think it always comes down to the person not the drug, moderation is the key
 
ErgicMergic said:
How long were you taking Adderall, Verso? And what were your daily dosages and dosing patterns? Routes of administration?

These are all very valid points, and I'm trying to be very careful with my own use to not feel any repercussions, and hope to walk away comfortably whenever I choose to stop taking it.

I am using DXM along with Mg, Zn, Ibuprofen, fish oil, B vitamin complex with vitC, melatonin, and vit D3 to protect from tolerance and neurotoxicity, but maybe I should get Memantine at a low dose as well. I've only used up to 17.5mg a few times over the course of a day, usually 12.5-15mg dexedrine over the course of a day, and on my off-days 2.5-5mg dex. It seriously eliminates all urges to smoke weed and do opiates for me, and allows me to drive much safer (no speeding, weaving, or 30mph right turns) and actually let people talk before interrupting them. I denied having ADD for a long time, but I am definitely a clear cut case, unfortunately.

To me, on a neuronal level, at least, it seems that if someone is not clearly ADD, then even little doses, like 5mg, will screw up their mesolimbic reward pathways. But, raising an ADD-level's DA levels to a "normal transmitting" level? Where's the harm in that? This should only take 5-15mg Dex over the course of a day, imo. Mind you, I've never abused amps, never done cocaine, MDMA, powerful opiates, never snorted any drug other than Lyrica once. I sincerely care about my brain, and am open to reading any arguments against responsible amp use in the ADD individual. And I don't mean "diagnosed" with ADD, I mean noticeably wired differently. People would poke fun at me all the time for being ADD, constantly losing important shit, constantly late, etc. I thought my mom was so annoying and rude, constantly interrupting people, getting oversensitive to the most minor teasing, losing focus in conversations, then I realized I was the same exact way when I'm sober.

ADD is definitely very real, just know that less than 10% of the population have it, and that small doses of amps reduce impulsivity and restore normal brain function in the ADHD individual (no amp induced motivation, motormouthing, interrupting people, euphoria, compulsive cleaning, or any other side effect normal transmitting brains would get from amps).
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Not only do I have ADD , but I have characteristics of an actual deficit in dopamine

Voracious Hunger, Poor attention/focus/concentration, Low motivation, Laziness, Anxiety, never finishing what I start, rapid loss of interest, ehhh, muscle movements can be... not as smooth as they should be?
20mg of adderall XR and this is almost completely fixed
or 5-10mg of d-methamphetamine (smoked)
 
Steps said:
Not only do I have ADD , but I have characteristics of an actual deficit in dopamine

Voracious Hunger, Poor attention/focus/concentration, Low motivation, Laziness, Anxiety, never finishing what I start, rapid loss of interest, ehhh, muscle movements can be... not as smooth as they should be?
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This is me, to a T. Poor motor coordination and a relentless appetite are particularly bad ones that could or could not be part of ADD.

ADD is generally a deficit of Dopamine, in the prefrontal cortex that is. It was explained to me the orchestrator of the brain, the executive function manager that controls where your focus should be. If he is sleepy (not enough Dopamine), then you cannot control what you focus on, and the orchestra play a sub par tune. So, you'll bump in to things, be very clumsy, lose interest, daydream, not be focused, not pick up on social cues, etc.

Saw this posted online, it should explain what I was talking about in my earlier posts:
It's currently hypothesized that there's sort of a bell curve with regards to catecholamine levels (catecholamines are the neurotransmitters released by stimulants) and attention/focus. Low levels mean poor attention and focus, moderate levels mean increasingly better attention and focus, and high to very high levels again mean poor attention and focus.

If (as it's hypothesized) ADHDers have naturally low catecholamine levels, taking stimulants knocks them into the moderate range, which allows them to focus as well as normal folk. Normal people who take stimulants may also improve their focus somewhat, but because their catecholamine levels are already in the moderate range, higher doses will more quickly start to impair their focusing abilities. The same will eventually happen to people with ADHD, too, but because they start out with lower levels to begin with, they'll require much higher doses than those required by normal people to make it to the other side of the bell curve.
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The problem with that style of thinking is that amphetamines lead to even lower levels of dopamine in the long run. I know it's the obvious, but I'm going to state it.
 
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