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Bluelight weekly photography contest Round 17: Shadows

purplefirefly said:
There is nothing like walking in the clouds :)

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Mount Washington
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I loooove those day's. Its like the sky decided to come down for a visit.

I wish I could find it, I have a really excellent one like that from the lake district in england.
 
chrissie said:
the levels in that photo could have been tweaked to create the strong contrast/lack of greys in the shadow area. level adjustments are not heavy manipulations in my opinion
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Not everyone has the software (or the know how) to do those sorts of things, which is why if everyone just resized/cropped their images just as they are each picture would be on an even playing field. When someone starts adjusting that level, and darkening that area, and shading that area, and toning down that part, and greying out that area they're giving themselves an extra advantage to "win" that round that others aren't capable of.

Anyone is free to start a "photo manipulation contest" thread, I'd just hate to see something fun like this get ruined because someone can't seem to play by the rules. 8)
 
BA, would you be opposed to level adjustments in traditional photo printing? How about using different lenses/better cameras that not everyone has access to. How is that a level playing field? I don't see how something like brightening a photo is considered "heavy manipulation." It isn't going to make a bad photo good. I'm not talking about ACID's photo but rather the rules in general.
 
the difference is whatever you can catch with the opening and closing of a shutter and nothing more. my understanding is that is where it lies.

NO POST SHOOTING MODIFICATIONS, except cropping and resizing.
 
We're talking about two different things here, imo. Chrissie is talking about a whole photo adjustment, where as BA is talking about select zone adjustment. The latter would fall more readily into the manipulation column, imo.

Having said that, I can see where allowing any adjustment could open a bigger can of worms than we'd want to deal with. The debate on which "adjustments" are acceptable and which aren't could go on for ages. To level the playing field, I would be more inclined to agree to a "zero adjustment" policy, which is what I was under the impression we had to this point.

To date, I have not seen any conclusive proof that ACID's image was manipulated in any way (other than resized/cropped). If anyone can offer definitive proof that her photo was adjusted in the way people claim, suppose and hypothesise it was, then the decision to add her to the poll will be revisited. Until then, her entry stays in. In my world, as much as someone may appear guilty, unless you have concrete proof against the person, the person should neither be charged, nor convicted, nor sentenced. That's just me though.
 
SillyAlien said:
We're talking about two different things here, imo. Chrissie is talking about a whole photo adjustment, where as BA is talking about select zone adjustment. The latter would fall more readily into the manipulation column, imo.

Having said that, I can see where allowing any adjustment could open a bigger can of worms than we'd want to deal with. The debate on which "adjustments" are acceptable and which aren't could go on for ages. To level the playing field, I would be more inclined to agree to a "zero adjustment" policy, which is what I was under the impression we had to this point.

To date, I have not seen any conclusive proof that ACID's image was manipulated in any way (other than resized/cropped). If anyone can offer definitive proof that her photo was adjusted in the way people claim, suppose and hypothesise it was, then the decision to add her to the poll will be revisited. Until then, her entry stays in. In my world, as much as someone may appear guilty, unless you have concrete proof against the person, the person should neither be charged, nor convicted, nor sentenced. That's just me though.
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A couple of points.

Firstly My understanding of the rules as they stand is that some manipulation is allowed......... how some is quantified.......I have no idea however i would agree that it should read NIL.

I would also like to state that personally I figure if someone has to cheat then they are only cheating themselves......... I mean if you win, sure you get all the plaudits of winning........but you still know yourself that its not real and as such worthless.


I would also like to agree with your last statement SA........Look for all I know those throwing the mud are probably spot on correct........but the fact is that I havent seen any proof beyond doubt and hence its a no debate.
 
Concrete proof or not. She's not around to defend herself, so the process is null and void.

I'd suggest restricting her future submission (if any) unless some espainin is done.
 
lets tie her up in a sack and throw her in the river. If she drowns she is innocent, but if she survives then she is a witch and must be burned at the stake! :X:X
 
I accuse you L2R!

I saw you consorting with the devil!

You wrote your name in his black book of souls and bid me do the same, but I hath refuseth him and all his dark misgivings. Repent L2R, for it is your soul that hangs in the balance!

Burn him!!!
 
pennywise said:
lets tie her up in a sack and throw her in the river. If she drowns she is innocent, but if she survives then she is a witch and must be burned at the stake! :X:X
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That sounds fair..........

Or we could just ask her..........remembering that only a true photoshopper will deny they are photoshopping.............lol........a little poetic licence from Life of Brian.
 
I think the proof is in the shadow itself. Shadows do not have hard, crisp edges. It does not happen. The only way that could be done is through some sort of manipulation. The strongest of all shadows has a soft edge, there is no way to avoid it.

The only reason I questioned whether it was allowed or not is because the rules say ''heavy manipulation'' - which i think needs clarified. Either photo manipulation is allowed or it is not - minus cropping and resizing of course, but the photos themselves should remain untouched, that's the only way to end the confusion IMHO.
 
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pennywise said:
I accuse you L2R!

I saw you consorting with the devil!

You wrote your name in his black book of souls and bid me do the same, but I hath refuseth him and all his dark misgivings. Repent L2R, for it is your soul that hangs in the balance!

Burn him!!!
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abahrahshagh! never!
 
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