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Bluelight Induced Phsycosis

Captain Ping raises a good point - just because you are well informed about safer drug use doesn't mean you can't choose to cross the line every now and then. If we really care about people making informed choices, then that includes respecting people's rights to take risks that we wouldn't. The key point is - is it INFORMED risk taking. So for example, if someone likes to pass out on GHB, and I know that they understand the risks involved, then I'm not going to tell them not to do it. And people make crazy foolish one-off choices every now and then too - fuck knows I have, and I've got the brain the size of a planet!! ;)

Overall, is BL a positive or negative influence? For me, hugely positive. There is a wealth of knowledge & opinion, & if you know how to pick through the chaff & recognise gold, then it's all good. It might be a little less friendly for the drug 'L' platers - but I guess that's what the FAQs are for. BL has its place & fulfils that role admirably. That's not to say it's the be all and end all of safer drug using - but why should it be.

As far as BLers who are prescribed anti-depressants - I wouldn't blame BL itself for that! It's indicative of a wider trend across industrialised societies. Its actually really hard to get good info on interactions between prescribed meds and street drugs, so the reports on BL about this are a blessing.
 
A very interesting theory.

A problem Doctors are facing today is apparently medical information is so widely available on the internet hypochondriacs are diagnosing themselves and then requesting treatment by doctors for conditions they don't have. Some people even show all the symptoms as they have totally convinced themselves body and mind that they are sick.

If someone was that way inclined I guess bluelight could affect them in the same way. Information is information and up to the individual how it is used. This could be a failing of the medical system if doctors are too willing to prescribe without adequately diagnosing a problem as well could it not?

Captain Ping raises an excellent point too...
 
yeahdude said:
He talks himself into believing he has bi-polar. Talks all his friends into believing it, his school, his whole family and a counsellor. does his head in for a good 6 months drives himself crazy, crying everynight and shit. Once out of the rut, he seeks legal advice and finds out that hes eligible to Sue Bluelight and has good chance of winning. ... I reckon bluelight has thinking to do.
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I reckon he'd stand a better chance of sueing Oprah or Dr Phil ... now that stuff seriously fucks with ya head 8)
 
Excellent thread as it didn't turn into a flaming contest. Captain Ping is spot on with his post.


Psy_taco in the media there has been some articles about over prescribed meds (namely antidepressents) especially in young kids.

Some kids, as young as 6 are getting prescribed maybe even younger!!


How the fuck does that work out ? Goes to show how fucked up Australia's Mental Care is...
 
Captain Ping said:
I think one of the problems with BL is the divide between less informed, heavier drug users and the more educated, but moderate users who seem to see themselves as the elite substance conesseiurs, the 'smart' users doing drugs for the 'right' reasons and under the 'right' circumstances.

If someone tells you they do 35 pills every weekend, Friday through Sunday, and you respond by dismissing them as an idiot and as someone who's doing drugs the bad way (usually worded with as much condescension as possible), you're pretty much going to alienate them. ... This is harm minimisation, not Club Bluelight, where you stand well behind the velvet rope until you learn to mimick everyone else's stadards.
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I don't exactly understand. I have seen posters snap from time to time at people who post along the lines of "No, I took 7 pills last night, and I feel fine, its stupid when people say don't take lots of pills", and I've probably been less than tactful to people with that kind of attitude, there is a good reason why people do get angry at those kind of beliefs. They are dangerous. If someone "dismisses" them, it's not for some arbitrary moral reason, it because they are engaging in relatively pointless dangerous behaviour, and even worse, encouraging others to do the same.... and I don't think you'll find many posts telling someone that they are an "idiot" for taking lots of pills at once (at least not in ED).

If you complaint is about people not being polite, then I suppose thats fair enough, but sometimes people are blunt. If you're problem is with people warning people who are using drugs dangerously, then as I say, I don't understand.
 
I agree with you Blizor, and I know I didn't really explain myself real well. A specific thread comes to mind, I don't know how to link to it but its called 'Why all the exaggerations?' in Ecstacy Discussions.

A quick read-through and its all very easy to agree with, but I think there's also a great deal of arrogance and judgement in there that unfortunately polarises the notably unhelpful attitudes of many Bluelighters. The thread, in my view, is a harm minimisation pissing contest which seems to me mostly concerned with putting down a specific group of people because another more entrenched group doesn't agree with what they do. I don't think this thread expresses anger at those who abuse drugs so much as it typifies the smugness of many Bluelighters and, worse, a lack of care or respect for those outside of their category of user.

I guess if it gets people to stop abusing drugs then its acceptable. And if EVERYONE stops using drugs at all, I guess its acceptable for the cops to invade our privacy and for the media to print lies. I know I'm riding a pretty high horse here, but threads like the aforementioned kind of piss me off. Its the ugly side of BL.
 
Yeah... yes... I did see you point, I just kinda had the feeling you were talking about ecstasy Discussion, and I felt I had to defend it.

But yeah, I do totally get your point. I used to say to people "Don't roll 2 days in a row, you won't feel it as much" knowing full that that people can feel it fine, and sometimes feel it even more, but I think the habit of taking Ecstasy on consecutive days is a recipe for trouble.

The problem is, the safest way to use drugs, is to flush them down the toilet, you know? What are you supposed to say to the guy who is asking the question "can I mix pharmaceutical XYZ with MDMA?" There's no research on the subject, you can only make educated geusses, and it'll probably be fine, but the guy might also die. I mean even if it is a dangerous combo (DXM and MDMA, or St Johns Wort), you know combos that should really kill people, people take it all the time and nothing happens.

Sometimes it's just easy to say "don't take anything, drugs are bad"... and there is way worse advise...

*sigh*, I think this is just one of the many wake up calls I recieved tonight...
 
You can't blame a discussion forum such as this for pyshcosis... the interpratation of the information at hand and how it is perceived by the individual is what matters... but the information is there too be taken in, not judged
 
I just think some people in this forum interpret many things in the wrong way which sometimes can lead to misunderstanding.
 
I don`t see anything wrong about saying "don`t take anything drugs are bad" sometimes that point need to be spread across to users as for alot of ppl it takes a big lesson for them to realise that and in many occassaions its too late. Since people talk about the highs then we must sometimes talk about the lows even if it doesn`t cool
 
^ Definitely, talk about the lows - even mention them first if you want, but "Don't take anything, drugs are BAD!" is exactly what the government (by extension the Police force) and society (which to people who haven't had drugs probably means their parents) have been saying for years. That's what we were ALL told when we were young, to scare us away from taking drugs. It's what we're told as adults, and it's demonstrated to us that there are huge legal and social penalties for getting caught doing it.

But does it work? No. Unfortunately, caring and well-meaning as it may be, it just comes off as patronising, and people don't listen anymore. It just keeps it underground and makes people too paranoid to ask for information about what the risks are really, and how to minimise them.

Perhaps that backs up the earlier point in this thread, too... even if the good info is given in a patronising way, it can turn people off. There's a lot to be said for how a message is delivered.

BigTrancer :)
 
psy_taco said:
I doubt that just the belief that someone may have depression is not enough to trick all of these trained professionals into prescribed anti-depressents so freely
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I wish it were s but i personally was perscribed antidepressants after only one sort consulation wih one doctor, although I was given the mildest dosage available. Looking back on it I don't believe I needed them and I ended up not taking them because I believed they weren't doing anything. What scares me now though is that I recall the doctor giving me no information about them at all. He never mentioned that there were some things that were extremely dangerous to mix with them (not necessarily illicit substances).

Antidepressants were also in the news recently, linked to suicide in teenagers with extreme depression. The main argument in those articles was that too many doctors were perscription happy with antidepressants and it cost a few Australian teenagers their lives. The end result of this media attention was the bringing in of black box warnings on the information leaflet of all antidepressants.

I'm sure every doctor is not like that but certainly enough are.

Sorry if this is a little OT

Nice Tits
 
you ozzies are on the ball. i try to limit my time on BL. theres more to life. but sometimes i get caught up. and i try to help others with my experience and also learn from others who are wiser and more knowelegdable. keep rockin in oz.
 
Bluelight simply arms the user with information enabling them to make a more informed decision regarding drug use. This is the key I think. An informed choice is better than an uninformed one, no?
 
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