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Camera's could be installed on Vic St Richmond - THE AGE 19/04/11

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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/c...e-eye-on-drug-market-20110418-1dlq7.html#poll

THE open-air drug market that is Victoria Street, Richmond could be set for major change after a police proposal to install CCTV cameras in the area.
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So do you guys think this will help at all? The place is pretty crazy when everyone was out you could always count on Vic St.

Even if it does another suburb or Street near by will be the new place. I am sure all the ATM's in the stores get used and the store owners like that, as well as the Comm Bank on the corner :P
 
lol i love have the media lets people know where to go and find drugs, and what new drugs to look out for.

have trouble scoring? head to victoria street, wheres theres drugs abound! if those drugs bore you, then keep an eye out for the latest rc's to hit the streets. i remember when 'meow" was in the media pretty much everyone i know who saw it was like "hot damn lets go get some of that it sounds rockin!"

i had no idea about victoria street. then again i dont want heroin, and i can find everything i need easy enough in 'closed air' markets lol.

it'll do jack shit tho, cant possibly put enough cameras to watch the entire area, and untill they do people will just move to other spots which cant be hard to find....sigh more money wasted
 
This article is so stupid, how many people who are curious to try heroin but never had any previous oppurtunity to do so are going to end up flocking to Vic st in the next week, I am guessing a lot... It never fails to amaze me when big time newspapers who claim to be anti drug basically give people a road map on how/where to score drugs, how could they not realise that articles like this are basically a free advertisment for all the hustlers down Vic st waiting for their next customer.

Cameras wont do shit, it might go a little bit underground or pop up a few suburbs over but the fact is these drug markets will never disappear. Australia should just thank itself lucky that its open air drug markets are the way they are compared to the way things are in American with people getting shot openly and Law Enforcement often focusing on busting users.

Although I concede it is one area I don't have a lot of experience in, generally when I have witnessed street level dealing it wasn't over the top like America where you go down the street and different crews will holler out their stamp bag names, its not something most people would really encounter without seeking it out. Also our street level dealers aren't carrying guns and shooting people in the street everyday, I can see how it would be a slight annoyance to the local business owners to have dealers and junkies nearby but really it isn't hurting anyone.
 
^yes you are right - tendering finished in March and they should be up and running in Footscray from July. The feed will go directly to Footscray police station for "passive surveillance". Yay :|

Look - cameras do jack - everyone knows that. There was a mad drug scene on Bourke and Russell until mid 2000s and there are cameras everywhere there. That drug market has been shut down but imo camaeras had nix to do with that - more about the evolution of the area as a shopping/entertainment precinct and some goddam intensive policing over an extended period, plus the closure of some particular establishments that may have been implicated in trade...

London is one of the most heavily surveilled cities in the world - I read a report a year or so ago stating that all those cameras had very little impact on crime. The standard line has always been - OK maybe a camera won't prevent a crime but it will assist in convicting the criminal after the fact. However this report from the UK said that even that wasn't really happening - the video evidence needs to be treated very carefully in order to be admissable in court, and often that just doesn't happen. I have even heard that malls in the UK are banning the wearing of hoodies - because you can't see people's faces on the cameras when they are hoodied up!

Cameras may change the way drug markets operate, but they won't get rid of them. I thought it was particularly cynical of the police officer quoted in this article basically saying he didn't care if it just shifted the problem elsewhere - "that's what any big operation does". Basically admitting that law enforcement has no impact on drug availability and is just a PR exercise to appease the media and the average punter
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^ moving PHD would have helped a tad with some of the russell st cleanliness lol

i didnt realise vic st even had such going on.
i know its fair ghetto, but i've never even had to think about asking a random on the street for any kind of gear.
 
Thats the point you dont really have to ask its more of a look and nod haha followed by a number most dont know more english than that haha. The dealers are way obvious
 
wish there was an open air market here in Adelaide :( Would simplify things a lot.
 
Crankinit said:
wish there was an open air market here in Adelaide :( Would simplify things a lot.
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back in the day when Earth was pumping, it was sorta a open air market wasn't it not dude??

by the way that nightclub has now been shutdown, so i think its ok to name names right? if not some kind mod can censor me out :)
 
headdah said:
back in the day when Earth was pumping, it was sorta a open air market wasn't it not dude??

by the way that nightclub has now been shutdown, so i think its ok to name names right? if not some kind mod can censor me out :)
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Yeah this is true :p Could almost always find what you want either in the club or the surrounding carparks/alleyways on any given weekend. But like you said Earth is gone and none of the other clubs in the city these days are nearly as blatant about drug dealing (possibly because of a lack of drugs worth dealing, but that's another topic entirely).
 
I had no idea about this, I knew Victoria St was suspect but I didn't know of any open air sort of drug market going on, can anyone confirm this or is this just the media blowing things out of proporition?
 
Wow, like many others I had no idea. I knew Vic St was kinda dodgy but I didn't know that was all going on. Thanks to The Age, now everyone knows. Bet some dealers are going to be mighty happy this weekend.
 
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