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Bromo-Dragonfly - First few times - Trials

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Bromo-Dragonfly Trials

I recently acquired 3 ampoules filled with 2ml of 40% ethanol solution and 1mg of Bromo-Dragonfly via mail. I consider myself an experienced user and abuser of psychedelics. I had tried 5-MeO-DMT, DPT HCl, DPT Freebase, LSD, psilocin mushrooms, mescaline cacti and Salvinorin A (as well as salvia divinorum), 2C-I and 2C-B prior to the experiments. I have also had my focus on psychedelic drugs although I have ingested a lot of other substances as well in my 6 years of drug use and abuse. These include a number of uppers and downers, several dissociatives, empathogens, inhalants, alcohol and a whole lot of cannabis.

I began my trials with a very low dose of 10µg orally. I did not expect anything to happen, but wanted to check for allergic reactions.

The next day I ingested 25µg which had no effect either. What I then did cannot be considered very smart…

The following trials were certainly not spaced far enough apart which might have resulted in a tolerance.
Within the next week, I upped the dose to 50µg which seemed to induce a mood lift, increased sociability, yawning, a tingling body feeling and the perception of colors being brighter than usual, but was later disregarded as a placebo effect when the next trial of 100µg on the following day did not succeed to produce these same feeling again. I therefore upped the dose with another 120µg at T+06:00 which seemed to result in no effects either. At T+09:00 I smoked 20mg of DPT Freebase which resulted in effects that were appropriate for such a dose, judging by my experience with DPT. Continuing to smoke DPT Freebase in the course of the evening a pleasant trip evolved which might have had a phenethylamine twist to it. I was able to fall asleep at around T+13:00 and now think it is rather unlikely that the BDFL had any noticeable effect on me that day.

1 day after this 220µg trial I administered 50µg rectally dissolved in 1ml of 4% ethanol solution which did not produce any change in mood or perception.

I then waited 7 days until my next trial. On the 7th day I got up at 8:00am, ingested 400µg of the substance and went back to sleep which took me about 30 minutes. I then had about an hour of sleep which was accompanied by very vivid dreams. The dreams were interconnected and memory was excellent. One of them happened to be the longest lucid dream I have ever experienced since I usually awake when gaining lucidity. This time I did not even have to use a technique to stay asleep, I kept dreaming and stayed lucid. I woke up at 9:30am and wrote down 5 DIN A4 pages summarizing the dreams.

At this point I did notice some effects, but it seemed clear that the experience was not going to satisfy my expectations so I ingested another 250µg.

The trip slowly started building up and reached it’s first peak at T+05:00 as expected. Dosis wise this was comparable to about 10mg of 2C-B. Quiet smooth. Symptoms included stickiness of the saliva, increased muscle tension (especially in the jaw), acidic feeling throughout the gastrointestinal and urinary tract, yawning, increased appreciation of taste (especially fruit which was the only thing that was eaten until T+15:00) and music , perception of brighter colors, sharper edges which shifted around slightly, especially when focused. Things seemed alive, like they were going to jump at me any second. Neither were there any complex visuals present like patterning, fractal visions or COV’s nor was there a lot of movement involved.

These effects kept increasing until T+07:30 which I consider the second peak. Even at this very peak was I still socially and mentally fully functional. I was able to post on a forum, ride my bike, make sense of time, chat in the IRC, make and receive phone calls, ride my bike, seal packages with electric devices the proper way and even speak coherently with my friend’s mum when I was faced with this situation unexpectedly while visiting said friend at T+11:00. I did not feel comfortable with walking into the supermarket in order to buy whippets (N2O containers). That’s why I sent a friend to do it for me. 15 whippets were consumed between T+11:00 and T+13:00 along with 50mg of cocaine HCl (sublingually) which resulted in a headache and difficulty keeping my balance which faded within an hour. The N2O did not effect the trip significantly which was a little disappointing for me.

The negative effects included the mentioned acidic feeling of the whole urinary and gastrointestinal tract starting in the throat and an increased sensibility for pain. I suffer of chronic back pain and chronic pain of the tendon sheaths of my hands which was severely increased to the point that I had to ingest 200mg of Kratom alkaloids at T+17:00 to get rid of the pain. I have never before used pain medication as a treatment to give you an idea of how bad the pain was perceived. I was able to get rid of the pain almost completely. To my surprise the acidic feeling disappeared as well and the Kratom diminished most of the trip. I was very mellow and tired from that point on.

By T+21:00 I was asleep which lasted until T+30:00. At that point I had no more visuals at all and there was no detectable afterglow either.

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Recommendations

Since it is still not certain whether I had built up a significant tolerance or not, I would probably start off low with this one, at 500ug.
Judging by this report only I would say a full blown trip would equal about 1000ug, but then again it might be way too much if there really was a tolerance. So I recommend to start at 500ug after checking that no extraordinary sensitivity to this substance exists in the test subject with a low dose like 50ug.

crOOk
 
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So this was quite a complex trip with lots of twists & turns.

Just to recap, do you think 1000ug is a good benchmark oral dosage unit.

I am sort of semi-suprised that the oral bioavailability of this chem is actually quite poor. In school I was taught that anything that is fully aromatic is expected to be of high stability.

What is the oral dose of the hydrogenated analog?
I think this is called bromo-fly with the 'dragon' omitted.

I wonder how many people will intentionally buy BrDF that are prepared to dose intravenously.
 
Re: Bromo-Dragonfly Trials

crOOk said:
I began my trials with a very low dose of 10µg orally. I did not expect anything to happen, but wanted to check for allergic reactions.

Have you encountered allergic reactions to any other psychedelic so far?
 
@nanobrain & anjovis
Thanks, glad to see you appreciate my "work" unless some other members from the psychedelics forum...

@Smyth
I wouldn't call it complex at all. The trip intensity increased steadily until T2+5:00 (T1+7:30) and faded quickly after the ingestion of the Kratom. The negative effects (pain, see above) built up steadily as well, getting worse by the hour until the Kratom was ingested. Not too many twists and turns at all.
The only twists were that I changed locations a couple of times which is almost unavoidable with 20 hour trips... :)

@Mean Girl
Nope, no allergic reactions were ever encountered, neither with psychedelics, nor with any (!) other substances. Still, you never know... (See wise guys' comments in the psychedelics forum)
Btw, why were you asking? Don't you consider this is a necessary precaution to take?

crOOk
 
that was a YOU specific question, i religiously start out with low doses, and necessary precaution is a no brainer. i was wondering if you had encountered a reaction before, and if it was with a select substance.
 
No offense but are you quite certain you tripped? You report some somatic effects and some mild mental activities like colors brightening, which don't sound particularly strong... colors got brighter &c. That sounds like it could be placebo. Also you had been doing a good deal of other drugs use, ie. the DPT, cocaine and N2O. Given that other reports show it is inactive by oral use, are you quite sure what you experienced was caused by drugs, and that the drug causing it was the Br-dragonfly? From your report, it doesn't seem absolutely convincing that you tripped off this chemical. I think I will need to withhold belief pending further datapoints. Perhaps you should also withhold theories about dose and effects untl you can repeat the experience with no other drugs in your system and with no chance of tolerance. Wait a week or two. Don't take any other psychedelics. Then take a dose of BDF all at once, then see what happens.
 
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^crOOk's got enough datapoints that when he says he tripped, it means he tripped. btw, i didn't notice that he actually said he tripped.

don Pedro, i think you should withold your dosing strategies for yourself, until you have a personal datappoint on the matter.

Smyth, mate, get with the program.
 
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crook, just wanted to say thanks for a most interesting report and also one which I actually gained some insight from.

I havent really dabbled in psychedelics at all however I probably get my greatest enjoyment out of MDMA and MDA in fairly heavy doses to the point where I am seeing some crazy stuff............... my interest is particularly in trying to work out on a purely amateur basis exactly what is happenning inside my head.

Great report man.
 
GThanks for the report!

I was wondering why is there only Bromo dragonfly around and not the 2C-B-FLY? is not there a rumor that Dr. shlugin's wife liked the 2C-B-FLY?

From all im reading here and @ the other foums; bromo dragonfly isant really active.

Here's a statment that someone on another forum says.

"Personally, I think that DOB-DF in particular will remain in relative obscurity due to the confusion about dosage levels and active routes of administration, and the less-than-pleasant reports coming back from the "streets" thus far. This may be for the best, and might possibly limit the impact and unwanted attention directed toward related (yet likely much more palatable) compounds, such as 2C-B-Fly, as they begin to appear. It is simply mind-blowing to think of all the potential compounds in the series (all of the known 2C-x and DOx compounds as both their Fly and DragonFly homologues)!! Can you imagine what 2C-T-7-Fly would be like?!?!? What about 2C-E-Fly or 2C-TFM-DragonFly??"

confused!
 
This is the thread you're referring to??

These compounds are good ligands to explore the neurology of the human mind, but it is my opinion that they do not have what it takes to gain recreational acceptance.

Im particularly intersted in the actual journal article although since I dont have a bastard printer it makes my eyes water reading it off my computer screen.

Notice that DOTFM is only slightly stronger than DOB despite the fact that it is somewhat mor difficult to manufacture. That is an interesting result.
 
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^ You've already been warned before about posting links to drugs-forum, it's not allowed, get it through your head Ronald.
 
don Pedro said:
No offense but are you quite certain you tripped? You report some somatic effects and some mild mental activities like colors brightening, which don't sound particularly strong... colors got brighter &c. That sounds like it could be placebo. Also you had been doing a good deal of other drugs use, ie. the DPT, cocaine and N2O. Given that other reports show it is inactive by oral use, are you quite sure what you experienced was caused by drugs, and that the drug causing it was the Br-dragonfly? From your report, it doesn't seem absolutely convincing that you tripped off this chemical. I think I will need to withhold belief pending further datapoints. Perhaps you should also withhold theories about dose and effects untl you can repeat the experience with no other drugs in your system and with no chance of tolerance. Wait a week or two. Don't take any other psychedelics. Then take a dose of BDF all at once, then see what happens.
No offense, but try to read the report again, dude. I sure was not on DPT when I ingested the Bromo-Dragonfly and I sure did trip! Absolutely sure. It wasn't a particularly strong trip... Not only were colors perceived brighter, but edges kept shifting etc. I have tripped over 100 times and I am pretty sure I can tell whether this substance is active at 500ug or not. I have a report of another person who ingested 400ug from the same source and has gotten moderate effects as well off such a dose.
Still, you can either use my data or use none at all, it's your decision.

@MazDan
He, glad you liked it.


crOOk
 
nanobrain said:
^crOOk's got enough datapoints that when he says he tripped, it means he tripped. btw, i didn't notice that he actually said he tripped.
I agree :)

Oh, and thanks for clearing that other thing up, I figured out what a no brainer is now. She should have just said "axiomatic". :)

crOOk
 
when he says he tripped, it means he tripped

So people who say they've tripped by smoking peanut shells and banana peels have tripped too, just because they say they tripped?

cr00k's earlier posts haven't much convinced me he's someone who's opinions I'm going to take without a grain of salt, especially since he took a bunch of other drugs during this experiment. There's reports from people I find more credible who've reported little or no effects at doses higher than cr00k used. I'm not calling him a liar, but I'm going to wait for more reports from other people before I put much stock in this one.
 
Can you read? He didn't actually consume other chemicals untill 11 hours into the trip (that's what T+11:00 means...) Thanks crOOk for the interesting report.
 
don Pedro said:
So people who say they've tripped by smoking peanut shells and banana peels have tripped too, just because they say they tripped?

cr00k's earlier posts haven't much convinced me he's someone who's opinions I'm going to take without a grain of salt, especially since he took a bunch of other drugs during this experiment. There's reports from people I find more credible who've reported little or no effects at doses higher than cr00k used. I'm not calling him a liar, but I'm going to wait for more reports from other people before I put much stock in this one.
Whatever man. :)

crOOk
 
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