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Bluelight and the Aussie Internet Filter – Will it affect us?

Nerds will riot in the streets before this happens. I'll be the one throwing the molotov's XD

But seriosusly, If this does go through, say goodbye to the IT industry in Australia (like it isn't already dead enough). Surely the government can't be stupid enough to let this go through. If they are, I truly fear for the future of our children.
 
^ Oh they are stupid enough. As far as they're concerned it is for the sake of the children....

"As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation."
-- Adolf Hitler
 
The filter will be a waste of time once the filter is live most people with a decent knowledge of computers will get around it in a matter of hours and from there teaching all their friends & family on how to bypass the filter.

The main issue is our internet connections will most likely be slower which is a fucking joke, we pay some of the highest prices in the world for such shitty slow connections.

It makes me mad that in this day and age we have such backwards people running the world, what ever happen to freedom? What next the banning of books the government does not agree with?
 
Yeah, the proposed filter wouldn't be something you could easily get out of. It would be a hardware filter, so short of an extremely complicated (and expensive) off shore system to circumvent it your only other option would be Wireless internet that does not have the same restrictions applied to it.

And I can't see any companies willing to setup such a wireless network..
 
This won't happen. An internet filter? Yeah I see the importance of such a system at schools, certain workplaces (they do this already, and have for a while) but a filter on the internet for general public? C'mon.

Laws still exist and cannot be broken without consequence (ever heard of personal responsibility?). But to deprive the Australian population of uncensored information, knowledge, facts, theories, opinions, art, articles, news reports, drug information etc etc etc is absolutely rediculous.

The ends DO NOT justify the means.
 
Slightly off-topic but none-the-less interesting.. The ACMA (The regulator that decides what we can and can't see and the organisation that will run the ISP blacklist) is currently seeking the ability to censor applications for the Apple iPhone and other mobile phones.

For further information on this please click here.

The ACMA is trying to make a landgrab.
 
^ nice script for a hollywood flick but rest assured that a few pissed off IRC nerds & old school DoS attacks won't be bringing down the net. (redundance, resillience, load balancing...all wonderful attributes of the net)

Anyone with some investment cash should be looking into setting up off-shore bi-directional satellite broadband covergage across Asia Pacific. This way all traffic avoids any filtering under australian law by local ISPs. Europe have a great bi-directional network with d/l speeds of up to 3.6Mbps...no reason why we cant have one here.

latency?
 
Cmon it will end up being optional again just like the last two times they were going to implement this.

It will end up being used though for maybe troublesome users. Maybe anyone that visits those sites would get flagged and see how much they visit similar "blocked" sites?
 
Well, its still steaming ahead.

The greens were on the anti-censorship side somewhat, but they just picked up Clive Hamilton for their party.

The Australian Christian Lobby used Clives ridiculous report paper from 2003 to help force their lobby for Censorship.

Our government is terrible, its filled to the brim with christian old boys.

All is not lost, they are only talking upto 10,000 sites to be restricted at this point in time (out of billions available), plus it is going to be a breeze to bypass, still no reason to fight it. Christian overlords are destroying us lol :(
 
theres no such word as a billion sites. the highest number is around 6000. (yrs)
the billion search results are to test your faith.
 
Connect to a site that isn't blocked which then connects to the site that is blocked. ISP see's you connect to www.christiansarefun.com/index.php and they say "that's fine" when there's really a proxy on that website.

TOR networks.
VPN's
People mirroring sites.

yeah sure there are plenty of methods but claiming it to be a breeze is stretching the truth a little. All methods come with a level of risk that one must accept and without a high degree of technical knowledge you may get more then bargained for
 
Unless they implement a white list,

ie. banning access to every website except approved ones

then we shouldn't have a problem.

I will just create a passworded proxy site hosted in Japan, all they are doing is seeing me connect to my personal website. If they somehow gain access to it, they're breaking privacy laws and i'll delete the logs of the websites I've visited anyway.
 
yeah sure there are plenty of methods but claiming it to be a breeze is stretching the truth a little. All methods come with a level of risk that one must accept and without a high degree of technical knowledge you may get more then bargained for

It is a breeze, how can you deny it?

I've been avoiding filters since i was in high school 16 years ago, I am sure there are plenty of kids these days that know how to do it as well as metric shit tons of casual net users, and if they don't it would only take a day of reading to understand ways of doing it. There is even https (encrypted) websites you can use that require only a change in internet explorer to work.

What risk? There would be risk if you were one of these numptys that are trying to implement this plan because they have little idea of the internet.
Anyone with an ounce of commonsense would NOT send sensitive information over open/public proxy's. But i guess commonsense is lacking in Australia, since we have this policy comming in place 8)

And if your still worried, look at china, people circumvent the most technical Internet Filter on the planet daily and with almost no repercussion from their government. Australias internet filter is like a one wheeled skate board compared to china's.
 
The ease with which a system can be by-passed, will be principally determined by the system selected by the ISP itself. What may be easy in some cases may not apply to others.

Among the products tested was the Marshal M8e6 Deep Packet Inspection content filter, this baby is an exceptional product that can not only perform simple URL re-direction, P2P Contennt filtering, but interrupt your connection to various other sites and services based upon the content of the information buried in the packet stream. And believe me, this product was tested.

With the ACS recommending a multi-faceted approach things could get reasonably difficult.

DNS Re-direction

One example of a simple product might be one that employs re-direction. the product sees your DNS request to access a site, it compares that site to it's blacklist and if its present re-directs you to a 'Whose being a naughty boy then' page.

By-Passing this may simply be a case of changing your DNS server in your connection settings to one of the numerous public OpenDNS services (be careful though this may open you up to serious risk). The major risk behind this is that you are trusting someone external to your ISP to handle your DNS requests. Some DNS servers may be poisoned or have records that have been tampered with, you may think you're logging on to your banks website but in fact its a site thats going to log your password and username. This stuff does happen.

But if you combine DNS re-direction with Deep Packet Inspection, the product can simply re-direct your request if your TCP/IP stream contains any reference to a blocked site particularly in the packet header.

By-passing Deep Packet Inspection

Its possible by encrypting your traffic, and by using services such as TOR, however TOR can also be blocked from operation. TOR is also run by volunteers and can be very slow.

SSL Proxy-ing

This is a novel concept where you access an SSL secured site through what is effectively a third party device. Your encrypted session is established with the third party device, which then in turn establishes a connection to the secure website. everything appears to be functioning normally, but the device in the middle can see all your traffic plain as day and filter it.

The trick would be for the proxy to be a CA. The user would grab a CA client certificate from the proxy (using a magic URL) and install it in their browser as a trusted CA. The proxy could then generate synthetic certificates on the fly for SSL sites that the browser would trust. This would allow real SSL proxying: the browser would talk via SSL to the proxy using certificates generated by the proxy, and the proxy would talk via SSL to the requested sites using (and verifying) their own certificates.

To my mind the most likely options for by-pass involve the utilisation of VPN connections to resources outside Australia, but these connections can also very simply be IP blocked, especially in circumstances where no good legal reason can be found/argued for permitting access to the off-shore resource.

As I said Ease is relative, it is depnedant entirely upon the type of product deployed at the ISP.
 
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