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Butyrfentanyl - Brief report and notes

Munroe

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I have tried to keep this report as objective as possible, please think very carefully before obtaining/consuming this substance. It is very compulsive, especially when smoked. Tolerance rises quickly and will carry over to other opioids. If you have a particular affinity to opioids it is highly likely to cause you problems even if your prior use has been somewhat "responsible".



User
Male, 85kg, previous experience of various classes with a preference for opioids.
Previous use: Codeine, Dihydrocodeine, Tramadol, O-desmethyltramadol, Oxycodone, Opium and Poppy Tea.

My use is infrequent and cyclical but tolerance is higher than I'd expect given how irregularly I take opioids.

Substance
Butyrfentanyl (N-(1-(2-phenylethyl)-4-piperidinyl)-N-phenylbutyramide)

Preparation
50mg of the substance in a solution 5mg/ml with bacteriostatic water (0.9% NaCl & 0.9% Benzyl Alcohol).
A portion of this was further diluted to 1mg/ml for allergy tests and measuring tolerance.

Experiences
In the following experiences increased doses have been slightly offset by an increasing tolerance.
These doses are from the first few initial uses, tolerance increases rapidly. My preferred ROA is smoked due to the fast onset, and my dose has climbed from an initial enjoyable dose of 0.1-0.25mg to 2mg+ with redoses.

0.1mg sublingual
Mild effects felt around 10 minutes after administration, full dose felt around 20 minutes.
A low dose to start with, minor opioid warmness felt & a general sense of wellbeing.
Nothing too profound, mostly worn off within 1-2 hours. Fully back to baseline within 3 hours.

0.1mg smoked
0.1cc of 1mg/ml solution was loaded into a homemade light bulb vape.
Once water had mostly boiled off effects were felt almost instantly and stronger than the peak of sublingual use. Peak effects felt at around 5-10 minutes, gradually mellowing out for the following 1 hour. Back to baseline within 1.5-2 hours.

0.1mg insufflated
0.1cc of 1mg/ml solution was loaded into a 1cc syringe, needle was removed and solution squirted/sniffed from the syringe. Effects felt between 5-10 minutes after dose with a slightly shorter duration than sublingual. No pain felt with insufflation, though this is likely due to the very low amount of actual substance/liquid used

0.5mg smoked
Effects felt instantly and a good rush felt. Increased sedation and stronger euphoria. Pupils like pinpricks and a large perceived increase in body temperature. Very mild itchiness felt but nowhere near the extent to that of with codeine.
Duration increased with dosage and a fairly strong desire to redose.
I can see this ROA being problematic for anyone particularly fond of opioids or with low levels of self-restraint.
I would consider the differing levels of compulsiveness beween ROAs as slightly less extreme than oral vs smoked MDPV.

Increasing doses and general notes
Naturally, as doses were increased there was in increase in effects felt.
I've found itchiness doesn't increase past a certain point and at no dose is it as bad as the histamine related itchiness of codeine. Increased doses also resulted in nausea not experienced at lower doses, this sometimes lead to vomitting.

My preferred ROA is smoking due to the fast onset. I've found the compulsion to redose is reduced slightly with an initial sublingual dose for a "base" topped up with a smoked dose for the rush.

I've found smoking of butyrfentanyl can cause an odd dissociativesque effects not noticed with other ROAs. It isn't similar to classic dissociatives, more a peculiar sense of anticipation and confusion. These effects were only felt during the initial rush, lasting for about 30 minutes.
I vaguely remember reading something about butyrfentanyl being a potential kappa agonist, this may be a factor.

These effects were somewhat diminished when care was taken to heat the substance slowly, maybe suggesting the effects are due to a pyrolisis product?


Summary
Positive and negative effects are more or less typical of all opioids

Positive effects
Euphoria/General sense of well-being
Sedation

Neutral/negative effects
Nausea
Confusion (with smoked doses)
Compulsive (with smoked doses)
Constipation
Dry mouth
Slight Itchiness
Low libido
Urinary retention (though not to the same extent as I experience with opium)





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That's all I have to report right now, I haven't elaborated on effects too much as they are similar to well documented effects of fentanyl. I may expand on this report in future but I thought I'd post it now as there doesn't seem to be much information available.
 
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thanks for posting this account. there is far too little info about dose for this chemical. ive noticed in the last month that this chemical is gaining broader availability from online sources. Pretty scary having this stuff just floating about, sounds a bit weaker than fentanyl itself but close enough to the potency of fentanyl to be very dangerous if it starts to show up all over the place.

Stay safe folks. If you dont have a scale precise enough to weigh in the milligram range ACCURATELY then you dont need to be messing with something that is active at less than a milligram.
 
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Yeah scary stuff!

But thanks a lot for the analytical slightly erowid-style summary of experiences and effects. :)
 
I'll be honest I was in two minds about posting this. On one hand there's not much information about it available but on the other this could act as an "advertisment" for some.

I've added a note to the top of the report in lieu of removing it all together.

Any thoughts?
 
It's a good disclaimer I think. Honestly I have always had mixed feelings about posting reports about rare substances or substances recently available for the first time. They do act as advertisements, but I think that ultimately it's of value and a very valid thing to do, because it puts information out there.
 
im glad you added the disclaimer. Im very on the fence about fent analogues being sold by vendors. On one hand its extremely unscrupulous to sell something so viciously addictive and so easy to OD. on the other hand i support pushing the boundaries of knowledge, experience, and existence further than where they currently reside. I am the ever-curious explorer, but i have also been an opiate addict for the last few years so i know the trouble these drugs cause first-hand. Thankfully my disease is in remission and im on MMT but having temptation like this available so easily is a very dangerous thing for me personally and for anyone else who comes into contact with these fantastically potent opioids.

In addition to all the above, the shear risk of OD is so high with fent and its analogues. In the case of drugs of this potent, an incorrectly labeled product could instantly kill its user.

I remember back in the early days of the RC game a vendor in the US sold DOI as 2C-I. He didnt do it on purpose but he got an incorrectly labeled product from his supplier and passed the mistake on to the customers. Just imagine if you took 20 or 30 mg of DOI, thinking it was 2C-I. That would be one hardcore trip, probably very painful physically, emotionally, spiritually. It could also get someone killed in that situation, with Fent and its ilk death is almost certain at some point. Like he says in Fight Club, "on a long enough time scale, everyone's survival rate drops to zero"

Imagine if people start dropping and the feds find out its cause Fent analogues are all over the net. Next thing you know they will do an Operation WebTryp 2: Revenge of the Alphabet Soup Drugs.

Despite all the dangers, its better to be armed with knowledge. Its better to have info out there even if it does seem like an advert, if it saves even one life by educating someone rather than allowing ignorance to march forward.
 
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The first dose was 0.1mg but I ended up redosing soon after, I think some of the increase in dose can be attributed to me being more willing to go higher as I got a bit more accustomed to the stuff.
I used each night for 8 days, day 9 wasn't particuarly fun but what I'd identify as withdrawals (this being my first and only experience) lasted until about 4pm on day 9 leaving me feeling generally shitty until the morning of day 10.

Tolerance last time I tried it tolerance hadn't really dropped and I'm not too enthusiastic about checking again.
 
im glad you added the disclaimer. Im very on the fence about fent analogues being sold by vendors. On one hand its extremely unscrupulous to sell something so viciously addictive and so easy to OD. on the other hand i support pushing the boundaries of knowledge, experience, and existence further than where they currently reside. I am the ever-curious explorer, but i have also been an opiate addict for the last few years so i know the trouble these drugs cause first-hand. Thankfully my disease is in remission and im on MMT but having temptation like this available so easily is a very dangerous thing for me personally and for anyone else who comes into contact with these fantastically potent opioids.

First may i say congrats for getting on treatment, on the other i have some knowledge you need to know about MMT and why these analogs can be a good thing. I fully recognise their harm in the hands of out right addicts, but for someone truly recovering, and coming off MMT, this could very well save you and your career. I was on MMT as well. Stable at 160mg for 2 years. About 2 weeks ago i had to quit cold turkey at 140mg. Methadone is one of the nastiest opiods there is. Above 50mg or so it will block all other opi. Thats great for recovery. It takes 2 hours to come up and 4 hours to peak. Then it last well over 8 hours. Good for keep WD at bay. Yet, they never tell you about the half life. Its not like any other opiod/opiate. There is no top half life. This means each day you dose the half life raises higher and higher until you stop dosing. Thats why you can miss days and not get WD. This is the bad part, since it is a very long acting opi, has no top half life, and the MMT program will try to keep you on for at least a year your WD will be long as ever and worse then any other. I am on day 12, my symptoms didnt start until around day 9. Its like waiting for a nuke to go off. Still i can get up and walk around 12 days in. I had prepared with gabba and etizolam but that just barely helps. Well the gabba helps the most. When i finally get to the real WD it will last over a month at the least. Symptoms won't drop even 1% during that time. That is a month of puking, shitting, pain, lose of motor function, lose of concentration. Its taking me a bit to write this because i cant stop my hands shaking. Now to the fent analogs. They are short acting. There is hope. Wait for at least 6-9 days to get all the methadone from your system. Then use a short acting opi, like fent, to cover your receptors. Once you are on the shorter acting taper down and the WD will be a hell of a lot shorter. Maybe not less painful but ill take 2 weeks off hell any day. Even if you taper through the MMT the detox is going to be the same. You dont have to use fent analogs, you can use vics, percs, oxy, but make sure its short acting. Make sure you have the will to taper. I have started 5mg vics today and am waiting on an order of this analog. Should be here soon. The vics have help believe it or not. Methadone is very nasty, and i only suggest MMT for hardcore users like i was. Its for people using a gram a day or taking hand fulls of pills. Not for a simple pain script that you have been on. This is all coming from a person in the middle of all of it trying to get his kids back. Believe me, you should taper as soon as you know you have the will to stay off opi when the shit storm is over.
 
Im so sorry for the wall of text, its not letting me edit it. It just gives a blank field with nothing i wrote.
 
Hopefully anyone thinking of using this realizes the utmost care must be taken, extremely potent chemical. Good report.
 
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