Bupe bupe to quit codeine. good or bad idea?

[Anon54]

ok so i got a few bupe tablets. i only obtained 4 8mg tablets. im just gunna quit codeine anyway im done with it. i had my last dose the other day.

now im actually using them properly now. I got one under my tongue. its my 2nd one & i wont take any more but i honestly had no effect from just taking 1.

im not impressed by the effected at all. alot weaker than codeine. i dont know how ppl quit h using subs. ive had methadone before i can understand how that could help but this.... no
unless it take a few hrs to fully work?

by the way does anyone know the bioavailabilitys of oral bupe vs subligual bupe dosing?

 

[Anon54]

edit: now im not feeling very well. i had codeine yesturday & its been 24 hrs so i dought its participated wd from codeine cuz codeine doesnt have much of a wd anyway.
whats going on?
i thought it would help me relax a little bit but it feels similar to having an antipsychotic. Ive just got a heavy head with no euphoria.
eh... i dont know how they can call this an opiate. I should have got tramadol atleast thats a pleasant feeling even if its only weak

could this be participated w/d?
I had 400mg codeine about 30 hrs ago! YES I KNOW codeine w/d is weak but id rather not be having w/d from anything!

 

[madog11]

No one said you would get euphoria. Thats not what bupe is for. You're still trying to get high. You're not trying to give up anything. Your just switching to something thats going to send your tolerance sky high.

 

[Anon54]

thats pretty subjective when u say "out to get high" when i take codeine it just makes me feel normal so it depends on ya definition. Anyways im not feeling high & im feeling restless actually. i would have been just happy to be feeling a little bit more normal but apparently bupe takes over 3 hrs to peak so it might still be coming on a little. I just want general pain releif. even 2 panadeine forte or tylenol #3 as they're called in america would be sufficiant

well ive had 16mg today which i admit if overkill but im trying to get a feel for it to see if it could be of any use to be. I'll take 8mg tomorrow than either 8mg again the next day or 4mg & 4mg the day after that.

i had planned to quit codeine anyway & i still intend to stop taking it. it just so happens i ran into some bupe at the same time i felt i was ready to quit taking codeine. so wish me luck. i know codeine isnt to hard to quit but im very much psychologically addicted to it. so i might have a little bit of a struggle.
ive grown to enjoy the taste of cwe. & i'll miss the mild sense of well being i had after taking it. now when i get stressed or get a headache or have a hangover or something i'll have to replace this habit with another.

I hope to soon quit smoking too but i think that will be a little harder as it tends to fuck around with my thinking more than codeine which only can sometimes give me stomach discomfort & general aches & pains in my legs & back etc.

I think I can do it this time!!

 

[ms4104]

ok so i got a few bupe tablets. i only obtained 4 8mg tablets. im just gunna quit codeine anyway im done with it. i had my last dose the other day.

now im actually using them properly now. I got one under my tongue. its my 2nd one & i wont take any more but i honestly had no effect from just taking 1.

im not impressed by the effected at all. alot weaker than codeine. i dont know how ppl quit h using subs. ive had methadone before i can understand how that could help but this.... no
unless it take a few hrs to fully work?

by the way does anyone know the bioavailabilitys of oral bupe vs subligual bupe dosing?

Bupe is a partial agonist.. I dunno what you are expecting it to do. It's a maintanence drug for people who are ready to quit...or it's used in a quick detox. Other wise it tends to just bridge the gap for other people. If you have no opiate tolerance and keep your doses very low like <1mg, you can get high from it. But it's pretty much useless except for detox or bupe maint.

It could never compare to methadone H or any full agonist.. no point n trying. They are good as far as a partial agonist goes though. You are the 1st person I have seen swallow 32mg instead of sublingual.

By the way trying to quit your dose of codein with that much bupe is really counter productive. You are increasing your dependency and tolerance by using the bupe. It's WAY more powerful than codein.

 

[Pjkt2501]

Honestly, I find bupe WAY more effective / enjoyable at LOW doses, 2mg tops, typically .75-1.5mg. In fact, I'd say it can be recreation at this dose, especially combined with other stuff. Sadly weed has a lessened / blunted effect while on bupe.

 

[tkarr]

This sounds like an awful idea. Judging it's strength by whether it gives you a good buzz is not accurate. Taking 16 or 8 mg is stimulating your opiate receptors way more than 400 mg of codeine ever would so you're in effect increasing your tolerance. It's not a tapering idea at all. It's like having taken 30 mg of morphine per day long term and then saying, I'll take 120mg today, 90 tommorow, 60 the next two days, then 30, and then quit and that'll be my taper down.

There's no way to quit without withdrawal. You can ease physical symptoms but you'll still have issues like feeling bored doing things without opiates and so on.

But really taking suboxone to quit codeine is completely rediculous, no other way to describe it.

 

[OEandricearoni]

Honestly man IMO i'd say just quit the codeine cold turkey if possible. Codeine withdrawals shouldn't be too severe (though i'm sure it will suck pretty bad) and i would say after switching to bupe, quitting that may actually be harder. I find the long drawn out withdrawals from suboxone to be pretty much unbearable. Honestly, i'd rather kick a full agonist like heroin or oxycodone than bupe, because at least with them the withdrawals are pretty much gone after 5 days or so. (some lingering effects may still be present, but not much) whereas with suboxone the withdrawal is milder, but lasts too damn long, like a month+ for some people.

If you can, try to get a week off work or whatever you got going on in your life, and just sweat it out. Maybe go to the doctor, explain your situation, and if he is sympathetic he may prescribe you something to help you sleep at night or some benzos for anxiety. Just remember, there's no getting around the withdrawals. You're going to have to do it sometime if you want out of opiate addiction, which is like an endless cycle for a lot of people, myself included.

 

[FnX]

Yep you're taking way too much OP. Seriously you're in a world of trouble if you keep doing bupe like this. You even said yourself that "...[codeine] only can sometimes give me stomach discomfort & general aches & pains in my legs & back etc."

It's going to get whole lot of worse if you start toying around with subs. 16mg is a ridiculously massive dose too, but you're somewhat lucky that you took it atleast partially improperly so not much of it actually may have gotten to your system. 0,5mg is something I'd take MAX which in intensity I would compare to maybe 30mg of oxycodone or ~500mg of tramadol (opioid portion) except the bupe lasts way longer. If you're mainly having psychological cravings to get high, there's plenty of less harmful stuff like cannabis...

 

[Bruce Haze]

why do ppl snort bupe?
what's its ROA bioavailabilitys?
u'r not suppose to take them sublingually are u?
cuz i just swollowed the tablets. he didnt tell me to hold them in my mouth.
is that why i took 32mg with hardly any effect?

Aww Man, I feel you on that I got me a couple of subutex 8's last night, and swallowed half of one then realized after reading up that the best ROA is to use sublingually or snort. I didn't even feel the half but noticed 2mg within 30 mins then ended up doing 4mg more over the course of the next 4 hours and I was messsssed up nodding out and shit. But take into account I usually only rail around 40-50 mg of roxi at most at a time. I'm gettin me a bottle of codeine with prometh from my pharmacist buddy tomorrow though :D

 

[stuckinaloop]

yOU FEEL NO affect becuase you already have a tolerance to opiates and bupe is a partial agonist.. does not do jack shit for getting you high. All it shouyld do it stave off wtihdrawals and maybe act as an antidepressant.. This may take 1-2 weeks to adjust depedning.. I know for me days 1-5 blow a fat huge super fat black cock when I switch from dope to bupe no matter how long I wait waven if its 36 hours from my last shot.

 

[Anon54]

well im trying but i cant fucking quit codeine. geez. i can get valium but its not available atm. i feel alot more pain free when i dont smoke i'll try quitting that first otherwise i might take bupe for just a few days maybe 4mg for 2 days than 2mg for the next 2 days.

any other suggestions? i know, i know its ONLY CODEINE but i get pains in my legs & feel restless & sick, general aches & pains etc.
& yeah i know about w/d from stronger opiates which ive trieds but they arnt as readily available as codeine

 

[Buiscuitvader]

With bupe most everyone says less is more. However what i did for maintenance coming off Dihydrocodiene, was once the withdrawals started to kick in take one in the morning (much lower than my recreational dose) just to ease the symptoms. Coming off opiates is never going to be pain free. Be prepared if you go the bupe way, how are you going to come off that once your off the codeine?

Perfect question, after doing a little over a g/day of some of your average dark tan dope (looks almost like gravy in the rig), you think suboxone is cake. But there is a lot of mental withdrawl and i just felt like a rock all day (not lazy, i wanted to move, but my body was so stiff, it felt like my bones and muscles were completely destroyed... hardly any nausea though! and no cold sweats!)

 

[Anon54]

well i got 400mg of codeine in the freezer. lasted 2 days. its weak but it does have a w/d.
now with the subs. id only take em for 4-6 days max. i couldnt get addicted to em like that.

otherwise i think the best option for me is to wait till i get more valium

 

[e_rep]

I haven't read this entire thread, but I will say that I have detoxed tens of times using bup to stop a heroin run, and I'm on it full time. In rehab though, they give you bup for detox for 3 days, then you're on your own. When I did that, I was worried about how I would feel after the bup wore off, but I really didn't feel worse at all, I just had trouble sleeping and all that. I would say yes, use the bup, but do not use it for more then 3 days, and use a very low dose, like 2 milligrams every 12 hours.