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Bluelight Prohibits Free Speech!

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Asmodeus

Bluelighter
Joined
Jul 24, 2001
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Brighton, MI, 48114
I recently noticed that my topic about ketamine producers was closed. Apparently the moderator Phreex did this because he felt the topic did not benefit anyone but me.
My Original Post:
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I've got a potential deal coming up through mail order. First, is ttokyo labs a legitimate, or at least a reliable, K manufacturer? Is there ketamine pharmaceutical i.e. a supplier of veterinarian ketamine? Or is there ketamine strictly black market? Also, how safe do you feel mail order ketamine deals are? Do you have any tips to help me not get caught? Please help.
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To put it bluntly, this is nothing less than brazen display of shortsightedness and egotism. First of all, this topic would help anyone interested in ordering ketamine from a foreign manufacturer, and also anybody needing information about ttokyo brand ketamine, whether acquired through the mail, or a local dealer. However, what is most disquieting about the closing of my topic is the outright abuse of authority demonstrated by the moderator. By closing the thread, the moderator, in effect, prohibited Bluelight members from discussing it any further. His action indicates that as a moderator, he believes he has the authority to determine what we may and may not have conversations, or ask questions about.
If this is the type of power Bluelight allows its moderators to wield, then it can no longer be called a free discussion board about drugs; it is instead home to a regulated and censored discussion about drugs. We must understand that any removal or closing of posts and replies is censorship. For Bluelight to be a true center of the open and free exchange of information about drugs, then it must not permit any censorship in any form. That means that any topic can be posted without the threat of removal or editing. If Bluelight members do not approve of the topic, they may show this by not responding. In this scenario, any post would be virtually closed by the collective action of the Bluelight community, rather than the autocratic whim of a moderator.
Then, and only then, may Bluelight be considered a center of free speech. I ask fellow Bluelight members to join me in this protest, and help make Bluelight a better and freer place to talk about drugs. If we do not change the current precedent, then this board is no better than the propagandists in the DEA that demonize drugs in order to justify its billion dollar annual budget. Censorship is censorship, there is no way around it. Please, I beseech all of you to join me, and together we can crush this infamous thing.
[This message has been edited by Asmodeus (edited 04 August 2001).]
 
And then every moron posts stupid shit, and this message board gets filled up with retardedness. As a result, the more educated people get fed up and get off the board. If you want a "censor-free" board, use alt.drugs.discussion, or whatever the hell the usenet forum is. You'll be there for like five minutes, and then you'll come back.
Sometimes people close the wrong thing (and PhreeX wasn't wrong in this one -- hell, it sounded to me that you were naming a source -- against the rules), but not often. It's a sacrifice you make for having a sane board. Quit trying to raise revolution, you look the part of a fool.
 
Hey Asmo, have you noticed the Dancesafe "e-board" or the quality of Lycaeum's forums lately or even the new print reports being posted on Erowid?
A few years ago the internet was like the 7 Cities of Gold as far as drug information. Now it's become just as god damned fucking stupid as all the bullshit kids I had to deal with in high school that were too lazy to fucking type in a keyword, click and search through stuff to find what they're looking for. The morons need to go. Phreex is absolutely nothing short of perfectly right to shut down some of these threads.
And as for free fucking speech, come fucking on now. Unconditional free speech is a great idea in theory, but in practice it has horrible repercussions. You see when anyone can say what they want, that means idiots that don't know what they're talking about can say what they want. And unfortunantly people actually listen to morons, hence the state of America. Cutting out the bullshit information does nothing but make it easier for people to come to this board and find factual and useful information without having to wallow through bullshit. The end.
p.s. Phreex, you're one of the only people I've ever seen that actually knows what a real $20 bag should weigh. Props.
 
Dude, why is it that every one of your posts deserves a massive flame? Are you retarded, or just from Missouri? when somebody posts a source on bluelight, or asks for one, they get shut down. The reason is... when you OD and go to the hospital, you mommy anmd daddy will want to know how their prodigal son fell into this bad crowd. When they find that bluelight helped you find your K, or a research chemical, they will do their best to shut the boards down (which we don't want). So please, keep to yourself, and when you do post, keep it under 5 words.
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AIM: Ed_Smith_Atlas
 
First I would like to address atlas*lit_up's attack on me. I would really like to know which of my posts deserve a massive flame. Besides that, following your logic, i.e. "The reason is... when you OD and go to the hospital, you mommy anmd daddy will want to know how their prodigal son fell into this bad crowd. When they find that bluelight helped you find your K, or a research chemical, they will do their best to shut the boards down (which we don't want)," any and all questions related to drugs should be banned from Bluelight. Undoubtedly, any source that gives information to a drug user that overdoses could be considered partly responsible, especially by angry parents. So if the justification for banning questions is the preservation of Bluelight, then it follows that all drug related questions should be banned.
However, if the justification for banning certain questions is to preserve certain suppliers, that is another story. I understand that giving away information on suppliers could result in the DEA becoming aware of its operation. And yes, I did reveal, though not directly, that I was interested in a certain supplier. But before I posted it, I searched Bluelight for information on ttokyo labs, and found many discussions dealing with it, and none of them were band; so I took that as a sign that it was ok to ask questions about this supplier. In addition to this, you would have to be very naive to believe that the DEA is unaware of this company; I was not letting out anything new.
But all of this is beside the point. My question was not closed because of revealing a source, it was closed because the moderator thought it only benefited me. And it this kind of censorship that I am opposed to.
I completely agree with the rules about revealing sources, but I feel that if a source has already been compromised, it can now be discussed.
 
its the hosting that matters
(but thats not in america either
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Sorry kid, your "feelings" don't matter.
The laws say "no sources." This is to seperate bluelight from *any* possible implications of being used as a trafficking tool. If you're not smart enough to catch on, at least please be smart enough to read the rules. If you can't even do that, please go off with my best wishes and find another discussion that might be more suitable to your liking. Trying to cause revolution on a message board is childish, even verging on ridiculous.
*All* sources we use are known about, let's face it. "No sources" is just a way for Bluelight to cover their ass. If you want to discuss them, find someone willing to talk to you privately.
 
atlas lit up - i'm from Missouri. so you can shut the fuck up now and use a different state in your flaming.
and to the original poster of this pointless whining thread. you are sitting here bitching about free speech, blah blah blah (insert pointless crap here) and abuse of power. well, bluelight isnt a plubic board that is just open to all and where all rights are reserved. bluelight is owned by private parties (jase n skydancer, if you will) and thus belongs to them. when you register is pretty much that you give up all of your rights to whatever "rights" are allowed on the board. the board's owners in turn have given power to administrators and moderators to help keep their board running smoothly.
this is bluelight. you dont have any rights. there is no 'free speech'. you gave up any "constitutional rights" (of which only apply to americans... and this board is based in the netherlands, i believe) when you registered.
and dont take it so personally. there are other message boards out there and you have the right to go to any one of those instead of this one if you dont like it.
come on kids, lets keep the drama in social, mmm'kay?
Mellabopper
 
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WE DONT DISCUSS SOURCES ON BLUELIGHT! End of story.
Get off your pathetic excuse for a soapbox. You are not a victim... you broke a rule, and the thread got closed - end of story.
Maybe if you read/heeded the newbie FAQ you would have known better.
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-Jean Toomer
 
S-G .. sorry I re-opened it, but I had to get in this quick reply:
This thread should have been deleted, why? Simple, because WHEN YOU DON'T LIKE A MODERATORS ACTIONS YOU MAIL THAT MODERATOR - got it shitpan? Personally I would have left this open just to hear your silly little response, but I do not go over the head of my other moderators...
Now, you have VERY LIMITED RIGHTS HERE, in fact, you have NONE and I could have closed your thread because I simply didn't like you, actually, I don't like you - but lets look at why your thread was REALLY CLOSED, shall we?
First, I gotta cite the policy that we VOTED ON AS A DEMOCRACY and passed as OD Law - a post that is of benifit to NO ONE OTHER THAN YOU is grounds for being closed/deleted - of course in many instances we will let it fly, but lets check our your post...
In short:
You had just placed an order with a supplier for some ketamine, yes, you also named the source - that in itself SHOULD have ended the post, as now we have more people that know a ketamine source than previously... anyway, you wanted to know if this supplier had a good product, what their deal was, etc..
Guess what, I *MIGHT* have allowed it if you were a little more vauge about it, or if you didn't name the source, or if you worded it so as EVERYONE could benifit - for example:
"I am thinking about placing an order for some ketamine, I was wondering about the most common forms of how it comes, and what can be done to ensure this is as safe as possible?"
See, then others could have learned too... but instead you asked about a SPECIFIC SUPPLIER - the answers to your questions were of benifit to no one other then yourself....
Remember, Bluelight is NOT HERE to provide ANYONE with drug connections - you just said you were planning on breaking the law and wanted advice on how to do it better... in all honesty, had you left their name out, I would have let it stay - you're not the only person to use them! (of course the others I am speaking of have their proper DEA permits) ..
But you typed such a nice little rant, I must address your convoluted diatribe - actually I am high on heroin and have some time to kill....
"We must understand that any removal or closing of posts and replies is censorship."
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No you idiot! It's called maintaining the forum... if we let every braindead simp (such as yourself) post about whatever the hell they want, then this forum would start to look like, well, the Social Forum ...
We have a hige amount of traffic in here, so we have to keep the place clean - YOUR POST VIOLATED FORUM POLICY, so it was closed...
"For Bluelight to be a true center of the open and free exchange of information about drugs, then it must not permit any censorship in any form. That means that any topic can be posted without the threat of removal or editing."
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Again, I direct you to the Social Forum - that is a good example of what happends when you let people post anything... you were not censored, you're post was appropriately closed, and this upset you...
The rest of your little speach is cute... but everyone is laughing at you dude, shit, some of your QUOTES were used as CHANNEL TOPICS in #otherdrugs - we ALL laughed at you and most people thought I should have just deleted this crap - but I didn't ...
Sorry, we are about the FREE EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION ON DRUGS, we do not preach propaganda, nor do we blatently lie like the government - but you made a post that broke the rules, so it was killed...
If you disagree, go setup your own server and I will come post, you can NOT PROHIBIT ME because THAT WOULD BE CENSORSHIP!
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