Limpet_Chicken
Bluelighter
Found a couple of interesting plant species in the lit. that seem to possess NMDA antagonistic effects.
The first is Searsia, this genus contains at least two species possessed of NMDA antagonists, binding in an un- or possibly both uncompetitive and noncompetitive manner (the response to NMDA-activated NMDAr Ca++ channels was greater than towards the channel in the absence of NMDA or glutamate, which is a similar effect to that of memantine, where the drug requires activation of receptors prior to binding, and thus has a greater effect upon inhibition of calcium currents where an agonist ligand is bound at a concentration equal to that of maximal efficacy than when agonist is bound at a submaximal level or is absent)
Very interesting sounding plants. I may have to track some down if I can. There also may well be GABAa positive modulators present. Used traditionally in S.africa for epilepsy and anxiolytic reasons. S.pyroides and S.dentata are both active in an NMDA antagonistic manner. S.dentata extract (EtOH extract) resulted in a somewhat greater maximal inhibition of calcium currents at a given concentration than did S.pyroides and so would appear to either possess more of the same antagonist, a related compound or both.
DOI 10.1016/j.jep.2011.05.038
http://sci-hub.cc/10.1016/j.jep.2011.05.038 full text.
Anyone care to look over those patch-clamp and cell clamp traces and comment on whether or not my conclusion is accurate?
And what is meant by 'run down' effect of prolonged currents?
Will comment on Cyperus articulatus in a bit, given I've gotten some morphine in my system and I'm not feeling a bit crap (my docs surgery isn't open this monday it seems and I've 'accidentally' (accidentally on purpose that is) ended up with an entire extra script. Just when I needed some for my persuit of desomorphine
)
The first is Searsia, this genus contains at least two species possessed of NMDA antagonists, binding in an un- or possibly both uncompetitive and noncompetitive manner (the response to NMDA-activated NMDAr Ca++ channels was greater than towards the channel in the absence of NMDA or glutamate, which is a similar effect to that of memantine, where the drug requires activation of receptors prior to binding, and thus has a greater effect upon inhibition of calcium currents where an agonist ligand is bound at a concentration equal to that of maximal efficacy than when agonist is bound at a submaximal level or is absent)
Very interesting sounding plants. I may have to track some down if I can. There also may well be GABAa positive modulators present. Used traditionally in S.africa for epilepsy and anxiolytic reasons. S.pyroides and S.dentata are both active in an NMDA antagonistic manner. S.dentata extract (EtOH extract) resulted in a somewhat greater maximal inhibition of calcium currents at a given concentration than did S.pyroides and so would appear to either possess more of the same antagonist, a related compound or both.
DOI 10.1016/j.jep.2011.05.038
http://sci-hub.cc/10.1016/j.jep.2011.05.038 full text.
Anyone care to look over those patch-clamp and cell clamp traces and comment on whether or not my conclusion is accurate?
And what is meant by 'run down' effect of prolonged currents?
Will comment on Cyperus articulatus in a bit, given I've gotten some morphine in my system and I'm not feeling a bit crap (my docs surgery isn't open this monday it seems and I've 'accidentally' (accidentally on purpose that is) ended up with an entire extra script. Just when I needed some for my persuit of desomorphine
)
