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Brewing Kompot

Kenaz

Kenaz

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I'm curious as to what (more or less) goes into your average batch of Kompot. I'm guessing that after concentrating the PPT by simmering or boiling, the mix is filtered to remove particulate matter. I'm also assuming that at some point acetic anhydride or something similar is added to turn the morphine into diacetylmorphine. But I honestly don't know, and thought one of the experts here might be able to clarify this mystery.

(In case a disclaimer was needed: I have absolutely no desire to make this stuff or to put it in my veins. Everything I've come across suggests that Kompot makes American bathtub meth look safe and sterile... )
 
Heichelbech said:
^ I think he's talking about the extracted poppy pod resin that they shoot in Australia. I don't knot anything about it myself but it doesn't sound very healthy thats for sure.
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Judging by that, it seems incredibly unhealthy and stupid.
 
something similar is added to turn the morphine into diacetylmorphine
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There isn't any diamorphine in traditional kompot. Just your typical opium alkaloids, morphine, codeine, thebaine, and perhaps a little bit of mono-acetylmorphine. It was most popular in the post WWII era in communist controlled nations. It was only used as a last resort amongst opioid dependent individuals when heroin wasn't available. The high amounts of plant material present in kompot make filtering a time consuming process; and the presence of codeine and thebaine makes injection particularly dangerous.

According to Wikipedia, in preparation for injection one must stew the pods, or seed capsules, of the opium poppy in nearly boiling water and an acid. Then a base chemical must be added prior to injection.
 
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AlphaOdure said:
Btw, its not a good idea at all to inject any amount of codeine or products containing codeine--unless you want to risk pulmonary edema or similar adverse effects.
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Honestly, if you're shooting up concentrated poppy pod tea I suspect that codeine is among the least of your worries. :p
 
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Actually, injecting codeine and thebaine are one of the major risks associated with IVing Kompot. You'll fill your lungs up w/ water... is that among the least of your worries?

You're also risking going into shock if you happen to inject any amino acids; not fun either.
 
AlphaOdure said:
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Actually, injecting codeine and thebaine are one of the major risks associated with IVing Kompot. You'll fill your lungs up w/ water... is that among the least of your worries?

You're also risking going into shock if you happen to inject any amino acids; not fun either.
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I would be more concerned about the plant proteins than the codeine/thebaine. That's not to say that IV codeine isn't dangerous and potentially fatal... but I'm thinking that the plant proteins (never mind floating bacteria and virii) could do a lot more damage in the short term.

I was hoping Rachmanin or someone else with basic knowledge of heroin chemistry could explain the process in a little more detail. I've gathered from UTFSE that the process involves boiling down PPT, then adding a few chemicals. I was interested in some of the specific chemicals involved, as well as any other interesting anecdotes anyone might have about Kompot culture in Russia and Eastern Europe.

And I'm quite happy to maintain appropriate academic distance with this subject -- I've got no desire to shoot this stuff up myself (shudder). I like my poppy tea in a cup, not in my arm...
 
Alpha's right, kompot did not involve anytype of acetylation. Sometimes it may have involved extracting and concentrating morphine though.

What I don't get is why they didn't just extract opium and then extract and purify morphine from it. It's a simple process that involves chemicals that are readily available to just about anyone.

Meh, whatever. I guess they really didn't know how to do that. It's not like they had Google, or even synthesis books during the 80's in those communist countries.
 
They extract (absorb) the opiates from the PPT with acidic kationit which is then submerged in water, basified and acetylated, yielding the brew.
 
smokester said:
They extract (absorb) the opiates from the PPT with acidic kationit which is then submerged in water, basified and acetylated, yielding the brew.
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Do you have a source that says kompot was acetylated?
 
Oh come on, what is that Polish?

That's just a synthesis, it doesn't say how common that method actually was in the Eastern bloc during the cold war period.


I hope you don't mean "4-5" drops is all that's needed? Cause unless he's working with a half a gram of morphine, it's not gonna be enough. Also, time and heat is necessary...
 
I dont know about finding English sources since even most references in Poland are anecdotal at best (Im sure there are academic/scientific papers, just not on the net/google). Kompot is aka "Polish Heroin", and it's not a moot term as the acetylation it implies is real...

...and here goes the magic: you get a bunch of strongly acidic (h2so4) kationit, basically a non-soluble acid in solid form that turns the basic alkaloids from the PPT into salts sucking the bittery goodies up in the process and actually turning the pod soup sweet while leaving all the organic matter behind, which is promptly discarded. Then the kationit is washed anew and the solution of morphine sulfate is cooked (optional:a.charcoal) and basified with ammonia water forming freebase which crystalizes upon evaporation. This morphine freebase "plaster" is dissolved in ether/acetone and refluxed for 4-5 h [@85 C optimum], during which acetic anhydride is added at 4x the suspected content of morphine once the solvents have almost evaped, which yields a decent percentage of heroin in the final product, alongside monoacetylmorphine/unreacted morphine and trace opiates.

The above procedure is the classic recipe, you can experiment with different acids yielding different salts, additional filtration, chloroform extraction, etc. for even higher purity/yields. Im sure some hardcore fiends opted for dirty kompot which is basically a sieved, HCL'ed and acetylated version of PPT, full of all the opiate hydrochlorides, but still a respectable portion of morphine and its acetylated derivatives (and some impurities which got past the acid extraction).

Edit: Solid kationit is used as it's even more convenient than straight up acids, especially considering its availability, right with the water softeners at your local fish hobbyist shop. Same mechanism of sucking stuff outta the water (trading ions).
 
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Hmm, most the sources i've seen on the original forms of Kompot in the 1950s/Post WWII era suggest otherwise--as access to any sort of chemicals (other than the most basic of necessities- i.e. baking soda, acidic preparations) and/or lab equipment was rare. Remember, this is during the time of the Berlin airlift where large-scale communities were left w/o adequate living supplies and/or food by the Russians. However, this doesn't leave out the possibility that there was a degree of evolution in the synthesis process through out the following decades.

Supposedly, the recipe was refined in 1976 by some Polish chemist students. However, the specifics on their contributations to the evolution of kompot manufacture is vague at best.

source: Polish drug policies: between "hard" and "soft" prohibition, K. Krajewski, Journal of Drug Issues, Summer 2004
 
I don't think there's enough Codeine and Thebaine in Opium/Poppy Pod preparations/etc... to cause a major health problem.

Injectable Opium was available in the 50s.....

If there's ~10% Morphine and ~3% Codeine in Opium/Pods (it's approximately the case, right?, that means that if you want to shoot 50mg Morphine, you'll have to shoot only 15mg Codeine.....
Not enough to be worried.

Injecting plant matter is the problem.
 
Ok. I just did a search on it. At first, the end product was a solution of extracted alkaloids. Eventually some started crudely extracting morphine and acetylating it.

I couldn't find any scientific papers(that didn't require a subscription) on it, but there are some articles and Google allows you to search some books that talk about this very issue. :)
 
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