Television Breaking Bad

[on_the_rugs]

I wonder if ever gets in on the secret. // S s sooo DDddaaaad. you were ccCC coking meth all thhiiis t time? Why dddidn't you t t tell me

 

[23536]

So don't seek assistance from the authorities if you know a nursing-home-bombing attempted murderer of a child who let your girlfriend drowned in her own vomit (granted, he doesn't know) because if you did it would in some vague way betray the unsullied integrity of friggin' tweeker culture? What? In such a case, "don't snitch" is so thoughtlessly juvenile a credo that it would be laughable if it wasn't simultaneously so gravely negligent. Yeah, Jesse, is a whiner, but he's clearly also an ignorant kid who was blindly manipulated into something far beyond his depth, and who wants desperately to reclaim the (relative) innocence of the life he had before its fate was tied to Walt's. To me, he's clearly been written as a tragic figure, not as a character who is being primed for slaughter because he deserves it. I'm not sure how the drama of the show would function coherently for a viewer who was sympathetic to a nihilistic opportunist like Walt -- there's simply nothing to anchor to in him. It's never been about providing for his family after his death. That's merely a rationalization he uses to defend his childish ego. He's refused to grow since losing his former love interest and the jealously and spite that has stemmed from that, nurtured by his pride and unfortunate circumstance, has flowered into a grand tragedy that has claimed the lives of innocents. I'm not sure how to make sense of the story if Walt isn't a disgusting bastard (even if there were times, VERY early on, when I sort of wanted him to be a bad ass who won out in the end).

The ethical consequences of the anti-snitching imperative is a fair topic for debate, but let's not deny that such an imperative exists. Knowing what you know about the show's audience, how can you say that Jesse's allegiance with Hank is meant to be a redeeming act? It's pretty obvious to me that the show's creators want the audience to condemn Jesse.

This condemnation is independent of the audience's feelings about Walt.

 

[PurpleKush1]

When it comes to this show, it seems I have all the usual reactions backwards. "Snitching" is the first action by Jesse that I applaud. He finally grew the balls to do somthing other then whining, which was indeed off-putting.

Fck jesse whinny ratting ass i hope he gets killed in a painful way that little bitch. I liked hsi character up until season 5. But now he transform into giant snitchign wuss.

So don't seek assistance from the authorities if you know a nursing-home-bombing attempted murderer of a child who let your girlfriend drowned in her own vomit (granted, he doesn't know) because if you did it would in some vague way betray the unsullied integrity of friggin' tweeker culture? What? In such a case, "don't snitch" is so thoughtlessly juvenile a credo that it would be laughable if it wasn't simultaneously so gravely negligent. Yeah, Jesse, is a whiner, but he's clearly also an ignorant kid who was blindly manipulated into something far beyond his depth, and who wants desperately to reclaim the (relative) innocence of the life he had before its fate was tied to Walt's. To me, he's clearly been written as a tragic figure, not as a character who is being primed for slaughter because he deserves it. I'm not sure how the drama of the show would function coherently for a viewer who was sympathetic to a nihilistic opportunist like Walt -- there's simply nothing to anchor to in him. It's never been about providing for his family after his death. That's merely a rationalization he uses to defend his childish ego. He's refused to grow since losing his former love interest and the jealously and spite that has stemmed from that, nurtured by his pride and unfortunate circumstance, has flowered into a grand tragedy that has claimed the lives of innocents. I'm not sure how to make sense of the story if Walt isn't a disgusting bastard (even if there were times, VERY early on, when I sort of wanted him to be a bad ass who won out in the end).

Are you fucking serious? ''tweaker culture'' ? Dude your morals must be fucked along way up in a big fat ass arent they. Me, and 99 % off the people in my life, some of who dont use drugs or dont use often all have that one thing in common we have as one of our first and most respect principles , to NOT snitch. People who snitch have a fucked up sense of trust, are basically cowards,fucking nasty rats, and desrve the shit they get and worse. No i wouldnt snitch on walt, because when you do bad, bad gets you in the end. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Ratting someone out i s having no ball and no fucking morality. I never ratted on nobody for any fucking reason. Your morals and principles are heavily fucked up if you think ratting on somebody for ANY fucking reason is acceptable. And the fact that you say that its a ''juvenile thing to not say dont snitch etc'' probves your a fucking coward and have no balls.

 

[His Name Is Frank]

Ratting someone out i s having no ball and no fucking morality. I never ratted on nobody for any fucking reason. Your morals and principles are heavily fucked up if you think ratting on somebody for ANY fucking reason is acceptable. And the fact that you say that its a ''juvenile thing to not say don't snitch etc'' proves you're a fucking coward and have no balls.

How do you figure Jesse ratting someone out who is responsible for over 200 deaths as having no balls and no morals? Walter White hasn't been a good guy for several seasons now and he will do anything to cover his own ass, including putting out a hit on said rat before he even knew he was a rat. So boo fucking hoo for poor old Heisenberg. Yeah, Jesse ratting him out is way worse than being responsible for many deaths, poisoning a little kid, letting a girl overdose right in front of his eyes and doing nothing because she was in the way of his master plan, etc. Right? If you believe that, then you have been to prison one too many times.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Walt does not have a Nobel prize.

I'll get the screenshot but it's in the first episode, and there is a def a plaque on his wall related to chemistry. I'll do that tomorrow after I come back from the hospital from my methadone to sub switch....i'm not having a merry day right now being forced not to take any opiates so that'll have to wait.

And to frank, when life decided to give you cancer only the best docs in the country can help you with, game's on, and if you can't have a trusted zip-lipped partner, then he's no good and a piece of shit loser who would already be dead off his chili meth a long ago. Todd would have been a better partner for Walt, easily.

Walt wasn't responsible for the plane accident, 200 deaths my ass.

 

[Black Rabbit of Inle]

How do you figure Jesse ratting someone out who is responsible for over 200 deaths as having no balls and no morals? Walter White hasn't been a good guy for several seasons now and he will do anything to cover his own ass, including putting out a hit on said rat before he even knew he was a rat. So boo fucking hoo for poor old Heisenberg. Yeah, Jesse ratting him out is way worse than being responsible for many deaths, poisoning a little kid, letting a girl overdose right in front of his eyes and doing nothing because she was in the way of his master plan, etc. Right? If you believe that, then you have been to prison one too many times.

Has Jessie really ratted Walt out? From what I gather, he hasn't told Hank anything he didn't already figure out (and Hank approached him). As for 'working with the DEA' Jessie has already shown that it's so he has a chance to get his revenge on Walt and doesn't want to see him get off 'easy' with jail time. He fucked up one sting to let Walt know he was coming for him 'where he really lives' and it was Huell that spilled the beans on the money.

I don't see Jessie as a rat exactly, Hank was really just the best security for him at this point.

 

[His Name Is Frank]

I guess you got up to go to the bathroom during the scene where Jesse tells Hank and Gomez everything that he and Walt have done from the first day they met until the present day, all while having his confessions recorded onto video.

 

[ErikTheRed]

I'll get the screenshot but it's in the first episode, and there is a def a plaque on his wall related to chemistry. I'll do that tomorrow after I come back from the hospital from my methadone to sub switch....i'm not having a merry day right now being forced not to take any opiates so that'll have to wait.

Just to clarify- Walt has a plaque that honors him for his work that contributed to a Nobel Prize, but he didn't win one.

As others have said, it was a brilliant episode, but the shootout felt really unrealistic. I can't believe uncle Jack's crew didn't hit Hank or Gomez even once. Not to mention the fact that Hank popped up with little cover to return fire with his pistol against 6-7 heavily armed guys. I mean these guys are hardened criminals, you'd think they'd have better accuracy.

I wonder if maybe Jesse will take Walt as a hostage (he could use Walt's gun) to try to negotiate with the neo Nazis.

 

[psood0nym]

Fck jesse whinny ratting ass i hope he gets killed in a painful way that little bitch. I liked hsi character up until season 5. But now he transform into giant snitchign wuss.


Are you fucking serious? ''tweaker culture'' ? Dude your morals must be fucked along way up in a big fat ass arent they. Me, and 99 % off the people in my life, some of who dont use drugs or dont use often all have that one thing in common we have as one of our first and most respect principles , to NOT snitch. People who snitch have a fucked up sense of trust, are basically cowards,fucking nasty rats, and desrve the shit they get and worse. No i wouldnt snitch on walt, because when you do bad, bad gets you in the end. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Ratting someone out i s having no ball and no fucking morality. I never ratted on nobody for any fucking reason. Your morals and principles are heavily fucked up if you think ratting on somebody for ANY fucking reason is acceptable. And the fact that you say that its a ''juvenile thing to not say dont snitch etc'' probves your a fucking coward and have no balls.

Heh heh, I really don't know where to begin ... It's like Riley from "The Boondocks" opened up a bluelight account:

You do understand that the “don’t snitch” credo is blatantly exploitative of the end users of drugs, right? It’s disseminated to protect the profits of criminal opportunists who don’t give a shit about the people they tell not to snitch. The end user is exploited by the manufacturers and distributors of drugs and law enforcement BOTH. You seem to be advocating anarchy. Being a drug user does not implicitly require one to pledge allegiance to the criminal syndicates that supply drugs. The morality of any individual’s behavior is judged in the context of the behavior of other individuals with whom they interact. There are no sides to join. Sides are simplified generalizations constructed and designated to exploit individuals who cannot think for themselves. I called adhering to the “don’t snitch” credo juvenile because thinking in generalized dichotomies is characteristic of the thinking of children. “Don’t snitch?” Who should we not snitch on, for what reasons, and under what conditions? These are critical questions that those who blindly follow catch phrase ethics don’t ask. It doesn’t take balls to parrot street slogans and buy into the life philosophies of thuggish simpletons. It takes balls to make an honest appraisal of the motives and intentions behind the behavior of those we are allied with, do what’s right, and protect the innocent even at personal peril.

When you get caught you don’t “snitch” on somebody who has given you a fair deal on illicit goods you intended to acquire from them when that’s all there is to it. There is integrity in that. However, when that person lets your girlfriend die, is willing to use his old neighbor lady as a decoy in a suspected deadly trap at his house, bombs a nursing home, and poisons children so he can get ahead in the world maybe you ought to consider that there are less deplorable ways to achieve such ends and maybe such a case is beyond the sensible application of a silly two-word street slogan.

What, precisely, is Jesse supposed to do given the limitations he's faced with? What other recourse does he have to fight back? He’s just doing what he can to stop Walt before more innocent lives are destroyed. Yeesh.

The ethical consequences of the anti-snitching imperative is a fair topic for debate, but let's not deny that such an imperative exists. Knowing what you know about the show's audience, how can you say that Jesse's allegiance with Hank is meant to be a redeeming act? It's pretty obvious to me that the show's creators want the audience to condemn Jesse.

This condemnation is independent of the audience's feelings about Walt.

I’m not sure what audience you think is being catered to, here. It’s the highest rated show on cable television. Its audience is pretty general. My girlfriend and her friends aren't drug users, just like much of the show's audience, and they all feel sorry for Jesse, as do I. I mean, look at the first google results when you type "poor Jesse". All those people aren't going to think him a traitor just because he allied with Hank when he was backed into a corner. Hell, I even actually kind of like Hank at this point (didn't earlier), and I despise the DEA!

 

[Black Rabbit of Inle]

I guess you got up to go to the bathroom during the scene where Jesse tells Hank and Gomez everything that he and Walt have done from the first day they met until the present day, all while having his confessions recorded onto video.

I was quite possibly high when that happened and didn't really take it in. I'm not paying too much attention to the whole thing as I'll re-watch the whole season once all the episodes are out.

If that's the case, that they recorded Jessie, wouldn't that give them enough grounds to start a case against Walt? I know they'd need physical evidence to prosecute, but Jessie's confession clears Hank from any backlash from Walts confession tape doesn't it?

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Heh heh, I really don't know where to begin ... It's like Riley from "The Boondocks" opened up a bluelight account:

You do understand that the “don’t snitch” credo is blatantly exploitative of the end users of drugs, right? It’s disseminated to protect the profits of criminal opportunists who don’t give a shit about the people they tell not to snitch. The end user is exploited by the manufacturers and distributors of drugs and law enforcement BOTH. You seem to be advocating anarchy. Being a drug user does not implicitly require one to pledge allegiance to the criminal syndicates that supply drugs. The morality of any individual’s behavior is judged in the context of the behavior of other individuals with whom they interact. There are no sides to join. Sides are simplified generalizations constructed and designated to exploit individuals who cannot think for themselves. I called adhering to the “don’t snitch” credo juvenile because thinking in generalized dichotomies is characteristic of the thinking of children. “Don’t snitch?” Who should we not snitch on, for what reasons, and under what conditions? These are critical questions that those who blindly follow catch phrase ethics don’t ask. It doesn’t take balls to parrot street slogans and buy into the life philosophies of thuggish simpletons. It takes balls to make an honest appraisal of the motives and intentions behind the behavior of those we are allied with, do what’s right, and protect the innocent even at personal peril.

When you get caught you don’t “snitch” on somebody who has given you a fair deal on illicit goods you intended to acquire from them when that’s all there is to it. There is integrity in that. However, when that person lets your girlfriend die, is willing to use his old neighbor lady as a decoy in a suspected deadly trap at his house, bombs a nursing home, and poisons children so he can get ahead in the world maybe you ought to consider that there are less deplorable ways to achieve such ends and maybe such a case is beyond the sensible application of a silly two-word street slogan.

What, precisely, is Jesse supposed to do given the limitations he's faced with? What other recourse does he have to fight back? He’s just doing what he can to stop Walt before more innocent lives are destroyed. Yeesh.



I’m not sure what audience you think is being catered to, here. It’s the highest rated show on cable television. Its audience is pretty general. My girlfriend and her friends aren't drug users, just like much of the show's audience, and they all feel sorry for Jesse, as do I. I mean, look at the first google results when you type "poor Jesse". All those people aren't going to think him a traitor just because he allied with Hank when he was backed into a corner. Hell, I even actually kind of like Hank at this point (didn't earlier), and I despise the DEA!

Fuck this whole noise, role model for situations like this, even lifetime : Hector Salamanca.

 

[psood0nym]

^What?

 

[Mel22]

before leaving in a hurry for that fake money thing (I knew it was fake, they couldn't have known at all)

Lol.

 

[ebola?]

Wow, sorry for offending Walt Jr's biggest fan! Judging by this thread, he doesn't have many.

hah...ummm...I don't see how a 17 yr. old kid could elicit much hatred w/o being relentlessly annoying; I at least am largely incapable of feeling that sort of thing toward that demographic.

It's like Riley from "The Boondocks" opened up a bluelight account:

Fucking. Hilarious. XD Good analysis of the entailed ethical dynamics following what you said too.

^What?

Oblivion wanted to say that he opted to ignore the sentiment of your analysis and reaffirm that "snitching" is bad.

ebola

 

[swilow]

Some kinda theory that the nazi/stormtroopers were actually try to kill Walt, then snatch Jessie and force him to cook under duress after killing fucken hank, gomez and luke skywalker.

 

[ColtDan]

 

[mal3volent]

Ratting someone out i s having no ball and no fucking morality. I never ratted on nobody for any fucking reason. Your morals and principles are heavily fucked up if you think ratting on somebody for ANY fucking reason is acceptable. And the fact that you say that its a ''juvenile thing to not say dont snitch etc'' probves your a fucking coward and have no balls

You sound like a fucking 12 year old. How is it less moral to rat on a person who poisoned a child and bombed a retirement home than to know about it and do nothing?

 

[23536]

I’m not sure what audience you think is being catered to, here. It’s the highest rated show on cable television. Its audience is pretty general. My girlfriend and her friends aren't drug users, just like much of the show's audience, and they all feel sorry for Jesse, as do I. I mean, look at the first google results when you type "poor Jesse". All those people aren't going to think him a traitor just because he allied with Hank when he was backed into a corner. Hell, I even actually kind of like Hank at this point (didn't earlier), and I despise the DEA!

You're saying they made Jesse a weenie and a rat to cater to female viewers?

I can't really argue with that. But do you deny that the creative decision to have Jesse eat cheese was meant to alienate him from male viewers (who likely comprise the majority of BB's audience)?

Nor is the repudiation of police collaborators unique to the young and/or urban demographic. Is Pacino's character in Scent of a Woman as much of a caricature as Riley from Boondocks?



ETA: It's not lost on me that the usual calculus of sympathy is confounded here. We're talking about a show that has managed to get many of its viewers to root for neo-Nazis. See for instance:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0903747/board/flat/219471551

 

[23536]

Personally, I wish this show had been more about molarity than morality.

 

[PurpleKush1]

How do you figure Jesse ratting someone out who is responsible for over 200 deaths as having no balls and no morals? Walter White hasn't been a good guy for several seasons now and he will do anything to cover his own ass, including putting out a hit on said rat before he even knew he was a rat. So boo fucking hoo for poor old Heisenberg. Yeah, Jesse ratting him out is way worse than being responsible for many deaths, poisoning a little kid, letting a girl overdose right in front of his eyes and doing nothing because she was in the way of his master plan, etc. Right? If you believe that, then you have been to prison one too many times.

My point is he will get his dues whether you snitch on him or not. Karma exists. I knows its all fiction, but i mean if it was IRL karma exists and is one hell of a bitch.

Heh heh, I really don't know where to begin ... It's like Riley from "The Boondocks" opened up a bluelight account:

You do understand that the “don’t snitch” credo is blatantly exploitative of the end users of drugs, right? It’s disseminated to protect the profits of criminal opportunists who don’t give a shit about the people they tell not to snitch. The end user is exploited by the manufacturers and distributors of drugs and law enforcement BOTH. You seem to be advocating anarchy. Being a drug user does not implicitly require one to pledge allegiance to the criminal syndicates that supply drugs. The morality of any individual’s behavior is judged in the context of the behavior of other individuals with whom they interact. There are no sides to join. Sides are simplified generalizations constructed and designated to exploit individuals who cannot think for themselves. I called adhering to the “don’t snitch” credo juvenile because thinking in generalized dichotomies is characteristic of the thinking of children. “Don’t snitch?” Who should we not snitch on, for what reasons, and under what conditions? These are critical questions that those who blindly follow catch phrase ethics don’t ask. It doesn’t take balls to parrot street slogans and buy into the life philosophies of thuggish simpletons. It takes balls to make an honest appraisal of the motives and intentions behind the behavior of those we are allied with, do what’s right, and protect the innocent even at personal peril.

When you get caught you don’t “snitch” on somebody who has given you a fair deal on illicit goods you intended to acquire from them when that’s all there is to it. There is integrity in that. However, when that person lets your girlfriend die, is willing to use his old neighbor lady as a decoy in a suspected deadly trap at his house, bombs a nursing home, and poisons children so he can get ahead in the world maybe you ought to consider that there are less deplorable ways to achieve such ends and maybe such a case is beyond the sensible application of a silly two-word street slogan.

What, precisely, is Jesse supposed to do given the limitations he's faced with? What other recourse does he have to fight back? He’s just doing what he can to stop Walt before more innocent lives are destroyed. Yeesh.



I’m not sure what audience you think is being catered to, here. It’s the highest rated show on cable television. Its audience is pretty general. My girlfriend and her friends aren't drug users, just like much of the show's audience, and they all feel sorry for Jesse, as do I. I mean, look at the first google results when you type "poor Jesse". All those people aren't going to think him a traitor just because he allied with Hank when he was backed into a corner. Hell, I even actually kind of like Hank at this point (didn't earlier), and I despise the DEA!

Sorry i was rude in my earlier message ireacted stupidly. But the dealers is putting his ass on the line to supply one g of blow, you get caught and you gon snitch on him for that? And yeah, walt did all this shit to jesse, but jesse should deal with it like a man and not a coward. Snitching is the easy and nasty way out. He should kill him and take care of it like a man. Im not following the ''Snitches get stitches'' way, its just a moral principle of mine to not rat. Exceptions being Serial killers who kill INNOCENT people. THe majority of people who walt killed werent innocent, they knew there were risks to what they were doing and they knew they could get popped one day.

Mike was a killer, he got killed, GUs was a killer, he got killed.Tuco was a killer, he got killed. ETC. Its Karma. Eventually walt is gonna get his. ANd saying Walter is DIRECTLY responsible for the airplane crash is a bit of a stretch dont you think? I mean its the guy whose daughter jane dide who is responsible. Its his stupid ass'es fault all those people died. He knew he was emotanionally unstable and unfocused, he couldve skipped that day at work, but he still went and its his fault everybody died. Not walts.

As for brock walt had to do evil to get rid of a bigger evil. He knew brock wouldnt die. Walt never killed a child. Gus did. Gus had to die. Its all very fucking simple to me. As the bombing of the nursing home. Walt knew the bomb wouldnt kill anybody outside of the three people it was supossed to kill. Walt isnt as evil as people make him out to be. Jesse on the other hand is whinny little bitch who cant stop whining, while he knew there would be deaths and all getting into the bussiness with walt. Shit making meth is not exactly good for people is it. Jesse can deal with it like a man and attack walt. Instead of being a bitch and going to the DEA. IMO.

You sound like a fucking 12 year old. How is it less moral to rat on a person who poisoned a child and bombed a retirement home than to know about it and do nothing?

Read what i wrote above. By the way, You mad much?