Brewing Kompot

[AlphaOdure]

I don't think there's enough Codeine and Thebaine in Opium/Poppy Pod preparations/etc... to cause a major health problem.

This is assuming the individual's tolerance is low. I think most opioid dependent people may shoot several times the amount you suggested as "safe" in the course of a day, given the approximate numbers you given are relatively accurate. And as little as 90 mg codeine via IV MOA has been shown to cause pulmonary edema in some cases. Not to mention the leftover thebaine in the preparation to complicate things...

Nonetheless, i suppose this is all semantics. I'm not implying that shooting plant matter is safe.. but in my opinion the average layperson would be more inept to filter his dope properly (micron filters, multiple filterations by conventional means, etc) than to somehow extract the codeine and thebaine.

I'd be most worried about shooting contaminated product w/ any sort of left over, independent proteins in the mixture actually.

 

[smokester]

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Hmm, most the sources i've seen on the original forms of Kompot in the 1950s/Post WWII era suggest otherwise--as access to any sort of chemicals (other than the most basic of necessities- i.e. baking soda, acidic preparations) and/or lab equipment was rare. Remember, this is during the time of the Berlin airlift where large-scale communities were left w/o adequate living supplies and/or food by the Russians. However, this doesn't leave out the possibility that there was a degree of evolution in the synthesis process through out the following decades.

Supposedly, the recipe was refined in 1976 by some Polish chemist students. However, the specifics on their contributations to the evolution of kompot manufacture is vague at best.

source: Polish drug policies: between "hard" and "soft" prohibition, K. Krajewski, Journal of Drug Issues, Summer 2004

"Kompot" is a generic term for the acetylated stuff the students first produced utilizing the less conspicuous but ubiquitous pods and stems that farmers used for animal feed in those days (with some leftover scooped seeds, a traditional rural pastime, being prepared into into delicious poppy rolls/pastries/babkas/etc. by the wives), and the easily available acetic anhydride at their disposal thanks to organic chem 101 aspirin. Before the advent of "kompot" there was no "everyday home recipe" for injectable stuff, only PPT.

 

[AlphaOdure]

"Kompot" is a generic term for the acetylated stuff the students first produced utilizing the less conspicuous but ubiquitous pods and stems

Well we agree to disagree then. It seems you have sources validating your stance, and i have sources validating mine. It seems the term "Polish Heroin" and "Kampot" (orginally taken from campote, the food recipe) where interchangable through out history and the exact time of coinage is up for debate.

I think we can agree then that injectable opium extractions in 1950s Poland were basically a crude extraction containing little to no acetylated product due to shortage in any sort of basic living necessities (including food, chemicals, and decent lab equipment and/or dishware).

Whether it was called Kampot or something different at the time is really irrelevant.. even if the term Kampot wasn't applied to opium extractions till the 1970s as you claim; i think its safe to say that crude opium extractions had a major influence on future-refined synthesis techniques and played a major role in Kampot's evolution as an abusable drug.

 

[sonic]

This thread is really bordering on synthesis (conversion) related discussion. BL isn't a chemistry board. BL doesn't want the responsibility of covering anything chemistry related unless it's about drug purification because we are a harm reduction board. This thread is sort of about purification so I will leave this open for now.

NO ONE should attempt to IV anything they extracted from poppy pod tea. It's one thing if you're a professional chemist who can extract the morphine from the pods and then convert the morphine to pure diacetylmorphine, but that's not easy to do. You can't just brew up some pod tea, do 1 simple chemical reaction on it and assume it's safe to IV. It's just not the case. As jasoncrest said, the danger is that you'll be IVing too much plant matter. Don't do it.

 

[rachamim]

Phrozen: Although Kompot is the Polish version of Chenya,etc. it is prepared the same way so you know it is acetlated. It is said to have been invesnted by a chem student in Gdansk in 1975. They net the GAA the same way Braun, Chenaya,Chornie,etc. They usually used bulk aspirin powder and reverse engineered the salicyclic acid or simply synth the AA or chlroide.

They would take all parts of the plant, seep it in very hot water for hours (kind of stupid but that was their thing), drain it, repeat a couple of times, and then acetlyse it as is.

It was small portions at a time and sold already loaded in syringes, mostly dirty, or less often allow people to dip their own syringes into a common pot and allow them to draw up depending on payment. Of course this was highly unsanitary as well.

Conversion of poppy or latex to morphine and then heroin is very easy, but you are absolutely correct in both the synth discussions AND talk of injection of any crude perperations is highly dangerous.

For those that care: There plenty of papers in Polish,Rumanian, Russian, and Chzeck on the preps if you really care, as well as some English language stuff like 2 UNODC papers,etc.


Smokester: Acetlysing crude alkaloids is not heroin. Acetylsation of morphine either freebase or salt is. It will convert some of the crude morphine into diacetylmorphine but a very low percentage and accompanied by nasty crap like (when injected)codeine,acetlycodeine, and thebaine it is not a good thing.

 

[g0d00]

The ONLY reason i clicked this thread is to make sure 'kompot'(polish for juice made out of some kind of fruit/plant) is really what you meant. And it was, i just finished drinking 1.2lbs worth of tea, so CHEERS FROM UP HERE!

 

[CloudyHazeD]

You talking 1.2 lbs of pod tea?!

 

[LeoC]

^^ I hope not! Sounds more like he's enjoying poppy seed tea.

I think he's talking about the extracted poppy pod resin that they shoot in Australia.

There is nothing like that here in Australia -- although I'm sure we've already ascertained that "kompot" is Polish (crude) heroin/morphia.

 

[Kenaz]

^ I think he's talking about the extracted poppy pod resin that they shoot in Australia. I don't knot anything about it myself but it doesn't sound very healthy thats for sure.

I think you are thinking of "Homebake," a concoction found mainly in Australia and New Zealand. The basic ingredients of Homebake aren't poppies, but codeine extracted via CWE from OTC pills, then converted into morphine and heroin (more or less, depending on the skill of the amateur chemist).

I know there are huge poppy fields in Tasmania: about 25% of them are Top1/Norman and useless for making tea or extracting anything but thebaine and a couple other useful but boring alkaloids. I have no idea how easy/difficult it is to find pods in the rest of Oceania, or how much PPT, PST, etc. is consumed....