california medicinal marijuana registry

[slimvictor]

^ Will you be risking your life to help people and save lives?

Many of us here are saying that you will be risking your life to bust people for possession of cannabis.
That doesn't help people.
It doesn't save lives.

I don't think anyone is expecting that one must be a saint to be a cop.
Quite the opposite, maybe...

But the point is that you will be arresting people and fucking up their lives for doing something that you yourself do.
That is extremely immoral and reprehensible.
And you will probably be forced to do so many, many times.

You can use the excuse that you don't want the money made from weed to finance truly bad things, but that is just an excuse.

What it comes down to is that you will have to be completely two-faced.
During the day, you will "teach" kids that smoking weed is wrong.
Those who are selling weed on the "black market" will be fucked as you take their freedom and the future from them.
That night, you will go home and spark up a bowl.
To me, that is very, very wrong.

 

[!_MDMA_!]

lol? more and more police departments are allocating less and less of their funds to marijuana arrests, so no the main thing wont be involved at all with cannabis. raids and such are particularly for the drug force, and they are rare when they do happen

most police work will be done on the streets, where i do have much more freedom

secondly, kids under 18 shouldnt smoke weed, i wish i hadnt began as early as i did, theres a big difference between an adult smoking and a child (ill reiterate that i wont smoke on the job)

not everyone is gonna agree with every law, some just have to be enforced, its up to the citizens to petition government and force a change
minors can be let off frequently just for having weed, adults are aware of the risk they make when they break the law
is it my fault they lose their job or college education when they are aware of the consequences before they began smoking? no
don't blame the messenger

im curious what kind of past choices are cool to become a cop after?

 

[drug_mentor]

yea i've had a past, so has every other cop, we're all humans

if cops were regulated on the saint-like conditions you seem to expect from them we'd have none and there'd be no enforcement = chaos

i've learned from my mistakes with drug use or sale, and i'm not supportive of it at all, so i dont feel like a hypocrite

there will be a few times where i'll feel bad for what i have to do, but if i'm risking my life everyday to help people and save lives, and that's the biggest sacrifice then i can live with that

e/ i dont plan on smoking if i ever get the job, itd be too important to lose
i think its pretty funny that you guys hold this utopian idea of what cops have to be
why dont we try to institute communism again while we're on this tangent

id assume you'd be realistic that cops have lives just like you, they arent perfect

id be supportive of cops that are lenient to the drug culture, when lets be real completely straightedge people are not, those cool cops most of have encountered arent

cops are supposed to uphold the laws when they are cops, its unfair and unrealistic to assume theyve been robots their whole life before they chose their field

You got to learn from your mistakes without being thrown in jail right? So why is it OK to go throwing people in jail for those same mistakes? If you think thats justified then maybe you should go turn yourself in for all your wrongdoing and pay your debt to society too? Its pretty hypocritical in my view to think its cool for you to get away with it and then go fuck over other people for the same thing.

I don't really know how many lives the average cop saves, it certainly does happen but my guess is that it's not a whole hell of a lot, you would almost certainly fuck over a lot more people than you save. The fact of the matter is many more people get caught by police for drugs and other petty offenses than murder and rape, its a nice thought to be locking away people who perpetrate the latter crimes but you must be kidding yourself if thats what you think most of your time will be spent on. Criminal convictions make people lose time of their life they can't get back, it affects their employment prospects, limits travel options, in some cases gets peoples children taken away (which more often than not is bad for the innocent kid too) and it punishes the families of those locked up. The only people benefitting are the cops getting paid to round people up for mostly petty crimes and the people who own the prisons who have basically instituted modern day slavery, paying workers cents per hour and profitting greatly from the fruits of their labour. If you are going to subject a few people to this lifelong ordeal everyday then I would say you have a LOT of lives to save to counterbalance that, if its even possible to do so...

I don't think its "utopian" to think that at the very least cops should not have consistently broken the laws they will generally be expected to uphold. I mean I wouldn't necessarily call a cop who smoked a joint or two in High School a hypocrite for busting weed smokers (thats not to say I would think any better of what they were doing) but anyone who ever made anything close to a habit of it it's a different story.

In my opinion it is your fault if someone you arrest loses their job on account of said arrest, they may know the risks but you damn well know what your doing too. They are just trying to enjoy themselves, you're the one who wants to go be a dick and fuck that up for people even though you have done the same shit, infact obviously still do to some extent otherwise you wouldn't of made this thread. I tried not to judge you to begin with but a couple of your follow up statements have made that difficult. Let me clear something up, when you arrest someone you are the enforcer, not the messenger, BIG difference.

You say its up to the citizens to force a change but really Law Enforcement has more power in this regard, there simply couldn't be drug laws if the police refused to enforce them. You say if people didn't sign up due to not agreeing with certain laws or having a chequered past there would be chaos, but did you ever stop to think that if this lead to a real police shortage the Government wouldn't be forced to rethink their stance on some things, or at the very least refocus their smaller police force to the crimes that actually matter?

I don't expect cops to be robots, but your starting to sound like one. Theres this thing called empathy, its the ability to put yourself in anothers shoes, apparently you don't have any because if you did then you would realise the horrible position you will be putting many people in.

 

[Artificial Emotion]

I don't know if he's rationalizing or just being naive. Either way it's unethical and hypocritical.

!_MDMA_! you seem to imply you would let people off at your own discretion where possible but then later on state that its up to the citizens to force a change in the law. If this is true then you can't consistently decline to prosecute people for drugs offenses since I'm sure that could amount to some sort of police misconduct. You are would not merely be a messenger but an instrument of the state directly used to enforce drug law. You should instead do as you say and actually go through the right channels and campaign for legalization rather than trying to thwart investigations into drug users as some sort of police mole. Because of the way the police work, you would get found out pretty quickly too since it would be readily apparent to any partners you work with for example or as I said earlier, you would regularly be forced to carry out warrants against growers or drug users where a refusal to cooperate would be obvious to all concerned. You seem to have a warped view of the actual role of the police, since for most front line police officers busting drug users/growers is the bread and butter and lion share of police work. Since you would be informed about your job description from the start, you would willfully be getting into these situations knowing full well that what you would be doing is wrong.

If you decided to put your past drug use to one side that's one thing but what you're saying is that you want to continue to use cannabis (and possibly other illegal drugs) whilst busting people and ruining their lives at the same time for doing the exact same thing. If you can't see what's wrong with that then may god help you. I do think that regular drug testing may very well preclude you from being able to work in the profession in the first place thankfully, so this is probably all a moot point anyway.

 

[Chainer]

e/ i dont plan on smoking if i ever get the job, itd be too important to lose

Here is where my misunderstanding took place - I thought you planned on continuing your drug habits while enforcing others.

Obviously this sentence is pretty sensical:

i think its pretty funny that you guys hold this utopian idea of what cops have to be
why dont we try to institute communism again while we're on this tangent

I will say it is a good utopian idea - but it's unrealistic. Remember, the people disagreeing with you have been on the losing side of certain (imo unjust) laws. I never posted anything agaisnt you or suggested what a perfect cop should be, but rather took issue with some of the broader statements made.

I'm enlisted in Airforce right now, and it seems to me I will be shipped off somewhere sandy and such. Risking my life for the country is noble and all, but you do realize that it's a job and a paycheck for most people, and that's it. Pride is a bonus factor, do not expect others to show it to you (I've been chastized for taking part in a violent machine and being a cog in a murder factory - I think you should get used to these types of people.)

Good luck to you.

As this has become a social topic, I'm going to close it now to avoid any future conflict. I think you got your answer and anything else will just be a back and forth.