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Opioids breaking through buprenorphine blocking effect with poppy pods?

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So SWIM has been on subutex for about 5 months and have successfully tapered down to 1-2mg Bupe per day for the past month, and surprisingly my usual ROA is plugging it (which is stronger but doesn't last!) SWIM has some pods laying around and want to see if SWIM can make pod tea and get a buzz out of 'em. It has been about 12 hours since the last dose, which is cutting it close cause SWIM hasn't waited the full 24-72 hours you should wait, should SWIM try it, or will it be a waste of good pods?:)
 
We don't SWIM here, read the rules and edit your post.

I would be careful with poppy pods because you don't know how much active alkaloids you're consuming, it could be not enough, but even worse it could be too much.

Honestly, I wouldn't mess with pods.
 
Bupe binds better than naloxone and blocks opiates on its own.^

IME pods will definitely break through...that stew of opiates is very strong. Downside is that pods have a long halflife and youre gonna hafta wait to get back on the subs at least 48 hours after dosing the pods.

The only time I got precipated withdrawal is from not waiting long enough after doing pods.
 
Actually the naloxone is basically inactive and the blocking effects are a direct result of the buprenorphine, which both raises a users tolerance very high due to it's potency, and by having a higher binding affinity than other opioids, including naloxone.
 
Shady Kaity said:
There is no blocking effect with subutex. Only suboxone contains naloxone which serves as an opiate blocker...
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LIKE TRICOMB SAID, THIS IS 100% NOT TRUE!!
Pharmaceutical companys will try and feed you this bullshit to keep their patent on suboxone (the naloxone/buprenorphine formula). Watch, they'll be coming out with the 'Suboxone Inhaler', and then the 'SUBOXONE I.M. Ampules'-"just don't inject it into your veins!"

Anyway, sorry for the rant.

It's possible you might get a buzz off of PPT due to the many different alkaloids (I have heard sime PPT users complain that they still have some withdrawal symptoms when switching to methadone, bupe, or other opiates, due to the many different alkaloids). But like Tricomb said, for the sale of HR, we can't advise you to go ahead and do this due to the unknown ammount of alkaloids your pods contain. Honestly though, I doubt it would due anything but keep you out of withdrawal. 1mg of rectal suboxone (which means about .5-6 mg being absorbed), is equipotent to about 15-20 mg of IV morphine. I've never messed with Tea, but I have a hard time believing that youd be able to get enough oral morphine and codeine out of it to be equivalent to the IV dosage (oral morphine BA is pretty low). Beyond that there is the whole problem concerning the binding affinity. I know personally I can get high if I shoot up oxymorphone or heroin while one suboxone maintenance dosages of 2mg or less, but I know many people can't, or report only experiencing 50% of the desired effects.
 
Ahh sorry. That makes sense...my bfs SUBOXONE dr is the one who supplied us with this information. Sorry for the misinformation :)
 
Fuck snorted subs works so good either naloxone is ineffective IN or it doesn't do shit.

At that low of a dose you might feel something. But IME H doesn't breakthrough the bupe blockade, pods sure as hell won't.
 
Crcok? That's harsh. I already admited to my misinformation. God damn.
Anywho, you're right, the docs aren't the ones abusing the things we are lol but if the naloxone serves no purpose...then what the fuck is it doin lol
 
Please play nice, there's no need to harass your fellow Bluelighters, we all deserve respect here.

Both myself and my bro ZNeg covered it without name calling.

@Kaity, the naloxone is in there to "prevent abuse" however it is inactive via all routes of administration, it does nothing at all. It's a complete lie fed to doctors and the FDA by B&R (Beckitt & Reckinser) to make their product seem less abusable.
 
Yeah, it's crazy how misinformed doctors sometimes are. They just get their info from the pharmaceutical companies, and sometimes they even misunderstand that. I had a doctor tell me that the blocking effect from Suboxone was from the naloxone too and that's why they won't prescribe Subutex. I've learned that you really have to do your own research. Even if I heard something from someone who presumably should know, I always fact-check now before telling other people it's true :)
 
tricomb said:
Actually the naloxone is basically inactive and the blocking effects are a direct result of the buprenorphine, which both raises a users tolerance very high due to it's potency, and by having a higher binding affinity than other opioids, including naloxone.
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This is right the buprenorphine fille your mu receptors so that other opiates do not have receptors to bind to....
 
through personal experience i can tell you that suboxone's opiate blocking abilities are very dependent on the individual. suboxone does an awful job of blocking H for me. in fact i can get a heavy nod only several hours after dosing with suboxone.
 
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