Bupe Bupe Tapering from 2mg

[9ixakix9]

PLEASE HELP.. PLEASE.. PLEASE..PLEASE..

Me - She has been addicted to heroin since she was 15, then went to rehab a few times and now she has only been using hard for 4-5 years. She is only 23. She was clean for a while in between but got back off the wagon in about June of 2010. She has been trying to get clean since then, bouncing back and fourth from Dope to Subs Dope to Subs etc at one week intervals. Finally after using dope for 2 months during November and December she found her old scripts for subs from the past year. She is not seeing a sub Dr. currently but had about 1month worth. Here is the current situation..

Since Jan 1st she has been taking subs, but b.c. does not want to be on the long term she was been keeping her intake low from the get go. She started with 4mg per day and has slowly gotten down to 1/3 of an 8mg pill per day. Today, the 29th of Jan she took 2mg sub.

She wants: to wean off as quickly as possible but with as little pain as possible because her fear of WD's has always triggered her to relapse because she honestly has no tolerance of WD pain. - We are hoping that this will not be difficult since she has kept her doses remotely low, we think?

The Questions:
1. Is she addicted to the sub now? After only one month of less than 4mg a day? And how bad the WD experience will be, because SHE ONLY HAS ABOUT THREE OR FOUR OF THE 8MG STRIPS LEFT, but can get more if absolutely necessary.

2. And what is the best taper schedule to get from 2mg a day to 0mg a day without any dramatic decreases. Ex. How many mgs she should drop down by with each drop in mg and how long she should stay on that decreased mg amount until she drops down to another mg.


This is her first real success of being clean of H for longer than 21 days in years, and she really wants this to work so she is trying to go about this the most intelligent, painless, and efficient way possible. Any help, advice, or experiences would be SOO SOO GREATLY APPRECIATED.. Please e-mail this account or respond ASAP because time is of the essence for her.

Here is the schedule she had originally planned out.. and is current up to today..
View attachment subsiewubsie.docx.zip

DONT WANT TO GET DISCOURAGED FROM ANTICIPATING AWFUL WD'S LIKE WE HAVE READ ABOUT FROM BUPE. SO THE LEAST PAIN IS THE HIGHEST CHANCE OF SUCCESS FOR ME.

Thank you, thank you, thank you..

 

[junkie skumbag]

wow thats a low dose my mate is on 20mg a day....i would say if shes only taking 4mg a day WD would be minable but there still will be WD's...as for the 2nd quisten i would recomend droping .5mg each 2-3 days.....

But rember dont take more word for it i could be totally wrong im not doctor

 

[axe battler]

Yeah, your cousin will be hooked on sub and the withdrawals might be bad. but not the worst possible by a long shot.

2mg of sub is quite a high dose and you could lower it easily! You also have plenty of pills to help you.

She should wait until she's in total withdrawal by abstaining from sub until she's quite ill, then crush up a whole tablet and split it into 16 piles (at 0.5mg each).

When you cant hold out anymore then take a 0.5mg dose, preferably snorted, then wait an hour. If you are still in withdrawal then go for another 0.5 and repeat until you are feeling alright...,This is your new dose -- just enough to hold you!

Now you have established a dose for yourself (eg. 1mg) you can do that every day for a week, then .75 a week, then .5mg for a week -- even 2 -- then once you have been on 0.2mg or less for a while then you can start skipping days without any real negative effects. You're free from here!!
It's all about allowing your body to readjust to the new dose before moving onto the lower one. Also (I apologise if you aren't doing so) but never escalate your dose even if you still feel a "little sick" on some days: this is the price you MUST PAY for having such a good time on opiates. And dont try to get high ooff the sub on some days or you're pretty much back to square 1.

This is very do-oable and I have been at work on a lot of these detoxes. You can do it love!

As for the benzo's, I'm assuming you have an unlimited supply so go sssssslllooooooooooooowwww as you like, baby.

I would recommend getting off the opiates first so it's not too much to deal with; plus the benzos will help with the bupe withdrawals.

Read the Ashton's Manual HERE: http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/]

Good luck sistaaaaa; I;ve been there, done that and being off is suuuch a much happier existence.

One trigger that I had to kill "was thinking oh god I love drugs, they give me so much, I need them for fucking everything", but then I thought "fuck! I am really unhappy at the moment, so why not try some new way out, like being sober once in a while? Doing drugs all the time is nice, but sobriety makes a very nice change."

And it's working. Although I still do enjoy the occasional session

 

[9ixakix9]

I can't snort the bupe because I have the strips.. is there another way to take the strips??

I also lowered it to 1mg a day today so I am hoping this will be easy...

Sorry about the "my cousin" thing.. I forgot which forum I was on.. and there is another site that wants you to use SWIM - someone who isnt me.. or some other non-self-incriminating term. lol. Its definitely me.

Thank you for the responses.. any advice helps.

 

[craigyt2k]

go to 1.5mg sub then 1mg then 0.5mg... also look into getting some kratom maybe, im not too experienced with withdrawing from subs, just a thought, kratom seems to do wonders for withdrawing from opiates.. someone more experienced will set this straight no doubt

 

[skylines7]

I would research Kratom and make an informed decision if you want to use it or not. It is essentially another opiate, although it did not work for me at all.

I think something just as important as your taper schedule would be your state of mind. I would start eating healthy now, taking multivitamins and exercising.

I started using in High School as well, and have been on and off the sub train and the dope train. It's def. a roller coaster ride and I wish you well. I hope you are permanently successful in staying clean! From what I hear it is worth it

 

[suessmayr]

Don't do anything except take the pills as you're supposed to. Balance 1) making as-small-as-at-all-possible-reductions against 2) not running out of pills until you're right down the bottom. My personal opinion is that you will feel some discomfort but that you can probably just have a beer and go to sleep. I also think that if you stock up on benzos/barbs/pills you will fail, or only succeed in a strictly limited sense. Good luck

 

[9ixakix9]

More questions... kratom/tramadol/hydrocodone to ease wd?

Yeah, your cousin will be hooked on sub and the withdrawals might be bad. but not the worst possible by a long shot.

2mg of sub is quite a high dose and you could lower it easily! You also have plenty of pills to help you.

She should wait until she's in total withdrawal by abstaining from sub until she's quite ill, then crush up a whole tablet and split it into 16 piles (at 0.5mg each).

When you cant hold out anymore then take a 0.5mg dose, preferably snorted, then wait an hour. If you are still in withdrawal then go for another 0.5 and repeat until you are feeling alright...,This is your new dose -- just enough to hold you!

Now you have established a dose for yourself (eg. 1mg) you can do that every day for a week, then .75 a week, then .5mg for a week -- even 2 -- then once you have been on 0.2mg or less for a while then you can start skipping days without any real negative effects. You're free from here!!
It's all about allowing your body to readjust to the new dose before moving onto the lower one. Also (I apologise if you aren't doing so) but never escalate your dose even if you still feel a "little sick" on some days: this is the price you MUST PAY for having such a good time on opiates. And dont try to get high ooff the sub on some days or you're pretty much back to square 1.

This is very do-oable and I have been at work on a lot of these detoxes. You can do it love!

As for the benzo's, I'm assuming you have an unlimited supply so go sssssslllooooooooooooowwww as you like, baby.

I would recommend getting off the opiates first so it's not too much to deal with; plus the benzos will help with the bupe withdrawals.

Read the Ashton's Manual HERE: http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/]

Good luck sistaaaaa; I;ve been there, done that and being off is suuuch a much happier existence.

One trigger that I had to kill "was thinking oh god I love drugs, they give me so much, I need them for fucking everything", but then I thought "fuck! I am really unhappy at the moment, so why not try some new way out, like being sober once in a while? Doing drugs all the time is nice, but sobriety makes a very nice change."

And it's working. Although I still do enjoy the occasional session

THis is my new plan... thank you so much. This is the best response I have gotten and I feel good about it. Do you suggest anything with the kratom or w.e it is? Also, I have some hydrocodones.. i have heard that takine one a day once I am down to 0mg bupe will help ease wds... and I also have a few tramadol... what should I do with all of these? Can they help? Does kratom work for bupe wd? And what kind of dose do I need for thse? I only have 3 benzos, (2mg kpins.) so I am just taking a half each night right now.. mainly for anxiety bc I am so scared of these withdrawls... Its almost at the point where I feel I would be better off just going back to H rather than live in fear each day that this will be the day I feel WDs... I go to school.. pre law... and can't miss school... I was able to manage my habit and my grades at once.. but for some reason I cann't manage school and detoxing at once... I feel really lost... If you or anyone has any adivce about

Tramadol
Kratom
Hydrocodone

or anything else that will help me with the taper you wrote out for me.. please let me know..

Also.. I said earlier but idk if it was read... I have strips to cant crush them to piles.. should I just cut them??


THank you guys so much... this forum is the only thing giving me hope.

 

[esoqq]

well i read this whole thing and its pretty remarkable i'm almost in the exact same situation as you. don't have quite the same length of habit but have been doing the same H/methadone/subs routine for awhile. Atm i'm down to 3 mg suboxone and trying to get off completely. I think i'll be ok on 2 but i'm worried once i get to one. My schedule is to build in a couple of days where I'm allowing myself to go back to 2 if 1 was just too harsh. So like tomorrow is my last day on 3, then Tuesday i'll go down to 2 and stay on that for 4 days. Then Saturday should be my first day on 1 and i'll try and get thru it but if its real bad then i'll take 2 on Sunday and then try and take 1 again on Monday. I think the every other day thing might help your body and mind get acclimated to the lower dose.

I don't think the withdrawls are terrible off of suboxone...I went off mine in early January and made it like 6 days the only bad part was the insomnia but then the mental and emotional shit got to me and i relapsed on heroin. This time im gonna try and taper instead of abruptly stopping the subs.

 

[axe battler]

Yeah, just cut up the strips.

Good luck!

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

I can't snort the bupe because I have the strips.. is there another way to take the strips??

If you are looking to snort the strips, all you need to do is put the desired size piece of strip in a spoon add a little water to cover it and let it sit 5 minutes or so, cut a piece of a straw for snorting and mix up the water/bupe mix once you see the strip starting to dispense throughout the water and that snort it up. it kinda like waterlining.
Good luck! %)