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Bupe bupe to quit codeine. good or bad idea?

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Anon54

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Im a regular user of codeine which i usually take 400mg. I know some would say it's piss easy to quit but for some reason im still using it after a year after failing to stop taking it after a few attempts.

anyways, I have a friend who has heaps of 8mg bupe tablets who said he would repay me what he owes me for buying us both oxy. So yeah he said i can have as many as i want

It was my first time using bupe last night & it didnt seem very euphoric but it certainly took away the mild w/d i got from codeine & helped me get to sleep. I took a very high dose of 32mg. I started at 4mg which was half a pill but couldnt stop taking them. I was actually trying to get a high out of them which i dont think that's what they're designed for.

anyways according to this opiate conversion table:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opioid_comparison
1/2mg is equal to 400mg of codeine. now wtf is that. that cant be fucking right.
I took 32mg & it actually a little weaker than the short lived peak of codeine but much longer acting.

anyways u think it would be a bad idea for me to get like 20 pills off him or something & take 8mg when i feel like getting some codeine & than slowly try to lower the bupe dose?

Or is it like taking something very bad to get off something a little bad.
btw I already tried getting a high out of them & ive heard they have a dose curve where the higher the dose u take the less it effects u if u know what i mean so i wouldnt try to get a high out of them. Id only take at most 16mg because when i doubled that dose it didnt feel much stronger

Another point Id like to make is that the bupe seemed to have less side effects than codeine & may be a healthier alternative if taken in the right dose ofcourse
 
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400mg of it is a high dosage though, you can't just stop taking opiates all that easily man. A lot of us have tried, even if it's low dose HEROIN. Even at a LOW DOSE, it's still HEROIN. Get it? Not all opiate users who can't quit are like high dose high potency opiate users.

Suboxone is a bit overkill for codeine though. I'd suggest that they seek out alternatives to ORT, such as kratom, tramadol, whatever does it for you really.
 
32 mgs of Suboxone is way too much for even that much of a codeine habit. I mean, I know hardened H addicts that would even take half as much Bupe on the first day of their Sub detox...
 
i against i said:
no, just fucking stop using codeine and stop being its bitch, its fucking codeine.
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:( well thanks for the sympathy but i still have problems stopping it.
it's like coffee the w/d are very mild but its hard to stop drinking it
 
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Captain.Heroin said:
400mg of it is a high dosage though, you can't just stop taking opiates all that easily man. A lot of us have tried, even if it's low dose HEROIN. Even at a LOW DOSE, it's still HEROIN. Get it? Not all opiate users who can't quit are like high dose high potency opiate users.

Suboxone is a bit overkill for codeine though. I'd suggest that they seek out alternatives to ORT, such as kratom, tramadol, whatever does it for you really.
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thanks for understanding. It's weak but when u use it regularly it can still be a problem. I find valium to be extremely weak yet the w/d can kill u but that's like comparing applies to oranges. Yeah i really liked Tramadol but i found it had worse w/d than codeine. I took tramadol for 4.5 months at an average of 150mg a day
I find codeine to be comparable to about 30mg of oxy. it still definitely has a calming effect
cant get kratom here & valium doesnt help me. it just makes me wanna take opiates more cuz of its potentiation.
 
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axl blaze said:
32 mgs of Suboxone is way too much for even that much of a codeine habit. I mean, I know hardened H addicts that would even take half as much Bupe on the first day of their Sub detox...
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rinking it

i can understand why h addicts cant quit using with bupe because i didnt find bupe to be all that strong. seriously 16mg only slightly effected me
 
Anon54 said:
thanks for understanding. It's weak but when u use it regularly it can still be a problem. I find valium to be extremely weak yet the w/d can kill u but that's like comparing applies to oranges
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You're right.

If I was in your shoes, you can totally use buprenorphine. However, the dosages suboxone maintenance doctors are going to prescribe, are entirely too high.

I'd start with like 0.1 mg, and taper down to 0.01mg, and quit there. If the withdrawals from that are worse than codeine, you know it was a mistake to climb up any higher on the opiate ladder. ;)
 
^^thanks for the advise but 0.1mg?
like I said i had 32mg last night & it wasnt anything special. but yeah i suppose getting high isnt what its suppose to do.
so id only need like 1 tablet to last me 2 weeks than lol

I got a feeling getting a whole heap of 8mg pills would be a bad idea going on the dose u mentioned. a real bad idea. i know id be taking atleast 8mg a day

what will be my next bright idea. buy 10 grams of meth to help me cut down on how much tea I drink? lol

sorry about the double post axl blaze. its this fire fox browser i have. i clicked back a few times & it doesnt reload each page I than i clicked save. i dunno how it happened
 
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I know it's a bit off topic but does anyone find bupe to be recreational?
It didnt seem to be of much recreation last night when I took 32mg

I occationaly take 80mg of oxy & I like it.
sorry if i cant ask this question i know BL isnt here to help ppl get high for HR purposes. Im just curious

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupe#Antidepressant_potential

according to wikipedia it may atleast have some use in treating depression

oh sorry i didnt read the whole wikipedia page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupe#Recreational_use

Buprenorphine abuse is very common in Scandinavia, especially in Finland and Sweden. In 2007, the authorities in Uppsala county in Sweden confiscated more buprenorphine than cocaine, ecstasy, and GHB.[51] In Finland recreational use of buprenorphine is on the rise; in 2005, Finland's incidence of Subutex abuse (most often injected intravenously) surpassed the incidence of recreational usage of amphetamines.
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very interesting

Buprenorphine is also used recreationally, typically by opioid users, often by insufflation. Recreational users of Suboxone who crush the tablet and snort it report a euphoric rush similar to other opioids in addition to a slight "upper"-like effect. Those already using buprenorphine/Suboxone for opioid addiction therapy find that insufflation is only slightly, if any stronger than taking the pill sublingually, although it may have a quicker onset. Those taking it for addiction therapy also report that obtaining euphoria is virtually impossible after the first few doses. Many recreational users also report withdrawal symptoms. Due to the high potency of tablet forms of buprenorphine, only a small amount of the drug need be ingested to achieve the desired effects.
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why do ppl snort bupe?
what's its ROA bioavailabilitys?
u'r not suppose to take them sublingually are u?
cuz i just swollowed the tablets. he didnt tell me to hold them in my mouth.
is that why i took 32mg with hardly any effect?
 
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I just read that only like 16% gets absorbed orally & 40-50% gets absorbed sublingually.
I'll keep reading sources but is this correct. I was just given the tablets.
Are they designed to be taken sublingually or orally?
the ones i got i think were called Subutex

EDIT: Oh ffs thats why i started at 4mg & ended up taking 32mg cuz i didnt hold em under my tounge!!!
 
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With bupe most everyone says less is more. However what i did for maintenance coming off Dihydrocodiene, was once the withdrawals started to kick in take one in the morning (much lower than my recreational dose) just to ease the symptoms. Coming off opiates is never going to be pain free. Be prepared if you go the bupe way, how are you going to come off that once your off the codeine?
 
hhmmm its strange that 32 mgs of bupe didnt effect you! you were doing 400mg of codiene per day?? i also think bupe tops off around 32 mgs?? i could be wrong but dont try to take more..icky. i was on around 200-300 mgs of oxy a day and one 8mg sub was FINE..just remember you dont want to think about getting that same "high" of bupe..you want to simply prevent withdrawl, get on a maintenance does and eventually taper..
 
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^^thanks for the advise but 0.1mg?
like I said i had 32mg last night & it wasnt anything special. but yeah i suppose getting high isnt what its suppose to do.
so id only need like 1 tablet to last me 2 weeks than lol

I got a feeling getting a whole heap of 8mg pills would be a bad idea going on the dose u mentioned. a real bad idea. i know id be taking atleast 8mg a day

what will be my next bright idea. buy 10 grams of meth to help me cut down on how much tea I drink? lol

sorry about the double post axl blaze. its this fire fox browser i have. i clicked back a few times & it doesnt reload each page I than i clicked save. i dunno how it happened
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32mg of Suboxone would last me god knows how long. A fucking long time.

Buprenorphine doesn't make you as high as full agonist opiates, so abusing it doesn't work. It has a ceiling effect.

Oh but yeah, you NEED to hold them UNDER your tongue, not just eat them. :)
 
It's interesting how different people from different cultures have entirely different... habits. Here in finland, buprenorphine is our number 1 opioid of abuse. It's really despicable how dealers exploit sub addicts making outrageous profits. Anyway, because bupe is the drug of abuse that the addicts have to quit, they substitute it with benzos and codeine/tramadol because those are, for some reason viewed as lesser evils. Then here on bluelight people are quitting codeine/tramadol by substituting it with bupe.

There's even a documentary film made few years ago which closely follows a finnish bupe addicts life. If anyone's interested, look for a movie called Reindeerspotting
 
Quiting codeine with bupe would be like amputating your hand when you get a small cut.

Just taper down your codeine use, seriously OP. If you start using bupe, your just gonna wildly increase your tolerance, and your gonna end up addicted to bupe and before you know it, codeine won't touch you. Then your gonna start using other much stronger opiates.
 
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Quiting codeine with bupe would be like amputating your hand when you get a small cut.

Just taper down your codeine use, seriously OP. If you start using bupe, your just gonna wildly increase your tolerance, and your gonna end up addicted to bupe and before you know it, codeine won't touch you. Then your gonna start using other much stronger opiates.
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^+1 perfectly said
 
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