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Bupe Brand Name Vs Generic Suboxone
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PharmaTrain
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Still no 54/411's am stuck with the Teva generic which has food coloring for 1. Or extra ph acidic crap which I found there's many formulations of bupe going back to the 80's. I know one of them must be cleaner than these. The pharmacy now makes people get the doc to put the generic name on the script or they will not order it. Sucks.
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PharmaTrain
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I was the one who brought this up first. It's not because of urine screening or anything of that nature. I've been clean from street drugs for almost 20 years. That being said with the advances in the 5G network and the IoT's in the healthcare industry for remote monitoring I see where they are going. This is from research. I want my privacy without trackers, chips and nano tech in my medication. I want old school medication in pill form with no unnecessary inactive ingredients. I don't trust the healthcare industry or doctors at all anymore. The COVID hoax was the last straw. They used fear to get people (not me) to take a gene therapy shot which changes DNA and gets people sick and much more. I've lost friends to this jab. Many. I warned them and they still got it. But I blame the healthcare workers for choosing money over lives not to mention the Globalist working for the devil no doubt.
Why don't you just ask your Dr for the generic
Hey, so I was just coming into this thread to ask if anyone by chance had any experience with these oval Teva 153's, 8mg generic bupe. I have a couple bottles of them, I'm about to switch over from the Sun 160's. I have like 9 of those left. I have plenty to finish my taper, I drop from 5 to 4 mg tomorrow, I won't actually get to the Teva's until I hit around 3mg, but I just don't wanna be shocked by some marked drop in efficacy right when I'm getting to the nitty gritty of my taper lol. I remember using the Teva's somewhat recreationally ("self-medicating" as they call it) to good effect, but I also had a pretty low tolerance at the time.
From what I read across the internet the ones I'm on now are alleged ass, but I know they're miles better than the A8 strips I switched over from a few month ago.
Thoughts?
The amount of control/influence that medical providers have in this process is staggeringly low. You're right to gripe with big pharma though I'd argue that it should be over the focus on profits and frank lack of innovation in formulations designed to help reduce treatment necessity over time, than the possible scenario you're describing. I'm reluctant to address the second part of your post as have no gripe with you. I will only say this, my own research and day to day experience in primary care clinics over the course of the pandemic and since, all would indicate that your information/concerns are the product of propaganda from agents whose intention is to destabilize our society. I understand if you're not open to hearing that, we can just agree to disagree.
When you say that you 'blame the healthcare workers for choosing money over our lives', what do you mean by that exactly?
PharmaTrain
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Planning too this month. I tried to call before I got it filled but he was out and the pharmacy said I'd have to wait an extra two days after I run out once he did change the script. This bullshit reason is two pronged. One to get me to just get the teva's filled and the other is so if I really want one they have to order, they will make me run out and wait on them. Back when I was running I'd take that place for everything they got. Silver age of robbery , no cameras, no computers... Their lucky I'm not the same.
PharmaTrain
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The $4000 a week the Pharmacist gets for giving the jab besides the regular work is an example. The ceo of the hospital gets $33,000 for every cv-19 death and $13,000 for every admission. Everyone up top gets paid for this lie used to depopulate and test nano tech on society. The top being the Zionist/Globalist which is the "synagogue of Satan". Than the politicians and all Freemasons who from the top to almost the bottom. See with every false flag there are those who are left in the dark so they can go to bat that the system did everything they could and followed the science. I don't blame them they are just pawns in this global conspiracy. I feel bad for them. Many are left holding the bag while the top is hidden. I hope this helps.
Also to topple a nation first they need to demoralize and destabilize and desensitize the people to takeover. We are seeing the product of this now.
Can I ask where your insight into this information comes from? I know a few pharmacists and none of them receive compensation for giving injections. No disrespect intended to you, but I was taught not to believe everything you see on TV (or in this case, read online). There is a lot of misinformation that people share in online spaces which create an appealing narrative for collusion by powerful shadowy forces, yet the veracity of which is difficult to pin down. While I absolutely believe that there are powerful people who have benefited from CoVID through exploiting people's fear and desire to alleviate that fear through creature comforts (looking at you Jeff Bezos), I think the banality of true evil is much less sexy than your average Marvel movie might make it seem. We don't use vaccines with nanotechnology in them and the only evidence of such claims I've ever seen reported is followed by the hand-waving of *do your own research*. I work with methamphetamine users, deep in the midst of psychosis, who have offer more compelling arguments for the shadow people they claim to have impregnated.
P.S. I imagine pharmacists at the local pharmacy near me would be a whole hell of a lot happier if they were raking in $4000 extra a week.
lisanaples
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I was on brand suboxone for years and then switched to generic, I felt awful. My dose had to double just to stop withdrawal symptoms. I finally got a good enough job that I switched back to brand. I need half the dose, I feel normal now with no withdrawal at all. Why are these generics even allowed to do this to people? I can’t even imagine the amount of poor souls that relapsed due to these generics not being the same. Luckily i had been sober for years when they switched me to generic and didn’t even consider a relapse but I can’t imagine if they did that to me newly sober! We all need to get together and write our congressman, the DEA and whoever will listen and tell them what’s happening here! It’s dangerous to play with people’s lives like this! I’m appalled!I’ve been saying for awhile now how many of the generic Suboxone preparations don’t work as well as the brand name. I’ve tried both Dr Reddys and Alvogen brand generics, the former much worse than the latter.
As my brand name stockpile dwindles I’m beginning to worry about the future. Then I see this article which falls completely in line with my experience and the experiences of others.
108 Warning: Generic Suboxone Not Equal to Name Brand | CNS Spectrums | Cambridge Core
108 Warning: Generic Suboxone Not Equal to Name Brand - Volume 25 Issue 2www.cambridge.org
I’d like to hear anyone else’s experiences comparing brand name to generic.
For me there’s a withdrawal component, lethargy, unwanted high feeling, and worst of all migraines that come for an hour or two after use.
I’ve got 40 Dr Reddys 8mg strips that I think I may extract to see if the problem is related to additives in the strips.
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DeathIndustrial88
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Sorry! I never saw this comment for some reason until now!
And I have no idea why I was so huffy with you either. I must've been cranky & defensive that day.
But I appreciate your insights!
And yeah, for anyone wondering, the urine screenings can have variables. My bupe & norbupe ratios are always different when I take my piss tests.
Absorption, the time of day you dosed & metabolism & all kinds of other factors come into play, so it'd be really difficult for doctors to really find out how much you're actually taking each day, unless they did like blood draws every single day. So I don't think a lot of doctors worry too much about it. Or at least my doc has never said anything about my levels constantly being different.
Actually at my last piss test, I drank so much water in order to go & the lab they sent it to said my creatine was too low & suggested another re-sampling. Which sucks. It still showed my bupe & norbupe in my urine though, so hopefully doctor doesn't push me to do another one.
I hate piss tests. I've always had anxiety about using bathrooms in public. And every time I have to do a piss test, they even tape the sink faucet handles & everything so that you can't turn on any water. So I basically have to stand there in a room, with thin walls, listening to all the nurses & other patients chattering. And it makes it really hard to focus enough to pee. Some times if I can run water & put my hand under warm water, it helps me pee. So the fact that they tape up the faucet so that I can't even do that is just so de-humanizing. It's like they automatically consider you a liar. Even if I do have to go really bad, my bladder will still freeze up & it can take me 10-15 minutes to finally get a stream going. I've almost quit my treatment several times because of this. I hate it. It's invasive. And I can't control my anxiety & bladder at the drop of a hat like they want me to.
But yeah if the norbupe levels are low then they might get suspicious.
I'm glad there are open minded people like you out there helping other drug users. We need more people like you in that field.
I wish I could just take legal diacetylmorphine. Buprenorphine bores me to tears & I still wake up every morning & my first thought is always "Man I wish I had some brown" as soon as I'm conscious. And that's after 8 years of bupe & therapy. I will never stop craving & desiring heroin. And our insane society & government we live in is making sure I'll never be happy or have quality of life ever again.
Sorry again for seeming so grumpy in this thread! I have no idea what my problem was that day. lol Hope you are well!
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No problem - and glad to provide them!
yeah - none of this is a perfect science. Sometimes people have weird utox results that might get interpreted one way or another, depending on the relationship between the provider and the patient. Sometimes there are errors in collection or in processing. I had two patients come up positive for fentanyl one week, patients I had had my therapy sessions with on the days that they tested, and who I got no sense had relapsed (as the tests were taken on the same day, a positive would have been the result of use prior to our session, either that day or on one of the previous days. I can't be 100% certain, but I have a pretty good sense of when someone is being truthful/hiding something/worried about something etc. I used to be a junkie so I trust in my spidey sense when talking with others like me). They both popped positive on the same day, and both were taken aback by this utox result. Also I never got the sense that they knew each other much or were friends outside of the suboxone clinic. Both were also DCF involved, so a positive urine could have ramifications on their parental rights. I advocated pretty heavily on behalf of both of them, and I think the fact that two stable patients who'd never been positive previously were suddenly showing +Fent (-)Bupe in the same week. They both returned the following day after getting results and provided appropriate urines.
I remember how terrified one of them was - she was super close to getting an apartment, and being fully reunited with her daughter. Knowing how precarious her rights can be once the state labels you an addict, she was understandably pretty shaken up. I was glad to be able to advocate on behalf of both of them, and especially that I was able to reassure the terrified one that I had her back and would do whatever I could to advocate for her. They ultimately determined that it was some type of lab or handling error given that all other urines were appropriate and not suspicious in any way.
And suboxone keeps you locked into that, week after week, month after month. That reminder when you walk into the clinic that you're 'one of those patients' - walking across the waiting room with a cup in your hand, knowing that if something goes wrong, you'll have to offer a good explanation. Even if you've done nothing wrong, there are all these reminders of the reason why you're there. Sometimes you run into a provider who's having a shitty day and gives you a hard time, or gets annoyed when you ask a reasonable question. If you advocate to come off or even ask for it, you're met with dismissiveness or suspicion.
Maybe you relate to some of that stuff, maybe all of it, but that's all the kind of stuff I would observe with various providers, clinics, and patient experiences over the years. The little ways that the process dehumanizes you, while keeping you caught up in dependence on a drug that makes you like 60% better, but never gives you back the freedom from opioid dependence.
I'm sorry that you've gotta deal with that shit. I imagine that it's rare that people even understand how this stuff eats at you over time. Most of the providers have little personal experience with addiction, and aren't necessarily trained in a way to consider the subjective experience of someone on buprenorphine maintenance, and how the treatment model itself can be tough on you.
I do it because I was addicted to heroin, and I saw the way the system worked for people, and the way it didn't work for people. I do it so that *we* have a voice. I believe that it's important that we're represented in one of the systems that we interface with most (healthcare/addiction treatment). Ironically, bupe didn't work well for me. I felt half sick half well but unable to get high when I was on it. It was kind of miserable honestly, so I stopped taking it after a few months, relapsed for a while, and then did a methadone taper in detox. This was back in 08. After that, I went to a short term residential and then a halfway house before graduating and then just kind of putting the pieces back together slowly over time.
Honestly - my advice is that as long as you are on bupe, you'll have that connection to being an addict. You'll be in the same clinics, doing the same labs, filling the same prescriptions, having the same conversations, as the first day you got on bupe and off of dope. How the fuck do you move on from your addiction if you're tethered to it like that? I don't honestly know that you can.
I've been clean 16 years now, and I never think about dope. The last time I thought about 'how much I wanted it' was within the first year of being clean. I'm not saying total abstinence either, I've done plenty of drugs, drank etc. over the years, but I was completely sober for the first 2.5-3 years and was very careful about how I reintroduced mind altering substances into my life once I decided to do that. I had a therapist who knew, I had friends I talked about it with, and I made sure to be open to critique if the need came up.
If you're feeling the way you are, I'd urge you to consider trying to come off and going without anything for a while - switch to sublocade for a few months and then let yourself taper off. The half life is long enough that you can just kind of stop taking the injection and it'll self-taper over many many months. Use that time to get connected to some recovery fellowships, do some service work, get a sponsor, the whole deal. Then decide later on if you want to stay on the abstinence only path or re-explore substance use from a responsible perspective.
It can be done, but it requires commitment and a desire to embrace the concept and philosophy of 'recovery'.
You can stop craving heroin, but I would wager that the bupe is partially the reason it's so hard to fully let go.