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Stimulants bluelight loves opiates

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im3rdworld

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reading through different posts lately i found that meth is probably the most hated drug on bluelight even more than heroin (bluelight is pro opiates). all posts about meth end up in "oh dnt do meth" or "its gonna fuk u up".these statements are true in 90% of the cases, but how come nobody says things like that about heroin, which in my opinion is way more dangerous than meth or any other drug for that matter. my point being every 1 bashes speed but treats heroin like its so harmless and most of the posts bout heroin hardly mention its dangers or addictions or never end in "dnt do heroin it will fuck u up". Why is meth hated and criticised more than heroin when both pose equal dangers so shouldnt both be criticised equally.
 
Well, there's a few reason why I think a meth habbit is worse than a dope habbit. Fortunatly for me, there is no meth in the area I live in, but there is an awful lot of heroin and those oxy 30s (the good ones) that replaced the old oc's. Methamphetamine tends to destroy the body very quickly. Check out these photos of people before and after meth use. Whenever meth finds it way into a community, crime goes up too. Countless towns have degraded immensely because of meth. Heroin on the other hand, doesn't seem to cause that kind of rapid deterioration in it's users. In addition, heroin itself is NOT toxic to the body, like methamphetamine is; if a junky uses proper injection techniques and sterile gear every time, then virtually no damage is done to the body. Unfortunately many heroin addicts, and meth addicts for the matter, do not use these proper techniques and end up with complications.
 
Don't know if your on the same website as me,
but for every person telling you never to do meth theres a guy telling you not to do heroin.
The difference between the 2 is, if you did heroin everyday for the rest of your life there'd be few negative health effects (apart from withdrawals but lets assume you'll never run out here)

Whereas if you did meth everyday for the rest of your life you'd be a wreck within months..
 
Well, from a harm-reduction approach, stimulants are more directly damaging than opiates. The down side of opiate use results more from lifestyle and incorrect dosing procedures - not so much directly from the effects of the drug itself.
 
dhopeless, your "few reason" was 2.

Also, I think there is much more discussion about opiates and/or heroin than there is about methamphetamine. I think you will find there are many posts about different kinds of speed, if not methamphetamine specifically. Also, I would pay more attention to what the moderators and people with a bunch posts say. Instead of, the guy with 6 posts who raves about how awesome heroin is. The goal of Bluelight as a whole is harm reduction. This means, that IF someone is going to use drugs, they should have all the information to do it as safely as possible.

Also, according to ONDCP, the last year of available statistic (2009), 6.3% of rehab admissions were for meth and 14.6% were for heroin. So, heroin appears to be at least twice as prevalent in treatment centers. If meth was WAY more destructive than heroin, it seems as though meth's percentage would be higher. It also makes heroin seem more widely used, thus more discussion on this site about it.

Secondly, I disagree with most of what dhopeless said. I think you are drinking the government kool-aid about meth and it's effects.

Heroin can be every bit as destructive as meth. You said look at the photos of meth users. Poor hygiene and being constantly high will make anyone look like shit. Further, there are various cuts that are in heroin that surely aren't good for you, maybe not neurotoxic, but dangerous nonetheless. Meth is the flavor of the week for news organizations and the government to show how "bad" a drug is. Heroin just isn't in the news nearly as much as meth is.


I also think that multiple daily injections for any "junky" has a strong possibility of side effects/complications. I think it is irrational to assume that heroin addicts as a rule practice safer injection techniques and procedures than meth addicts.

OP, I think if you stick around longer and perhaps explore a little more you will see that your perception of Bluelight being "pro-opiate" is not entirely true.

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Jackie and Newbie posted while I was typing my post up.
 
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Also agree that your initial view is not correct yes opiates are my DOC but I do not ever suggest that its not a terrible habit granted I never use needles but none the less its still a terrible addiction and I tell people that anytime they are about to try opiates. You might also need to take into account that a dope head is likely spending most of their time using just hanging out at home not doin much which is more likely to be on bluelight where meth users are constantly out and about lookin for a fix. I am not saying all and I am not saying all dope heads spend their time at home but for the most I would say its pretty true so there is def more opiate users here than meth not to mention that It's probably cheaper bein a dope head than meth cause if you use enough you just fall asleep where a meth user is constantly awake bein more apt to use constantly and probably sell their computer lol jk but it could be true Haha
 
hard drugs are hard droogz.
meth is no worse than heroin, IMO
health wise yeah, but you cant say you're giving a fuck bout your health shootin dope, i dont think
I'm pro amphetamines, not a fan of opiates.
but amphet/methamphet beat the piss out of your body moreso than OC/dope.
but amphets are mad fun
 
Neuroadaptation to the effects of opiates is not really a benign thing... Hormonal changes in the body should not be taken lightly.

I don't see much drug use glorification honestly... The drugs that seem to be promoted the most are ones like buprenorphine, i.e. safer alternatives.
 
I think people don't say "Don't use h,it'll fuck you up" Is because alot of us are already fucked/physically addicted to opiates.If someone says "First time H use" then we will obviously tell them not to use it in the interest of harm reduction.

Like others have said too,Methamphetamine is neurotoxic,and opioids cause very little if any damage if used in a sterile clean matter.

I also believe a heroin addict (given he/she had their dug daily) would be more capable of keeping steady employment,a family and other normal things in life then some one who shoots or smokes speed every day.

I am in no way saying heroin users ae somehow better then amphetamine users,simply saying that in the long term,I would think speed would have more negative impacts on one's mental and physical health then heroin would.
 
This is really quite debatable. Sure, if we look at the pharmacodynamics of both drugs, we can certainly see a far greater degree of toxicity associated with meth. Besides being a proven neurotoxin, meth can have horrific effects on the cardiovascular system, most notably sustained high blood pressure and tachycardia.

But when people talk about how "harmful" a drug is, I believe many harmful traits of drugs are ignored, such as they're impact on personality, morality, finances, etc. Heroin, in my opinion, is far and away a more addictive substance, and I have seen people's lives reduced to shambles as they succumb to the addiction. Sure, meth as extremely addictive itself, but heroin addiction redefined what I called an "addiction." Theoretically, responsible use of heroin would be more or less benign, but come on people, how many people use heroin "responsibly?" I'm not saying there aren't people who can do it, but a good portion of people who use heroin regularly become dependent. Put it this way--I've met more people who dabble in meth but avoid addiction than those who dabble in heroin.

In my experience, most people who use heroin like to bang it, or at least end up IVing at some point. While a lot of people bang meth, I've met a lot more meth smokers than heroin smokers. Not saying that there aren't circles where that's the norm--around here we don't see much tar, which I understand is better suited for this purpose--but from what I've seen, people usually tend to shoot smack. And of course, IVing has a whole host of complications. Sure, if people were all completely sterile, rotated injection sites, had flawless technique and micron filtered it might not be a problem. But I've seen way too many addicts shoot with dirty needles and without a cotton to know this is not the norm.

Meth is also considered dangerous because of the potential for sudden death resulting from a stroke, cardiac arrest, etc. But I wonder if, statistically speaking, heroin users run a similar risk of death from overdose.

I will say one thing though: I've met a lot more old heroin addicts than old meth addicts. It seems like it is possible to user heroin for years and years and not suffer any noticeable long term effects, but meth, that shit'll put you in the ground.

Personally, I prefer heroin to meth any day. I'm just not going to delude myself or others into thinking there aren't significant risks associated with it.
 
dhopeless said:
Check out these photos of people before and after meth use.

And propoganda wins. Would have hoped to see more rationality on BL.

I used methamphetamine heavily for years and noone would ever suspect by looking at me. However, I know that in terms of toxicity, meth is much worse for you than opiates. On the other hand, deaths from methamphetamine directly are very low, especially in comparison with opiates.

People are often going to be biased towards their DOC though. Lots of skagheads who think meth users are the scum of the earth, and iceheads who'll look down their nose at junkies.
 
This topic doesn't really fit here in OD but since it seems some good discussion is evolving, we'll see where it goes for now.
 
No one seemed to mention anything about contaminants left behind in the product from the manufacturing process--including a lot from cladestine laboratories, or homemade methamphetamine. Most of the time the leftovers in heroin from manufacturing are more harmless than some of the toxic heavy metals and other possibilities of corrosive material left behind. Again, I'm not saying heroin is 'safe', but meth is known for this from a chemists point of view, not the users. I've never used heroin but have used methamphetamine and I'm leaning on heroins side here, so this is not a biased opinion.
 
so 1 on 1 which has a higher chance of killing an individual .keeping all things in mind such as OD, toxicity, neuro toxicity, infections, addiction etc
 
meth hands down in my opinion but idk its not around where i live but i would have to say meth over heroin because of the terrible damage it does to your body the difference in apppearance is incredible for a meth user and a heroin user can look the same all the time hold a steady job.

I dont feel like lookin up the death rate per year for each but any heroin overdose is usally in combination with other cns depressants and not just heroin alone.
 
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