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Television Breaking Bad

After that miserable Dexter ending, the Breaking Bad finale was a breath of fresh air. I mean, I knew that it was going to be awesome as the entire last season has been, but it still watching it all play out was really satisfying. Tied up loose ends and story lines, was epic as far as action and violence, and really I don't think it could have ended any other way.

Kudos Vince Gilligan.
 
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I love how they tied up this show.

I don't know if anyone else picked this up during the finale:


When Skinny Pete and Badger told Walt that the blue meth was still being made, better than ever, when Walt collapsed in the meth lab when the police came, with Jesse gone and hisenberg found dead at a meth lab and the blue sky gone, the legend of hisenberg and the blue sky died there, the empire, the power...!
 
Id have to think it would be fairly easy for forensic investigators to determine what all went down there. For a moment i thought walt was going to rig the lab to explode in the end and it was going to be like the ending from spun, which i thought was a pretty decent movie. Watching the marathon i got to hear some choice saul goodman lines so that was cool. I think my fav line of his is when hes meeting skylar for the first time and says walts taste in women is like his taste in lawyers. Nothing but the best with the right amount of dirty lmao...the look on her face is priceless. What? Im not vito correleon. Haha you? Youre fredo!
 
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Not gonna lie when Baby Blue came on and walt picked up the mask i was real close to fuckin tearin up
 
There's this one line Hank says in one of the episodes that I thought was one of the funniest things in the whole series:

He's like: "I got the brains, I got the brawn, I'm the whole package!"

I forget what made him say that, but that actually made me lol though..
 
Since we've been mentioning "The Wire" a little bit.....I found the ending of The Wire very unsatisfying and open-ended compared to BB...There's a lot of things they went through the trouble to develop and never followed-up on...

also, I though the whole Newspaper reporter sub=plot sucked donkey dick, that whole part of the story was a boring waste of time to me...

What did you find unsatisfying about The Wire's ending and what parts did you think were open-ended? That series wrapped everything up so well imo.

Man, that was a good episode. I'm saddened that it's over but that ambiguous ending kinda left it open to continue.

You guys were right about Walt changing from Heisenberg to something else. That cold methodical killer he portrayed the entire episode was amazing. He doesn't break it except when dealing with Skyler and Jessie. 100% redemption for him in the end. And using Gretchen and Eliot's denouncement of him on TV to set up the payment from them in the future was ingenious.

I'm glad Jessie got to kill Todd in the end too. It wouldn't have felt right otherwise. And letting him know Lydia was dead/dying too was perfect.

I agree with all of this, except what did you find ambiguous about the ending? The fate of Walt? Or the fate of other characters since we don't see how they go on?

When Todd approached Lydia a few episodes back and told her the purity was up he had mentioned Jesse to her and she said the cops were looking for him. Not sure how much evidence Hank had left behind of Jesse's wrongdoings, but I would think he'd still be wanted by the police? Plus, he's been off the grid for a year and has no cash and barely anyone to go to. I'm sure he's happy as hell to not be a prisoner to Nazi's anymore, but I think he might still end up in prison.
 
That was a much happier ending than I expected for the series, it was about as positive as possible actually. Comments from the creators led me to believe that they felt a need to punish Jesse, and Walt would probably not be able to reap any rewards from his cooking, tricky!
Wtf was up with Todd calmly saying "Mr. White" as if to ask a question after the automatic gun just killed the rest of his crew, the moment before Jesse strangles him? Shouldn't it have been obvious that the first thing for him to do was to go for his gun, or pick up someone else's? He had a moment where Walt was unarmed, and Jesse was still in chains, but crawls to the window and is all like "Mr. white?" Strange dude, I enjoyed watching him though
 
Jessie is resourceful enough to avoid detection if he wants to, I would think. I'm not sure what happened with his own money, but he might have some clues as to where a few other stacks of it might be...not likely that he'll go after it though. I think he would have had enough of being a captive to allow himself to get caught by the cops.
The fact that Walt died in the lab and placed his bloody hand prints all over it could easily lead them to believe that he was the one pumping out the blue meth. Who knows what story they will be able to figure out though...the few cops who knew a detailed amount of the case were dead. With Walt dying in the lab, and the bodies of Hank and Gomie revealed, would they bother to look for Jessie at this point?
 
That was a much happier ending than I expected for the series, it was about as positive as possible actually. Comments from the creators led me to believe that they felt a need to punish Jesse, and Walt would probably not be able to reap any rewards from his cooking, tricky!
Yep.
 
IRL, they'd probably want Jesse even more at this point since they need someone to be alive so they can make an example of them. that's what high-profile cases are all about; press conferences, trial coverage. Even if they can only prosecute one small cog on the wheel, it gives them an excuse to keep talking about the case ad-nauseam. Whether they even have anything on Jesse anymore with the video gone and Hank and Gomie dead, I don't remember.
 
Wtf was up with Todd calmly saying "Mr. White" as if to ask a question after the automatic gun just killed the rest of his crew, the moment before Jesse strangles him? Shouldn't it have been obvious that the first thing for him to do was to go for his gun, or pick up someone else's? He had a moment where Walt was unarmed, and Jesse was still in chains, but crawls to the window and is all like "Mr. white?" Strange dude, I enjoyed watching him though
You have to remember. Todd had the utmost respect for Walt. He refused to even kill his wife, which is saying a lot for a guy like Todd. He was probably bewildered by the whole incident. Like as if to say, Mr. White we can still work together, you are my idol. Lol.
 
And I imagine Todd wasn't with his neo nazi uncles totally by choice...like his dad is most likely dead and he has to hang out with people much more insane than him. The bad things he did was just their horribleness(i know its not a word) influencing him over time. So in a way he was a prisoner of these asshats too. That's why he was even "nice" with Jesse in his autistic ginger way. When Walt was looking at Jesse murdering Todd it looks like he was approving of it because he was killing somebody much more "evil" by default than him.
 
Comments from the creators led me to believe that they felt a need to punish Jesse

Can you quote these comments? If that's true, it would confirm the viewpoint I had in my debate with psood0nym the other day. The viewpoint that Jesse coming clean to the DEA was meant to alienate him from viewers.
 
Can you quote these comments? If that's true, it would confirm the viewpoint I had in my debate with psood0nym the other day. The viewpoint that Jesse coming clean to the DEA was meant to alienate him from viewers.



I will try to find others, but one of the main things came from an interview Carl posted earlier with Entertainment weekly and Peter Gould, when asked about the possibility of Jesse escaping.

" We thought about it, but the thing about Jesse — and it’s interesting, we have so much empathy for him — but sometimes we would step back in the writers’ room and talk about what this guy has really done. If he were a real person in our lives, what would we think of him? And the truth is, Jesse has done terrible, terrible things. He’s helped terrible, terrible things to happen. He could’ve stopped Walt after the child was shot. He could’ve stopped the whole thing. He could’ve gone to the police. What he ended up doing at the end of this season, he could’ve done that earlier, and think of all the death and destruction that would’ve been stopped. So I think to us, in one way, we love Jesse and we want good things to happen for him, but in a lot of ways, he’s created the situation himself. Todd, Jesse Plemons’ Todd was not doing the things we’re seeing now before he met Jesse and Walt. So, we would’ve loved for him to get away. Maybe if we had had more episodes, there would’ve been more episodes of Walt in New Hampshire and more episodes of Jesse’s escape from the Nazis."

And here is a repost of the link to the source: http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/09/23/breaking-bad-granite-state-writer/
 
it was hard to see jesse standing there at the end in full shackles. hair all long and messed up, it looked like he had his soul beaten out of him, like a dog thats been beaten a bunch of times...so when walt mows them all down i was glad jesse got to do todd himself with his bare hands. i mean walt more or less made jesse kill gale since it was the only way out of a situation that walt got him into. if he hadnt of ran over the 2 dealers jesse would have been shot, could of died and that would have been it. walt could of kept cooking.

i did feel it was a little rushed, but since everyone who was super big into the show, myself included, knew the background info on for example, when and where walt got the gun, the ricin he hid, and so on, it made it cool because gilligan took the time to square up every detail. when he breaks into gretchen and elliots i thought for sure he was doing something evil, like recording the convo, taking pictures, anything to cast a huge shadow on grey matter technologies, since its a publically traded company allegations of business ties to a meth king pin would be bad to say the least, esp bc they wrote the 28mil grant to help fight meth abuse, it would make it seem like they are trying to cover themselves. as for walt himself, the feeling i got from the last scene was he wasnt with the meth per se, but the actual chemistry that he loved so much.

it was great tho watching walt cap jack in the face with his own gun. just as it was immensely satisfying for walt to watch jesse kill todd with his bare hands. like he gave jesse the revenge he needed. with all the evidence in uncle jacks neo nazi compound id think they could figure out walt wasnt the one cooking for them, and that jesse or who ever was doing it. between the dog collar rig in the lab, the shackles, walts dead body and building that looked like it had literally been sawn in half with a machine gun. marie even tells skylar that nh police thought walt had stolen the car, and was headed back to nm. when walt looks in the rear view and says just get me home and ill do the rest, it kind of become clear walt had no intention of living after that day, since he wouldnt be living on his terms after that point. i also liked when he kind of terrorized gretchen and elliot and he tells them cheer up beautiful people, nows your chance to make it right.

so on a side note, what is the thought on this need for speed movie with aaron paul? i also noticed the counselor has dean norris in it. cormac mcarthy stuff is usually pretty cool, so im def in to see that. as much as i like aaron paul, im not really feeling the need for speed thing. i think hes kind of pigeonholed. give him something cool, not just a movie that really anyone could star in. weve seen how versatile he can be as an actor. who knows tho, maybe its really good...im not ruling it out, but on first looks alone id rather see the counselor.
 
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