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BZP- First Time -- Mediocre

fairnymph

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Location
Germany for now, US again soon
Dose: 200 mg BZP i.e. benzylpiperazine
Setting: I'm on a two hour drive to visit my bf.
Experience: with most other drugs, much experience with stimulants. First time with BZP.
Note: I am taking corticosteroids for an allergic reactions (40 mg prednisone/day). I don't think that this affected my BZP experience at all but I wanted to note it regardless.
1:45 am
I am driving up in my car to Sacramento to see my bf. I've had a pretty shitty day -- running around trying to find a big paycheck that got lost in the mail -- and I'm tired from not sleeping enough, and just generally feeling stressed out and depressed. My fatigue is beginning to bother me a bit though, as I drive very poorly when sleep-deprived. I decide impulsively to take some of the BZP I have on hand...
(Note: I do not recommend driving on a drug the first time you do it, and in hindsight I can see that my judgement was perhaps poor. Still, I am very experienced at driving on stimulants (and I drive better than normally) and I am safe driver in general...and I knew enough about BZP to gauge that I'd probably be fine to drive on it. Furthermore, I WAS feeling rather tired and it seemed like BZP wourld be better to drive on than sleep deprivation.)
1:55 am
I swear I can feel some effects already...I don't really know how to describe them...my head feels a little different, there is an uneasiness in my stomach, and overall I feel ever so sightly altered. It amazes me that I could begin feeling it so soon....my stomach is fairly empty, other than a handful of vitamins I had taken an hour beforehand....possibly these increased the absorption of the BZP?
2:05 am
Yep, it definitely wasn't placebo that I was feeling earlier...the same general 'weird slightly fucked up' feeling is growing. My eyes feel different, maybe like they are dilated? My neck has been bothering me all day and I notice a slight headache creep up towards the base of my skull...seemingly a result of the BZP.
2:15 am
At this point I am begining to feel some pleasant effects. Mild euphoria (not too different from amphetamine-like euphoria), a nice feeling in my head, though NOT in the same place of my head that I get a good feeling on amphetamines. I find myself wishing that the BZP sensitized this particular region of my head -- but oh well. I can still feel that nagging little headache too. My eyes continue to feel weird, as if they are wiggling around a bit, but they still feel tired. Overall, I'm still tired, which I find annoying as I was hoping the BZP would wake me up...
I give my bf a call to tell him where I am and doing so definitely picks up my mood a bit. I put on some cds -- first Madonna and then Tori Amos -- and I'm having a fairly pleasant time driving along listening to the music.
2:30
Yep, I'm still coming up but I feel a (mild)body high now (some skin sensitivity in addition to an upper chest/torso glowlike warmth) and my head-euphoria is still increasing. The little headache seems to have dropped off into the background and while I am still aware of it it no longer bothers me...still feeling tired at this point. I'm also feeling slightly confused (as I do on a strong dose of MDMA coming up) -- I want to skip to the next song on my discman and my fingers get confused spatially, thinking there are three buttons when there are only two. This annoys me, as I don't like feeling confused (even if only so slightly) and I miss the clarity of amphetmine/methamphetamine.
There is a distinct speedy quality to the drug (even though I don't really feel alert yet?) -- my thoughts are rushing through more quickly, my obsessive-compulsive thoughts and anxiety are noticeably worse.
I notice that unlike on other stimulants, I don't feel insanely horny. However, about 15 minutes before arrriving at my bf's, I start feeling a little horny....I think it's mostly mental, though, and not related to BZP. On a side note, a few hours later we have sex and I realize that I am not gonna come...or at least, not without substantial effort. Sooo, BZP does seem to delay orgasm...
3:00 am
I seem to have evened out/plateaued at this point and I'm feeling in a nice place...not amazing, but pleasant and comfortable. I am still having some nagging thoughts but I've become more used to them.
4:45 am
At this point I begin truly coming down, though it is, like the comeup, exceptionally gradual. I have never experienced a more gradual come up and come down on any other drug. 4-methylaminorex is somewhat similar in its comedown but again, not as smooth.
Interestingly, it is really only at this point that I stop feeling slightly confused, and begin feeling actually alert/stimulated/woken up.
7:00 am
I am at baseline now, and able to doze off.
Next day
No noticeable lingering effects or hangover. Noticeable but not severe lack of appetite -- comparable to low doses of amphetamine sulfate orally.
I'm not particularily interested in trying this drug again, despite how cheap and available it is...not really because of any negative effects, but simply because there were few really positive effects. I might try it in a different setting and mindset, though, as that may have had some effect...Overall, though, I'd just rather do other stimulants...especially as I try to be moderate with my stimulant use...I want to save my getting high for better drugs.
 
Very nice report, describes the effects of BZP very well. In the near future I might indulge my self with this drug, even though Im not a big fan of stims, this is something I wanna try.
 
great job, fair...as always. i tried BZP for the first time not too long ago at a jungle club on a weekday. i needed something to pick me up. so me and a couple others, before heading to the club dosed some. i did substantially less than everyone else cause i had to work early the next day, and i wanted to be sure i would be able to sleep when i got home.
because of my dosage, i only felt a mild head buzz and was just very energetic and ancy. and yes, i did have trouble goin to sleep that night. hehe! :) after about an hour though, i was able to knock out.
i hear ya about the drug. its not necessarily "the bizzomb" but you get what you pay for ya know.
excellent and interesting. see you soon.
 
I find that the confusion on bzp means your comming up and the speedy feeling of bzp means your comming down.
After the confusion my thoughts were still kinda non linear but i had full controll over them didnt stutter stumble over words. also i find as the bzp wears off the more it does the more i can remember about things i forgot long ago. like its a memory jogger.
i find also that as little as an oral dose of 50mg gives you another 45 minutes -1:30 of speedyness. and if taken that way you get head tingles when it kicks in
This isnt so much a stimulant when your on it. i kinda feel like the ice empathogenic. Im interested in what others say. I find that my dancing is more fluidic like a triptimine.
I find that body toxicity has a certain feeling with bzp while your on it you can kinda feel the body load but after you come off it its like your awake again and you hadnt done anything all night. kinda how i feel when my circadian rythem gets thrown back on track.
My body craved excess amounts of water that bzp makes you think you need because your mouth is parched and throat is slightly constricted. but i knew there was no way i could be needing as much water as i drank and it gets filtered threw your system just as fast as you drink it
I havnt slept yet but i feel witty and cool. This happened with my sister and me i was making her laugh when she was waking up for work, seemed like everything i said was a grand joke it was comming so easily a kind of joksters speed comedown. Than about 40 minutes latter i felt all dragged out and tired. slightly irratable but not enough to make me snappish
-phil-
[ 21 June 2002: Message edited by: liquidphil1 ]
 
Far be it from me to be pedantic. But I did notice the distinctly unsafe setting that this trip had.
Fairnymph: This is a website devoted to harm minimisation. Driving under the influence of ANY substance, regardless of how many times you have experimented with it is extremely unsafe. Regardless of your opinon of how safe your driving is, it is extremely irresponsible to do this, as your ability is almost always impaired in some way due to your altered mental state.
Super Important - Drugs and Driving
Besides that, it was a great trip report.
-plaz out-
[ 22 June 2002: Message edited by: plazma ]
 
hmmm i would also think this site would want honest account of a trip report. while it is unwise to do what she did she only wanted to tell the entiretly of her trip. Would you rather she sensored herself? and isnt it why you are there to tell her she diod wrong so other people dont do it. i think and honest report was valid i think your replying telling her that it was unwise to do it was valid. harm reduction completed.
-phil-
 
You can compliment the report. You can post about BZP. You can ask fairnymph questions about her experience. But you CANNOT talk about the fact she was driving a car! That issue is a dead horse.
(For the curious, the original thread is in the archives and I'll splice them together later.)
 
i liked the arguing thread better especially when fairnymph said "suck my cock" ROFLMAO ah well..... ill repost this
origonally posted by liquidphil1:
I find that the confusion on bzp means your comming up and the speedy feeling of bzp means your comming down.
After the confusion my thoughts were still kinda non linear but i had full controll over them didnt stutter stumble over words. also i find as the bzp wears off the more it does the more i can remember about things i forgot long ago. like its a memory jogger.
i find also that as little as an oral dose of 50mg gives you another 45 minutes -1:30 of speedyness. and if taken that way you get head tingles when it kicks in
This isnt so much a stimulant when your on it. i kinda feel like the ice empathogenic. Im interested in what others say. I find that my dancing is more fluidic like a triptimine.
I find that body toxicity has a certain feeling with bzp while your on it you can kinda feel the body load but after you come off it its like your awake again and you hadnt done anything all night. kinda how i feel when my circadian rythem gets thrown back on track.
My body craved excess amounts of water that bzp makes you think you need because your mouth is parched and throat is slightly constricted. but i knew there was no way i could be needing as much water as i drank and it gets filtered threw your system just as fast as you drink it
I havnt slept yet but i feel witty and cool. This happened with my sister and me i was making her laugh when she was waking up for work, seemed like everything i said was a grand joke it was comming so easily a kind of joksters speed comedown. Than about 40 minutes latter i felt all dragged out and tired. slightly irratable but not enough to make me snappish
-phil-
and on a side note after 750mg my urination hurt. but only for that first pee. as if to say you homie this was not meant to be taken in such high doses.
Also i am an exsperienced methamphetimine user and i have never written a tweeker manifest {that long list thats perfectly orginized with details great handwritting and complete thoughts on the topic you are writting about} but on a gram of bzp, 1000mg, i wrote my very first one. very nice. Made fairnymph laugh because she knows i dont do such things.
-phil-
[ 13 July 2002: Message edited by: liquidphil1 ]
 
OK then... An excellent report on irresponsible activities.
Really though... to disallow discussion of one of the more important elements in the report is sort of like if you told a reporter at a murder trial "You can compliment the lawyers voices, you can talk about what the jurors were wearing, but you can not talk about the fact that someone was killed!" Hypothetically speaking, if someone in a trip report discusses a highly dangerous activity such as taking recklessly high doses or driving on experimental drugs, and you allow people to compliment the report but don't allow them to point out how dangerous the activity was, that's really taking a big smelly dump all over the notion of harm reduction, isnt it? It might make for a quieter more peaceful board, but really, is it worth it?
 
Hey, anybody here want to talk about BZP?
As of last night there were only 22 BZP/TFMPP trip reports at Erowid (two of which are cross-posted from Bluelight). Most of the Erowid reports were in combination with other drugs, but the three threads featured in the header are dealing solely with piperazines. Since you can't ask the author of an Erowid trip report any questions, this might be the only chance to actually talk about what a BZP experience feels like. BZP is on the grey market and a lot of people will be trying it in the next six months. Bluelight already has dozens of threads talking about the perils of driving under the influence. Not perfect, but there's the reasoning.
 
*sigh* murple you made your points quite clear in the other thread so please just comment on the actual trip instead. thank you drive through.
-phil-
sorry catch 22 didnt want to make your job harder than it is. i liek you as a moderator. keep on keepin.
 
BZP has been on the market for YEARS... I remember it being available at least as far back as 1995. In all that time, I've never seen it boom in popularity, and I doubt it ever will. It seems that with BZP and the other piperazines there is at most a relatively constant level of interest where a few people decide to try them out of curiosity and then decide they're not worth taking. There may not be many BZP-only reports in the archives, but I've seen dozens of posts about such experiences on various forums. They all pretty much say the same thing, that its like a cheezy weak amphetamine-type stimulant that often produces a nasty hangover. Few people find it worth repeating, or even worth writing formal trip reports about. I highly doubt that we'll see any surge in use over the next 6 months, or 6 years, simply because it's not very good stuff and the few people who do try it generally do a pretty good job of making other people lose interest in it.
BZP is a dud, as are the rest of the piperazines. Spend your money on something that doesn't suck.
 
Point taken. I would just point to human nature and look at how the research chemical market has evolved so far. Eighteen months ago people were calling AMT a shitty trip and giving 5-MEO-DIPT two thumbs down. Now those two chemicals seem to merit a dozen different threads on the front page.
When the "preferred" drug disappears, people latch onto the next thing down the pecking order. There is a whole crowd of people whose experience with psychedelic drugs is based solely on research chemicals or comparing it to a "trippy roll" or some shit. They might be scrolling down the price list of their internet supplier and decide to give BZP a try.
See what I mean?
 
Originally posted by Murple:
Spend your money on something that doesn't suck.
^^isnt BZP relatively inexpensive to dirt cheap? IMO, you get what you pay for.
im one of the few that actually enjoy it. one may call it "weak", where as i (who hates feeling completely fuckered up) call it "mild". jus my .02
 
I didn't find that BZP was a "cheezy amphetamine-type stimulant" and neither did I experience a "nasty hangover". Nonetheless, I'm not really itching to try it again any time soon...but then, that's not saying much, as most drugs I'll only try a few times - if not once only - before becoming bored.

BZP is superior to Ritalin IMO (and many others), and Ritalin is most certainly a popular drug of abuse. BZP is just not as well popularized. BZP is also superior, IMO, to ephedrine, and again the same applies.
So I'm not really sure I see your point, Murple.
 
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I found bzp to be an excellent drug. It in no way compares to the other stimulants i have tried. But i did in high doses get that tweeked out feeling i have never gotten from stimulants due to my adhd. I think it is a drug in a class all by its self. with its own list of pros and cons that cant even be prepared to meth or amphetimines.
-phil-
 
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