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Bluelight and the Aussie Internet Filter – Will it affect us?

we are talking about ISP filtering not Net Nanny!

acidprime - What risks? majority of the common techniques lack security & anonymity, questions over trustworthiness in using offshore contact, honeypot traps, risk of not understanding technology used and in turn making yourself more vulnerable, etc etc etc, blah blah blah

Akhenaten - spot on...how can one claim it will be easy when the technology to be used is not confirmed.

it's all well and good to google and get the theory, but putting it into practice is what seperates the men from the boys ;)
 
filenet: lack anonimity and security. you think just using your internet doesn't lack them already? I dare say you logged onto bluelight without using ssl and sent your login information in clear text.

Doesn't matter what system, its going to be bypassable by everyone who wants to bypass it fairly quickly, even if you don't know how, someone you know will show you how.

There will be no dynamic packet inspection. DPI was trialed back in 2006? in the first filtering trial conducted by the Liberals.

The report is available (after being supressed by conroy for some time) and shows 4 different products. The best DPI product that had the least amount of over or underblocks slowed speeds upto 80%. It is not viable, at all, to use this technology currently in a large scale ISP.

P2P will not be blocked. P2P is a pretty wide term and there is alot of protocols to cover.

There will be no DNS poisoning, DNS poisoning may have worked back in 1995, but not now due to the way DNS now works.

Filtering in australia will be based on a black list controlled by the ACMA (documents available from the government - use google) containing Restricted Content. Restricted content contains both legal and illegal content. The trial which has been completed and everyone that is now waiting for results from ENEX test lab is based on the ACMA Blacklist only.

Content can only be made illegal by the courts. Also, because of all this new content rating, there is flaws comming out of the woodwork in the content system. So expect to see a review of content rating in the near future.
 
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acidprime said:
There will be no dynamic packet inspection. DPI was trialed back in 2006? in the first filtering trial conducted by the Liberals.

The report is available (after being supressed by conroy for some time) and shows 4 different products. The best DPI product that had the least amount of over or underblocks slowed speeds upto 80%. It is not viable, at all, to use this technology currently in a large scale ISP.
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Technology is vastly superior in 2009. The product I indicated is designed to filter such protocols, and does so with minimal to no loss in speed. And the latest report according to Conroy is rather positive about the impact to speed, being near negligible. However, all is merely hearsay until the report is released for public scrutiny.

acidprime said:
P2P will not be blocked. P2P is a pretty wide term and there is alot of protocols to cover.
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Internet filtering plan may extend to peer-to-peer traffic, says Stephen Conroy

I absolutely agree that the task of attempting to filter P2P is really fruitless especially with encrypted peering technologies on the horizon. However He has both the intent and the technology available to him to filter un-encrypted traffic. Again we really won't know until he actually presents a coherent policy and that really is the problem. There isn't a defined policy.

acidprime said:
There will be no DNS poisoning, DNS poisoning may have worked back in 1995, but not now due to the way DNS now works.
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Presently v. true and it is outside the remit of simple filtering to perform such tasks. At the very least the DNS cache servers are held by the ISP and not the government. But always bear in mind that when you hand your DNS queries over to another system, you are at the mercy of that system. and there are many cahce's that are live that are not exactly friendly.

acidprime said:
Content can only be made illegal by the courts. Also, because of all this new content rating, there is flaws comming out of the woodwork in the content system. So expect to see a review of content rating in the near future.
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The interesting thing about Australia is its lack of an R18 classification especially for games. Conroy also has expressed his intention to use the filter to shutdown not just porn sites, illegal content, but also MMO games that do not meet the current classification system's restrictions. And while content can only be made illegal by the courts, as we both know only too well, some of the content definitions used are so wide that whatever voodoo logic they follow at the ACMA ultimately determines what will be blocked by the filter. I can only hope that a review does take place anyway; I really don't want to play the censored version of left 4 dead 2....

Like I said in an earlier post hopefully things will be come a little clearer in the next few weeks when the new report is released. Everything really is just guesswork and until then you can't rule in or rule out what is likely too fall under the re-mit of the filter and like it or not your ability to by-pass will be determined by the weaknesses in whatever product is selected by your ISP. As the product selection is not mandated by the government.
 
acidprime said:
filenet: lack anonimity and security. you think just using your internet doesn't lack them already? I dare say you logged onto bluelight without using ssl and sent your login information in clear text.
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was actually referring to the added lack of security & anonimity by using a circumvention box hosted by an offshore provider - ya can't hide from everyone!
 
Time for another update on the 'Great Barrier Grief' (AKA Australian Internet Filter). The trial report has been delivered to the minister’s office, but they are dragging their feet over its release. It was expected to be released after a few days, but it's taking a fair bit longer.

The latest news is the ever changing tune of the federal opposition who have announced:-

“We’ve said we’ll give Senator Conroy the benefit of the doubt in relation to his trials and our attitude will be influenced by the outcome of his trials.” Minchin said in October. “But we’re happy, given that he’s spending millions of dollars of taxpayers money on trials, to see what these trials indicate before making a final judgement.”
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While I guess that no news is good news, I'd be happier if the information was released sooner rather than later, more importantly soon enough to influence the process.

For further info have a look here Wait continues for filter report.
 
Akhenaten said:
Time for another update on the 'Great Barrier Grief' (AKA Australian Internet Filter). The trial report has been delivered to the minister’s office, but they are dragging their feet over its release. It was expected to be released after a few days, but it's taking a fair bit longer.

The latest news is the ever changing tune of the federal opposition who have announced:-



While I guess that no news is good news, I'd be happier if the information was released sooner rather than later, more importantly soon enough to influence the process.

For further info have a look here Wait continues for filter report.
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Typical. Thanks for the update Akhenaten.
 
There has been some recent activity on the Filter front over the past week.

First and foremost, is that the Trial report itself is still in the hands of the government but we can expect a censored version of the report to be released by Senator Conroy’s office “In due course.”
This is not exactly an entirely un-expected move but will certainly stifle informed debate. We can only be hopeful that an uncensored version of the report will be leaked, but will probably be subject to the whims of the ACMA, who imposed a AU$10,000 penalty on anyone in Australia found to be in possession of the original blacklist. Of course this did nothing but further ensure that the list became very public knowledge.

ZDNet - Conroy Promises report in due course

Recently the Australian Christian Lobby met with Senator Conroy and is apparently rather pleased with what Conroy had to offer on the filter in person to them. The ACL is a strong supporter of the filter implementation and has been very strongly lobbying the government for action on this...

IT News Article - ACL Bouyant on Filtering
 
Akhenaten said:
First and foremost, is that the Trial report itself is still in the hands of the government but we can expect a censored version of the report to be released by Senator Conroy’s office “In due course.”
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In due course could be quite a while given they admitted to having the report back in mid October. Just how long does it take them to censor one report? It must be pretty damning of the scheme hey?
 
Mandatory Internet Filtering Introduced mid 2011.

Hello all,

Well the innevitable appears to be in full motion. The government has released a discussion paper that does not focus on filtering itself, but rather the mechanism by which things are added to the list of blocked content.

The discussion paper can be viewed at this link.

http://www.dbcde.gov.au/consultation_and_submissions

Some timeframe information can be viewed here.

ZdNet.com.au Mandatory filtering arriving in 2011.

Now we know whats going to happen; we need a game plan for what can be done when it is fully implemented. I will post more after I have reviewed the discussion paper.
 
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